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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#561 » by DCZards » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:11 pm

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gambitx777 wrote:Brown suffers from a case of the Otto Porters. Where he just needs to get agressive and believe in his abilities !

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When he got subbed out last game they showed him on the bench and he looked disappointed

He's been looking that way a lot lately. I get the feeling there's a problem. Hopefully, there's communication between him and Brooks.

I don't see it. I sit on the lower level directly across from the Zards bench and I rarely see Brown looking anything but upbeat, and laughing and joking with teammates when he's on the bench. (I chose season ticket seats across from the Zards bench because I like to watch the interaction between players and players...and players and coaches.)

Not saying Troy isn't disappointed about playing time...but I think you guys are reading more into it than is there.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#562 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:34 pm

DCZards wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
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When he got subbed out last game they showed him on the bench and he looked disappointed

He's been looking that way a lot lately. I get the feeling there's a problem. Hopefully, there's communication between him and Brooks.

I don't see it. I sit on the lower level directly across from the Zards bench and I rarely see Brown looking anything but upbeat, and laughing and joking with teammates when he's on the bench. (I chose season ticket seats across from the Zards bench because I like to watch the interaction between players and players...and players and coaches.)

Not saying Troy isn't disappointed about playing time...but I think you guys are reading more into it than is there.



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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#563 » by payitforward » Fri Feb 28, 2020 2:44 am

Troy is 20; he's on a pace to play 2000 minutes this NBA season. I sure hope he's upbeat!! :)
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#564 » by Jimmy Recard » Thu Jul 30, 2020 7:26 am

Nice shout out for TBJ from Zach Lowe on his podcast yesterday:

I pick the wizards (over Brooklyn) for two reasons: one, Troy Brown Jr....I’m a believer. I’ve always been a believer. I’m a believer in him as a good complimentary player some day. He was buried for a lot of this season, emerged later in the season. There is no place to bury him now he’s going to start and he’s going to do stuff with the ball if the scrimmages are any indication. I just think he has a nice feel for the game. Every time I watch the wizards and Troy Brown plays for 5 consecutive minutes, and this doesn’t sound like a lot, but he does one or two things where I’m like, “ooh that was smart, that guy’s smart, or that was well timed, that pass was like a little earlier, or later sometimes, than most players would’ve thrown it”. He’s just a smart player and a like watching him play


Was also interesting listening to Chris Miller’s podcast a little while ago. He said just quietly that the front office is higher on Troy than any other of our young guys, including Rui.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#565 » by Ruzious » Thu Jul 30, 2020 12:23 pm

I'd take TBJ over the 3rd pick in the 2019 draft - RJ Barrett. Interesting that Troy is regarded as a complimentary player, while RJ is thought of us a lead player. The distinction seems to come from RJ taking more shots due to his poor shot selection. Perhaps his coaches have been guilty of enabling RJ's faults.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#566 » by prime1time » Mon Aug 3, 2020 3:54 pm

Ruzious wrote:I'd take TBJ over the 3rd pick in the 2019 draft - RJ Barrett. Interesting that Troy is regarded as a complimentary player, while RJ is thought of us a lead player. The distinction seems to come from RJ taking more shots due to his poor shot selection. Perhaps his coaches have been guilty of enabling RJ's faults.

I'm fine with it tbh. I like taking players along slowly as they build their offensive game. I don't remember exactly what it was but it was either a video or an article breaking down Kelly Oubre's offensive evolution. There's a lot that goes into scoring at the next level, so the idea is to build a little bit each year. It is the rare player that will come in and do big-time things offensively straight off the bat.

In addition one of the reasons I advocated for keeping Brad is that his presence sets the standard for everyone else. Teams like the Knicks are in complete disarray because they don't have any strong leadership. We have RJ Barrett on this team and he would play a whole lot better. You put Troy Brown on the Knicks and he would not be good.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#567 » by prime1time » Mon Aug 3, 2020 3:56 pm

Jimmy Recard wrote:Nice shout out for TBJ from Zach Lowe on his podcast yesterday:

I pick the wizards (over Brooklyn) for two reasons: one, Troy Brown Jr....I’m a believer. I’ve always been a believer. I’m a believer in him as a good complimentary player some day. He was buried for a lot of this season, emerged later in the season. There is no place to bury him now he’s going to start and he’s going to do stuff with the ball if the scrimmages are any indication. I just think he has a nice feel for the game. Every time I watch the wizards and Troy Brown plays for 5 consecutive minutes, and this doesn’t sound like a lot, but he does one or two things where I’m like, “ooh that was smart, that guy’s smart, or that was well timed, that pass was like a little earlier, or later sometimes, than most players would’ve thrown it”. He’s just a smart player and a like watching him play


Was also interesting listening to Chris Miller’s podcast a little while ago. He said just quietly that the front office is higher on Troy than any other of our young guys, including Rui.

