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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#501 » by BearlyBallin » Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:35 pm

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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#502 » by Ruzious » Thu Dec 26, 2019 2:40 pm

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payitforward wrote:That's a little unfair, Zards.

For one thing, you're not closing the book on a 20-year old kid like Zhaire Smith, are you? For another, he is posting a .604 TS%. Finally, since he was injured all last year, in effect this is his rookie season, making the comparison a bit unequal.

In any case... you weren't calling for us to pick Tony Brown, Jr.!! :)

"Some of us" may have wanted Smith; "some of us" may have wanted to trade down, "some of us" might even have picked Mitchell Robinson w/o trading down. But, none of us -- no one I can remember -- ever suggested that we pick Troy Brown Jr.

Not even once. Not a single hint.

Hence, if picking Troy was the optimal move (which maybe it was), then we were all wrong, every one of us. You, me, nate, Nat, & everyone else.


Me unfair? On Christmas Day. Bah humbug. I just posted what a reporter who covers the G League wrote. So don’t shoot the messenger. Heck, I’m not even the messenger.

But the story does seem to make clear that it takes more than being a “great athlete”--which is what some here liked about Smith--to make it in the NBA.

Prior to that 2018 draft, I was touting Jalen Brunson as a surefire NBA player, who I thought would be drafted late first round or early second round. (He was the 33rd pick.). I loved Jalen’s sneaky good game with the ball in his hands, his poise and his high bball IQ. I was told by some here that Brunson wouldn’t make it in the NBA because he wasn’t a “great athlete” and didn’t have a “quick first step.” Well, he’s become a pretty good backup PG for the Mavs.

Yes, it's true that none of us was screaming for the Zards to draft Troy Brown Jr. I’ll be the first to admit that I’d never even heard of him. But it was apparent from watching film of him in college that, while not a great athlete, Troy had a very nice handle, was a good passer and had a high bball IQ.

In fact, Troy was not unlike Brunson in many respects.

The good news is that, regardless of what “some of us” wanted the Zards to do with their first pick in 2018, they drafted a young man who appears to be on his way to being a very good NBA player. We can all be thrilled about that.

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Good call on Brunson's - he's gonna be a starter in the NBA. I'll admit to rating him 5th on the Villanova team that had Hart, DDV, Bridges, and Spellman/Paschall - mainly because I bought into internet scouting reports that were full of bologna - he is an explosive athlete. I wanted all of those Nova players. Brunson was a great college player who was as physically tough as any PG I've seen since... Andre Miller, and he's got a better 3 point shot.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#503 » by Meliorus » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:18 pm

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Under normal conditions, Troy Brown would start and coexist with Beal but Beal’s usage is too high. It’s the only way for him to play a deserved 36 minutes+.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#504 » by DCZards » Thu Dec 26, 2019 6:07 pm

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Under normal conditions, Troy Brown would start and coexist with Beal but Beal’s usage is too high. It’s the only way for him to play a deserved 36 minutes+.


But Troy is coexisting with Beal. The fact that he's not a starter doesn't change the fact that Brown is sharing the court with Beal most of the 30 or so minutes he's averaged in recent games.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#505 » by dckingsfan » Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:48 am

Either way - we could be watching him break out?
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#506 » by payitforward » Fri Dec 27, 2019 3:25 pm

DCZards wrote:
payitforward wrote:... you weren't calling for us to pick Tony Brown, Jr.!! :)

...Hence, if picking Troy was the optimal move (which maybe it was), then we were all wrong, every one of us. You, me, nate, Nat, & everyone else.

...Prior to that 2018 draft, I was touting Jalen Brunson ...I’d never even heard of (Troy Brown, Jr.). But ...In fact, Troy was not unlike Brunson in many respects....

Zards spinning it with the best of 'em!!! :)

You touted Brunson. Brown is something like Brunson. So... it's sorta like you liked Brown! :)
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#507 » by dckingsfan » Fri Dec 27, 2019 5:50 pm

I bitched previously that he was underplayed last season. I have also bitched that he didn't get any time at PG (and not enough time at guard). But it doesn't seem to have hurt him.

He is rebounding at a PF level (and he is getting 15% of his time at PF). Starting to shoot 3s at a nice clip. And being a pest (in a good way) on D.

