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Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#1861 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Mon Jan 10, 2022 5:13 am

payitforward wrote:Sticks is

doing all this for CCJ !!



Lord knows he sure had some Bad play before this.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#1862 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:44 pm

Another guy... from UVA is getting a chance and using it well. Kyle Guy. Super-smart little guard who can shoot the lights out. He just got his 2nd 10-day contract with Miami - after showing he's another 3 point shooter for them. Seems like Miami is better than everyone else at finding guys (ok I'll stop saying guy, guy) like that. Just one guy's opinion. That's the thing about getting small guards - get ones that can flat out shoot. Otherwise, pass.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#1863 » by Ruzious » Mon Jan 10, 2022 7:55 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:In general teams like Chicago and Atlanta are doing better than the Wizards.

I did not like that loss to Houston the other day and I have a feeling they’re gonna be better sooner than later.

The Memphis Grizzlies are doing way better than the Wizards.

Notice that JJJ is finally stepping up for Mem - 21 points, 12 rebounds, 6 blocks last night. Brutal game for the Lakers except for Lebron - who made 14 of 19 FG's. The other 4 Laker starters were 8 of... 39. Holy RW!
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#1864 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Jan 11, 2022 2:59 pm

Jaren Jr., as well as Mo Bamba and Wendell Carter Jr. have each enjoyed a spike in productivity after not showing very well early on in their NBA careers.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#1865 » by Ruzious » Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:16 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Jaren Jr., as well as Mo Bamba and Wendell Carter Jr. have each enjoyed a spike in productivity after not showing very well early on in their NBA careers.

Bamba improved the last 2 seasons, but he seems to have regressed this season. My gut say they'll try to trade him, because he and Carter are both strictly centers, and Carter's probably going to be better - and Bamba's going to be an RFA after this season that they probably won't want to pay. And they can keep the other Mo - Wagner and Robin "Hook" Lopez.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#1866 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:15 am

<Bamboo> probably got worse once the numbers crunch happened. There are only so many minutes to go around.

I thought very early in the year <mow be> was playing a lot better
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#1868 » by Dark Faze » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:59 pm

Hawks did what imo we should do with Rui. There's all the excuses in the world you could use to gas up Cam and wait until his contract expires to make a decision on him. If it works out, great, you keep the guy you developed. Problem is if it doesn't work out, you end up basically letting 4 years of development and minutes walk out the door.

It's a gamble either way, but the Hawks GM clearly made a decision on where he saw Cam's future going and preferred to maximize his value now. You have to do that sometimes. You need to be "recycling" some of your draft picks from time to time. That sort of thing can add up, keep young talent coming through the door.
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Post#1869 » by gambitx777 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:02 pm

Dark Faze wrote:Hawks did what imo we should do with Rui. There's all the excuses in the world you could use to gas up Cam and wait until his contract expires to make a decision on him. If it works out, great, you keep the guy you developed. Problem is if it doesn't work out, you end up basically letting 4 years of development and minutes walk out the door.

It's a gamble either way, but the Hawks GM clearly made a decision on where he saw Cam's future going and preferred to maximize his value now. You have to do that sometimes. You need to be "recycling" some of your draft picks from time to time. That sort of thing can add up, keep young talent coming through the door.
I think the difference here is cam was not particularly happy with his role and Rui is. I understand that's not the point you're trying to make and I do agree with you. But I feel rui isn't the one to give up yet.

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#1870 » by Dark Faze » Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:44 pm

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Dark Faze wrote:Hawks did what imo we should do with Rui. There's all the excuses in the world you could use to gas up Cam and wait until his contract expires to make a decision on him. If it works out, great, you keep the guy you developed. Problem is if it doesn't work out, you end up basically letting 4 years of development and minutes walk out the door.

It's a gamble either way, but the Hawks GM clearly made a decision on where he saw Cam's future going and preferred to maximize his value now. You have to do that sometimes. You need to be "recycling" some of your draft picks from time to time. That sort of thing can add up, keep young talent coming through the door.
I think the difference here is cam was not particularly happy with his role and Rui is. I understand that's not the point you're trying to make and I do agree with you. But I feel rui isn't the one to give up yet.

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Yeah just found out dude requested a trade last summer....after only 2 years on a team that was doing well while he was battling injuries and playing poorly? That's wild. Knicks might be getting a toxic player low key. But I dunno.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#1871 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:11 pm

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Dark Faze wrote:Hawks did what imo we should do with Rui. There's all the excuses in the world you could use to gas up Cam and wait until his contract expires to make a decision on him. If it works out, great, you keep the guy you developed. Problem is if it doesn't work out, you end up basically letting 4 years of development and minutes walk out the door.