That's really high praise. But tbh, both Rui and TBJr's future hinge on their ability to make the 3. If both of them can become solid shooters we'll be in a good place.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#568 » by dckingsfan » Mon Aug 3, 2020 4:12 pm

prime1time wrote:
Jimmy Recard wrote:Nice shout out for TBJ from Zach Lowe on his podcast yesterday:

I pick the wizards (over Brooklyn) for two reasons: one, Troy Brown Jr....I’m a believer. I’ve always been a believer. I’m a believer in him as a good complimentary player some day. He was buried for a lot of this season, emerged later in the season. There is no place to bury him now he’s going to start and he’s going to do stuff with the ball if the scrimmages are any indication. I just think he has a nice feel for the game. Every time I watch the wizards and Troy Brown plays for 5 consecutive minutes, and this doesn’t sound like a lot, but he does one or two things where I’m like, “ooh that was smart, that guy’s smart, or that was well timed, that pass was like a little earlier, or later sometimes, than most players would’ve thrown it”. He’s just a smart player and a like watching him play


Was also interesting listening to Chris Miller’s podcast a little while ago. He said just quietly that the front office is higher on Troy than any other of our young guys, including Rui.

That's really high praise. But tbh, both Rui and TBJr's future hinge on their ability to make the 3. If both of them can become solid shooters we'll be in a good place.

Can I agree but disagree at the same time - you could say I am confused :D

I think both Rui and TBJr's future hinge on their ability to defend a position or multiple positions.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#569 » by Ruzious » Mon Aug 3, 2020 6:29 pm

dckingsfan wrote:
prime1time wrote:
Jimmy Recard wrote:Nice shout out for TBJ from Zach Lowe on his podcast yesterday:



Was also interesting listening to Chris Miller’s podcast a little while ago. He said just quietly that the front office is higher on Troy than any other of our young guys, including Rui.

That's really high praise. But tbh, both Rui and TBJr's future hinge on their ability to make the 3. If both of them can become solid shooters we'll be in a good place.

Can I agree but disagree at the same time - you could say I am confused :D

I think both Rui and TBJr's future hinge on their ability to defend a position or multiple positions.

Tbh, I think both of them have a ceiling of mediocre on defense. Given that, they both really need to become good 3 point shooters in order to be legit NBA starters, imo.

Many many years ago, I remember being in basketball camp - learning the art of the catch and shoot - even before the 3 point shot was popular. Ya gotta be in position to shoot before you catch the ball. It's not that hard - just have your feet set and bend your knees ready to shoot as the ball comes your way. But I guess it's harder to do that at NBA speed than 14 year old camp speed. Man, Jerian Grant could have had several easy 3's last game, but he just hasn't mastered the catch and shoot art. Players have to learn to play off the ball - even if they were point guards. Should learn that before you get to HS.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#570 » by prime1time » Mon Aug 3, 2020 8:42 pm

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prime1time wrote:That's really high praise. But tbh, both Rui and TBJr's future hinge on their ability to make the 3. If both of them can become solid shooters we'll be in a good place.

Can I agree but disagree at the same time - you could say I am confused :D

I think both Rui and TBJr's future hinge on their ability to defend a position or multiple positions.

Tbh, I think both of them have a ceiling of mediocre on defense. Given that, they both really need to become good 3 point shooters in order to be legit NBA starters, imo.

Many many years ago, I remember being in basketball camp - learning the art of the catch and shoot - even before the 3 point shot was popular. Ya gotta be in position to shoot before you catch the ball. It's not that hard - just have your feet set and bend your knees ready to shoot as the ball comes your way. But I guess it's harder to do that at NBA speed than 14 year old camp speed. Man, Jerian Grant could have had several easy 3's last game, but he just hasn't mastered the catch and shoot art. Players have to learn to play off the ball - even if they were point guards. Should learn that before you get to HS.

A lot of defense is just energy and awareness. They don't need to be all-team defensive players, but the team needs to play good defense as a whole. Look at the Cavs Warriors finals. Who on those Cavs teams were great defenders? Yet they slowed down the Warriors (non-KD).
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#571 » by dckingsfan » Mon Aug 3, 2020 9:06 pm

prime1time wrote:
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dckingsfan wrote:Can I agree but disagree at the same time - you could say I am confused :D

I think both Rui and TBJr's future hinge on their ability to defend a position or multiple positions.

Tbh, I think both of them have a ceiling of mediocre on defense. Given that, they both really need to become good 3 point shooters in order to be legit NBA starters, imo.

Many many years ago, I remember being in basketball camp - learning the art of the catch and shoot - even before the 3 point shot was popular. Ya gotta be in position to shoot before you catch the ball. It's not that hard - just have your feet set and bend your knees ready to shoot as the ball comes your way. But I guess it's harder to do that at NBA speed than 14 year old camp speed. Man, Jerian Grant could have had several easy 3's last game, but he just hasn't mastered the catch and shoot art. Players have to learn to play off the ball - even if they were point guards. Should learn that before you get to HS.

A lot of defense is just energy and awareness. They don't need to be all-team defensive players, but the team needs to play good defense as a whole. Look at the Cavs Warriors finals. Who on those Cavs teams were great defenders? Yet they slowed down the Warriors (non-KD).

I think that is anecdotal to the argument. I think that the future of both of them hinges both on their ability to get to be reasonably solid defenders AND hit the 3.