I do worry that he is getting the message that he isn't a starting caliber SF but rather a bench player - and that may affect how he looks at resigning with the Wizards (but I have nothing to support that theory).
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#508 » by nate33 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:34 pm

Over the last 17 games, Troy Brown is averaging
14.4 points
7.7 boards
2.4 assists
1.5 steals
1.5 turnovers
.500 2P%
.360 3P% on 2.9 attempts
.776 FT% on 3.4 attempts
31.1 minutes

Per 36, that's
16.7 points, 8.9 boards, 2.8 assists and 1.7 steals on a TS% of .553.

Much of our recent winning has been on the backs of underrated veterans like Ish and Mahinmi, and on older journeymen with expiring contracts having career years (McRae, Payton). That's nice and all, but it's not a foundation for a future. Troy Brown is the the single most promising storyline for the future of the franchise. He's very young and on a trajectory to be a quality starter for a long long time.

Our other youngsters have shown flashes, but none of them have yet demonstrated they are a pretty sure bet to be a quality starter on a winning team. Brown has.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#509 » by DCZards » Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:42 pm

Yes, it's been VERY encouraging to see how Troy has played in the last 2-3 weeks, especially on the offensive end. He missed training camp, preseason and the first few games, which is probably part of the reason for his slow start this season. But Troy's come on strong lately. I'm particularly impressed by his improved shooting, including from the 3 pt line. What I like most though is Troy's ability to attack the rim off the dribble and score--often thru contact--on layups & floaters. Hopefully, he'll soon start getting some of the fouls that refs have been overlooking.

Of course, we already knew he was a great rebounder for a SF.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#510 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:54 pm

DCZards wrote:Yes, it's been VERY encouraging to see how Troy has played in the last 2-3 weeks, especially on the offensive end. He missed training camp, preseason and the first few games, which is probably part of the reason for his slow start this season. But's Troy's come on strong lately. I'm particularly impressed by his improved shooting, including from the 3 pt line. What I like most though is Troy's ability to attack the rim off the dribble and score on layups & floaters. Hopefully, he'll soon start getting some of the fouls that refs have been overlooking.

Of course, we already knew he was a great rebounder for a SF.

I thought he was going to be a good rebounder - but I didn't think he would cross into the DRB% of 20+. For his age group, you have Doncic, Wendell Carter (C) and Darius Bazley (PF) rebounding at the same rate (actually less if you look at January where he is at 24%+ :o).

Basically he is rebounding at the same rate as Bryant and Wagner. That can't be understated for next year.

And now he is rounding into a solid offensive player - nice.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#511 » by payitforward » Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:44 pm

nate33 wrote:Over the last 17 games, Troy Brown is averaging
14.4 points
7.7 boards
2.4 assists
1.5 steals
1.5 turnovers
.500 2P%
.360 3P% on 2.9 attempts
.776 FT% on 3.4 attempts
31.1 minutes

Per 36, that's
16.7 points, 8.9 boards, 2.8 assists and 1.7 steals on a TS% of .553.

Much of our recent winning has been on the backs of underrated veterans like Ish and Mahinmi, and on older journeymen with expiring contracts having career years (McRae, Payton). That's nice and all, but it's not a foundation for a future. Troy Brown is the the single most promising storyline for the future of the franchise. He's very young and on a trajectory to be a quality starter for a long long time.

Our other youngsters have shown flashes, but none of them have yet demonstrated they are a pretty sure bet to be a quality starter on a winning team. Brown has.

Not to mention that there are "youngsters" & then there's 20 years old in his 2d year! :) Kid's just terrific.

Btw, I have to give Thomas Bryant a little more praise than you do in this post -- he's shown more than "flashes." He had an outstanding season last year, by any measure, & it was 1500 minutes.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#512 » by nate33 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:48 pm

payitforward wrote:
nate33 wrote:Over the last 17 games, Troy Brown is averaging
14.4 points
7.7 boards
2.4 assists
1.5 steals
1.5 turnovers
.500 2P%
.360 3P% on 2.9 attempts
.776 FT% on 3.4 attempts
31.1 minutes

Per 36, that's
16.7 points, 8.9 boards, 2.8 assists and 1.7 steals on a TS% of .553.

Much of our recent winning has been on the backs of underrated veterans like Ish and Mahinmi, and on older journeymen with expiring contracts having career years (McRae, Payton). That's nice and all, but it's not a foundation for a future. Troy Brown is the the single most promising storyline for the future of the franchise. He's very young and on a trajectory to be a quality starter for a long long time.