It's a gamble either way, but the Hawks GM clearly made a decision on where he saw Cam's future going and preferred to maximize his value now. You have to do that sometimes. You need to be "recycling" some of your draft picks from time to time. That sort of thing can add up, keep young talent coming through the door.
I think the difference here is cam was not particularly happy with his role and Rui is. I understand that's not the point you're trying to make and I do agree with you. But I feel rui isn't the one to give up yet.

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Hachimura is just happy to be back right now but once his minutes are a lot less than what he’s been accustomed to in his first two seasons I think he’s not gonna be happy, either. It might be different if this team we’re winning every night and a 50+ win team. I could see Rui accept coming off the bench.

I would like to see the next five or so games just to see how the rotation goes and whether the Wizards start winning consistently again.

I do believe it’s time to make a trade of some sort but they need to wait at least two or three games. (That is unless it’s a trade of Bradley B or possibly Davis B—No need to hesitate on trading either one of them in my opinion).
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#1872 » by Ruzious » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:08 pm

I got to see Milwaukee destroy GSW last night but really came away amazed by how well GS is set up. Sure, they're maybe the best team in the West, but they're not gonna fall apart when Curry's group gets old. They have all kinds of very young talent that haven't touched on what they'll become. Kuminga's raw, but he's 19... His talent level is stunning. I'd be surprised if he doesn't become one of the best players in the NBA - the only question is when. Jordan Poole is just 22 - a great talent who just needs to keep learning and develop a consistent 3 ball. And 2 guys who didn't play - 19 year old Moody and 20 year old Wiseman are valued pieces. Wiseman might be overrated, but there's definitely talent there. If the Wiz had been forward thinking... well, we don't need to go into that.
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Post#1873 » by doclinkin » Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:59 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Hachimura is just happy to be back right now but once his minutes are a lot less than what he’s been accustomed to in his first two seasons I think he’s not gonna be happy, either.


Whereas I get the impression that is exactly what would make him happy. To be on a team, surrounded by his guys, and blend in without all the pressure. He can stand out in a highlight dunk here and there, play solid match-up defense as called upon, and otherwise disappear. The hungry players with competitive drive are the ones who scrap for rebounds and even snatch them away from teammates. Those are the guys who complain when they don't get playing time. Rui watches the action, even when on the court. I get the sense he would be happy to watch from the bench, and come in to help out when the coach calls upon him. The pressure has been on him when he is supposed to be the star.

In that respect, if he can stick in the league, I feel like he may develop slowly, on the Oubre/JaVale timeline. Once he has enough reps that wisdom and experience substitute for BBIQ instincts then his natural talent can take over.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#1874 » by payitforward » Sat Jan 15, 2022 3:54 am

Rui wasn't a super-great college player, but he was certainly good! We'll have to see whether he develops into anything particularly valuable, but I don't see any reason to make a call on him yet.

Cam was awful at Duke. & he's never had a significant stretch of playing well in the league -- tho he did have a few very good games in the playoffs last year.

That said, I think the trade is more a sign of the mess in the Hawks FO. Travis Schlenk was supposed to gonna be a great GM, coming out of the GS system, but overall he sure hasn't looked that way to me.

They got a potted plant for the guy they picked #10 3 drafts ago. That's on management.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#1875 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:39 am

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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Hachimura is just happy to be back right now but once his minutes are a lot less than what he’s been accustomed to in his first two seasons I think he’s not gonna be happy, either.


Whereas I get the impression that is exactly what would make him happy. To be on a team, surrounded by his guys, and blend in without all the pressure. He can stand out in a highlight dunk here and there, play solid match-up defense as called upon, and otherwise disappear. The hungry players with competitive drive are the ones who scrap for rebounds and even snatch them away from teammates. Those are the guys who complain when they don't get playing time. Rui watches the action, even when on the court. I get the sense he would be happy to watch from the bench, and come in to help out when the coach calls upon him. The pressure has been on him when he is supposed to be the star.

In that respect, if he can stick in the league, I feel like he may develop slowly, on the Oubre/JaVale timeline. Once he has enough reps that wisdom and experience substitute for BBIQ instincts then his natural talent can take over.


Kelly Oubre is a terrific comparison. I totally agree with you that Hachimura right now is not ready to be a lead dog but in a few years he might really be a good player. He’s definitely solid offensively and he has all the tools and the physicality and the size. He just doesn’t have any dog in them right now. That doesn’t mean he won’t in about for five years assuming he is still in the league and healthy mentally and physically.

If you are correct and he is the type of player who would flourish coming off the bench then I would say hold onto this young man.
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