Now, if we are flipping away from individuals and to team. Yes, I agree that with the right players you can hide marginal defenders. Problem is, that would give us (if you will Wall, Beal, TBJr and Rui. It would be very hard to hide all four, no?
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#572 » by prime1time » Mon Aug 3, 2020 10:36 pm

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Ruzious wrote:Tbh, I think both of them have a ceiling of mediocre on defense. Given that, they both really need to become good 3 point shooters in order to be legit NBA starters, imo.

Many many years ago, I remember being in basketball camp - learning the art of the catch and shoot - even before the 3 point shot was popular. Ya gotta be in position to shoot before you catch the ball. It's not that hard - just have your feet set and bend your knees ready to shoot as the ball comes your way. But I guess it's harder to do that at NBA speed than 14 year old camp speed. Man, Jerian Grant could have had several easy 3's last game, but he just hasn't mastered the catch and shoot art. Players have to learn to play off the ball - even if they were point guards. Should learn that before you get to HS.

A lot of defense is just energy and awareness. They don't need to be all-team defensive players, but the team needs to play good defense as a whole. Look at the Cavs Warriors finals. Who on those Cavs teams were great defenders? Yet they slowed down the Warriors (non-KD).

I think that is anecdotal to the argument. I think that the future of both of them hinges both on their ability to get to be reasonably solid defenders AND hit the 3.

Now, if we are flipping away from individuals and to team. Yes, I agree that with the right players you can hide marginal defenders. Problem is, that would give us (if you will Wall, Beal, TBJr and Rui. It would be very hard to hide all four, no?

You misread my argument. I'm not flipping between individual defense and team defense, I'm saying other than giving out awards and trophies individual defense is irrelevant. If the player isn't a siv, they are good enough to be a member of a good defensive team. Defense is about communication, rotations and smarts. I'd argue that 25-30% is individual and the 70 to 75% is team. You put the same players that need to "improve on defense" on a good defensive team and they'd play defense. Would they stop everyone? No. But that's not that relevant anyway. Ultimately what I'm trying to say is that what needs to happen is that the Wiz need to create a culture of playing defense.

I don't disagree with you, I'm just saying that from what I've seen watching basketball defensive improvement comes when players are in an environment that requires defense. Tbh, I couldn't even tell you if they are actually bad defenders because I've never seen them, IMO, go all out playing defense. That's not even a knock on them. No one on the Wiz plays defense.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#573 » by dckingsfan » Mon Aug 3, 2020 11:11 pm

prime1time wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:
prime1time wrote:A lot of defense is just energy and awareness. They don't need to be all-team defensive players, but the team needs to play good defense as a whole. Look at the Cavs Warriors finals. Who on those Cavs teams were great defenders? Yet they slowed down the Warriors (non-KD).

I think that is anecdotal to the argument. I think that the future of both of them hinges both on their ability to get to be reasonably solid defenders AND hit the 3.

Now, if we are flipping away from individuals and to team. Yes, I agree that with the right players you can hide marginal defenders. Problem is, that would give us (if you will Wall, Beal, TBJr and Rui. It would be very hard to hide all four, no?

You misread my argument. I'm not flipping between individual defense and team defense, I'm saying other than giving out awards and trophies individual defense is irrelevant. If the player isn't a siv, they are good enough to be a member of a good defensive team. Defense is about communication, rotations and smarts. I'd argue that 25-30% is individual and the 70 to 75% is team. You put the same players that need to "improve on defense" on a good defensive team and they'd play defense. Would they stop everyone? No. But that's not that relevant anyway. Ultimately what I'm trying to say is that what needs to happen is that the Wiz need to create a culture of playing defense.

I don't disagree with you, I'm just saying that from what I've seen watching basketball defensive improvement comes when players are in an environment that requires defense. Tbh, I couldn't even tell you if they are actually bad defenders because I've never seen them, IMO, go all out playing defense. That's not even a knock on them. No one on the Wiz plays defense.

Solid take...
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#574 » by FAH1223 » Tue Aug 4, 2020 5:14 pm

My hot take is if Troy started at PG from Game 1 on, the Wiz probably have 5 more wins.
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Re: The Troy Brown Thread 

Post#575 » by Ruzious » Tue Aug 4, 2020 7:30 pm

FAH1223 wrote:My hot take is if Troy started at PG from Game 1 on, the Wiz probably have 5 more wins.

I don't know if he has to be a PG, but he should at least be the secondary ball-handler. I think he can eventually develop a catch and shoot game, but at this point - he looks so much more comfortable with the ball in his hands - taking his man off the dribble. Unfortunately, on defense, he lets his man take him off the dribble too much. He's a talented asset that I hope the Wiz utilize better. And if they can't utilize him better, trade him.
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Post#576 » by doclinkin » Tue Aug 4, 2020 8:07 pm

FAH1223 wrote:My hot take is if Troy started at PG from Game 1 on, the Wiz probably have 5 more wins.


Not saying much. If Eric Fart Maynor started at PG instead of Hero Ball Thomas we'd have 3 more wins.

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