Issuf Sanon - 44th overall (2018)

FAH1223 · Post #1 » by **FAH1223** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:27 am

trast66 · Post #2 » by **trast66** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:36 am

Never seen him play. A draft and stash is ridiculous in the life cycle of this team.

These picks only make sense if there is a Cousins trade coming.

NatP4 · Post #3 » by **NatP4** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 3:56 am

He looks like he's got some real upside from watching this video

Watch on YouTube

seems to give great effort on both ends, has an advanced feel for the game, lightning quick first step and lateral quickness, can play above the rim. seems like all the high upside tools you want to see. Reminds me of De'aron Fox just from that one video.

against Ukraine league competition but still

80sballboy · Post #4 » by **80sballboy** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:03 am

NatP4 wrote:He looks like he's got some real upside from watching this video

Watch on YouTube

seems to give great effort on both ends, has an advanced feel for the game, lightning quick first step and lateral quickness, can play above the rim. seems like all the high upside tools you want to see. Reminds me of De'aron Fox just from that one video.

against Ukraine league competition but still

For 18, he's impressive. Will be interesting to see how he does in SL.

ptptpt · Post #5 » by **ptptpt** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 4:18 am

I'm slightly less upset at this pick. I think he might be good in a few years. But, its unfortunate that he is another draft and stash. We need contributors right today. Not three years from now.

nuposse04 · Post #6 » by **nuposse04** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:44 am

So he is basically good at nothing and plays in a **** league. Nice. Solid pic.

NatP4 · Post #7 » by **NatP4** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:15 am

35 turnovers in 7 U18 games but he averaged 19-6-3 on solid efficiency. That’s why he shot up draft boards last second.

WizardsWorld · Post #8 » by **WizardsWorld** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:32 am

Would have rather taken a chance on Greek Freak's little brother. Ernie really Ernie'd this F'N draft.

queridiculo · Post #9 » by **queridiculo** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 11:35 am

How the **** do you not pick Keita Bates Diop there ackg%EASDDA%#AW& I'm so **** livid over this pick still, these cheap **** bastards.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #10 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:34 pm

jayscott wrote:I'm slightly less upset at this pick. I think he might be good in a few years. But, its unfortunate that he is another draft and stash. We need contributors right today. Not three years from now.

I disagree. The Wizards need contributors today AND three years from now. The Wizards were smart to pick Satoransky rather than someone who found his way out of the league in a couple seasons after barely playing. Thinking that 2nd round picks are going to be major difference makers in their rookie season is just a terrible plan. I don't know if Sanon will make it or not, but he's interesting enough.

Really, I don't have a problem with either Brown or Sanon. They weren't the guys I'd have picked, but I'm willing to be open-minded here (particularly with Brown, who looks reasonably good to me). My problem is that the Wizards don't have more players like them. That's all. Having Ernie keep the picks for a change rather than moving them to get the team under the tax line is a small step in the right direction. More of that please. It shouldn't be hard to find some minimum salary veterans who will be as good as anyone available at 44 for the 2018-19 season alone. Do that and let Sanon develop. Then continue making more picks overall rather than dumping the pick every other year. And stop with the massive veteran free agent disasters, though with Ernie, that's clearly too much to ask.

verbal8 · Post #11 » by **verbal8** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:48 pm

I think Bates-Diop might have been a good value pick.

NatP4 · Post #12 » by **NatP4** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:54 pm

Diop, Diallo, Spalding, Metu all went after our pick.

I like Sanon’s potential over all of them, but he won’t play for another two years.

gtn130 · Post #13 » by **gtn130** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 1:58 pm

Remember the Aaron White pick? lol

Seems like they've realized selling picks for cash is bad optics, so the new strategy is to simply draft guys who will never play in the NBA so you don't have to pay them

verbal8 · Post #14 » by **verbal8** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:39 pm

NatP4 wrote:Diop, Diallo, Spalding, Metu all went after our pick.

I like Sanon’s potential over all of them, but he won’t play for another two years.

The Wizards have salary problems now. Seeing if a 2nd rounder can play is better to do sooner vs. later. I think draft and stash would be great for additional 2nd rounders(or late ones), but the middle of the 2nd round has a high enough chance of success the Wizards should try to use the picks to improve the team's salary structure.

I_Like_Dirt · Post #15 » by **I_Like_Dirt** » Fri Jun 22, 2018 2:42 pm

verbal8 wrote:The Wizards have salary problems now. Seeing if a 2nd rounder can play is better to do sooner vs. later. I think draft and stash would be great for additional 2nd rounders(or late ones), but the middle of the 2nd round has a high enough chance of success the Wizards should try to use the picks to improve the team's salary structure.