Our other youngsters have shown flashes, but none of them have yet demonstrated they are a pretty sure bet to be a quality starter on a winning team. Brown has.

Not to mention that there are "youngsters" & then there's 20 years old in his 2d year! :) Kid's just terrific.

Btw, I have to give Thomas Bryant a little more praise than you do in this post -- he's shown more than "flashes." He had an outstanding season last year, by any measure, & it was 1500 minutes.

I haven't given up hope on Bryant or anything. He is still very young. But I'm not convinced he's a sure bet to be a quality starter on a winning team as I am with Troy Brown. Bryant's numbers are fine, but winning centers simply have to protect the rim. Bryant has not shown that ability yet.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#513 » by Illmatic12 » Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:49 pm

Gotta give him a lot of credit, this recent great stretch feels like an important step in Troy’s career.

He was drafted at 19 so that comes with some leeway but it was starting to feel like he had hit a wall .. most of the other prospects in that draft year had at least shown signs of confident play.

This is TBJs moment of realizing he can be a great player in this league. Granted I’m not expecting he will continue at this torrid pace - benefiting from some hot shooting plus his usage will be lower when the team is healthy. But he’s a bonafide playmaker at 6’7, solid team defender and his out-of-position rebounding is *legit* absurd . To put it in perspective, Brown’s ORB% and DRB% are both higher than Kawhi Leonard’s career averages!

Hopefully Troy continues to build off of this and doesn’t stop when Brad is back .
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#514 » by dckingsfan » Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:41 pm

January
TS% .589
3P% .417

DRB% 22.8%
STL% 4.7%
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#515 » by nate33 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:48 pm

dckingsfan wrote:January
TS% .589
3P% .417

DRB% 22.8%
STL% 4.7%


Per 36 numbers:
17.1 points
9.7 boards :o
1.9 assists
1.8 steals
3.9 FTA's
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#516 » by nate33 » Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:03 pm

What is Troy Brown's ceiling? Could he just keep getting better, year by year, until he becomes a Jimmy Butler type of player? He has a similar stature and style of play, only Brown is a bit longer (4 inches in standing reach) while Butler is more explosive (6 inches in standing vertical). Both are strong, stout players, good ball handlers, and have a pretty good midrange game. Neither were good shooters from long distance but got better with lots of work.

Butler always had a knack for using his strength to draw fouls. Brown will need to learn that trick.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#517 » by gambitx777 » Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:37 am

I think he's going to be a smaller Caron Butler 2.0 plus.

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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#518 » by smoothSeph » Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:38 pm

Evan Turner with a jumpshot would be a solid player
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#519 » by payitforward » Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:47 pm

nate33 wrote:What is Troy Brown's ceiling? Could he just keep getting better, year by year, until he becomes a Jimmy Butler type of player? He has a similar stature and style of play, only Brown is a bit longer (4 inches in standing reach) while Butler is more explosive (6 inches in standing vertical). Both are strong, stout players, good ball handlers, and have a pretty good midrange game. Neither were good shooters from long distance but got better with lots of work.

Butler always had a knack for using his strength to draw fouls. Brown will need to learn that trick.

Jimmy Butler is a unicorn. & it's his story, his past, that have made him the indomitable figure he is. If you aren't familiar with his background, it's worth it to read about it.

For that reason, I can't compare Troy to him. Still, given where he is as a 20 year old, I definitely think he'll keep getting better for several years & that he has the potential to wind up being a star. No guarantees come with my approbation, alas! But... I feel good about his future!
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#520 » by nate33 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:39 pm

Ever since Troy Brown broke out during the Clippers game on December 8th, he has played like a legit starting caliber player. Over his last 26 games, he has averaged in 29.8 minutes a game:

13.3 points
6.5 rebounds
2.3 assists
1.3 steals
1.2 turnovers
.571 TS%
.405 3P% :o

Per 36, that's:

16.0 points
7.8 rebounds
2.8 assists
1.6 steals
1.4 turnovers

Not bad for a guy that has to wait another 6 months before he can order a beer. The sample size is becoming meaningful. It looks like he's put in the work on that three ball to force defenses to guard him.

His defense is still a bit shaky. The team depends on him to guard the opposition's best scorer so their confidence in him is a good sign. But the actual results haven't been very good from what I've seen. But he's young still.

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