If you're worried about the team's salary structure, I think there are a fair share of undrafted free agents that would do just that. The Raptors are in a similar cap crunch to the Wizards and didn't have any draft picks this year. They worked out a bunch of players before the draft anyway, and low and behold, none of them were drafted. Given they added Fred Van Vleet as an undrafted free agent, I think it's pretty clear what their plans are. The Wizards can still do that. I don't think they will do so all that well, if at all, but drafting Sanon doesn't stop them in any way. Ernie has major flaws as a GM, but as for drafting Sanon, timeframe really doesn't matter - it's all about how good he winds up in the end. People here made the same kinds of complaints when the Wizards drafted Satoransky.

Kanyewest · Post #16 » by **Kanyewest** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 4:06 am

trast66 wrote:Never seen him play. A draft and stash is ridiculous in the life cycle of this team.

These picks only make sense if there is a Cousins trade coming.

Just curious, when do you think is the right time to do a draft and stash. The Spurs for instance did a draft + stash the year they won the title- the Spurs didn't win a title for another 3 years but that player turned out to be Manu

Dat2U · Post #17 » by **Dat2U** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:35 pm

Kanyewest wrote:
trast66 wrote:Never seen him play. A draft and stash is ridiculous in the life cycle of this team.

These picks only make sense if there is a Cousins trade coming.

Just curious, when do you think is the right time to do a draft and stash. The Spurs for instance did a draft + stash the year they won the title- the Spurs didn't win a title for another 3 years but that player turned out to be Manu

Have you looked at this guy's stats? He will not be Manu. This is a very good athlete who doesn't know how to play at all and is trying to learn the game at a very late stage. Odds are he'll never sniff playing in the USA or even a higher European league.

NatP4 · Post #18 » by **NatP4** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 1:50 pm

Dat2U wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:
trast66 wrote:Never seen him play. A draft and stash is ridiculous in the life cycle of this team.

These picks only make sense if there is a Cousins trade coming.

Just curious, when do you think is the right time to do a draft and stash. The Spurs for instance did a draft + stash the year they won the title- the Spurs didn't win a title for another 3 years but that player turned out to be Manu

Have you looked at this guy's stats? He will not be Manu. This is a very good athlete who doesn't know how to play at all and is trying to learn the game at a very late stage. Odds are he'll never sniff playing in the USA or even a higher European league.

19 points 6 rebounds 3 steals 3 assists on 52/33/60 shooting? A 6’5 18 year old with elite athleticism. You’re blinded by your Ernie hatred. It’s a swing for the fence pick at a stage where there was basically nothing left on the board.

Dat2U · Post #19 » by **Dat2U** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:08 pm

NatP4 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:
Just curious, when do you think is the right time to do a draft and stash. The Spurs for instance did a draft + stash the year they won the title- the Spurs didn't win a title for another 3 years but that player turned out to be Manu

Have you looked at this guy's stats? He will not be Manu. This is a very good athlete who doesn't know how to play at all and is trying to learn the game at a very late stage. Odds are he'll never sniff playing in the USA or even a higher European league.

19 points 6 rebounds 3 steals 3 assists on 52/33/60 shooting? A 6’5 18 year old with elite athleticism. You’re blinded by your Ernie hatred. It’s a swing for the fence pick at a stage where there was basically nothing left on the board.

Miss me with the bs.

An 18 yr that is significantly behind in his development curve. Cherry picking his stats in a low level league doesn't make him any better. I have no problem giving credit when it's due.

Credit for Ernie is not due here.

NatP4 · Post #20 » by **NatP4** » Sun Jun 24, 2018 2:19 pm

Dat2U wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:
Have you looked at this guy's stats? He will not be Manu. This is a very good athlete who doesn't know how to play at all and is trying to learn the game at a very late stage. Odds are he'll never sniff playing in the USA or even a higher European league.

19 points 6 rebounds 3 steals 3 assists on 52/33/60 shooting? A 6’5 18 year old with elite athleticism. You’re blinded by your Ernie hatred. It’s a swing for the fence pick at a stage where there was basically nothing left on the board.

Miss me with the bs.

An 18 yr that is significantly behind in his development curve. Cherry picking his stats in a low level league doesn't make him any better. I have no problem giving credit when it's due.

Credit for Ernie is not due here.

You were attempting to cherry pick his stats from a low level league. I’m listing his stats from a tournament that got him drafted according to Mike Schmitz.

They took a high upside late riser. It’s a swing for the fence pick over some 23 year old underwhelming college player that might become a mediocre role player in 3-4 years.