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Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#721 » by gambitx777 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:10 am

eric gordon just got a 4 year 75+ mill extension, WTF . . . . . .
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Post#722 » by gambitx777 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 10:39 am

Plus boogie has a domestic abuse warrant out on him. Lakers Re sure to cut him. Melo?

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#723 » by nate33 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 1:33 pm

gambitx777 wrote:eric gordon just got a 4 year 75+ mill extension, WTF . . . . . .

The last year is only guaranteed if Gordan makes an ASG or Houston wins a title. So it's really a 3 year deal at $19M per year. I don't think that's all that unreasonable, particularly for an over-the-cap team who has no realistic way of replacing him if he walks in free agency.

Gordon is an underrated defender who usually has to defend the opposition's best guard. And Gordon usually plays well in the playoffs.
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Post#724 » by gambitx777 » Sat Aug 31, 2019 7:39 pm

With an injury history who is aging. Yes I agree they didn't have many options. But man 19 mill a year....for Gordon is steep !
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gambitx777 wrote:eric gordon just got a 4 year 75+ mill extension, WTF . . . . . .

The last year is only guaranteed if Gordan makes an ASG or Houston wins a title. So it's really a 3 year deal at $19M per year. I don't think that's all that unreasonable, particularly for an over-the-cap team who has no realistic way of replacing him if he walks in free agency.

Gordon is an underrated defender who usually has to defend the opposition's best guard. And Gordon usually plays well in the playoffs.


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Post#725 » by payitforward » Thu Sep 5, 2019 1:19 pm

Bol Bol, once expected to be a mid-lottery pick, was just signed by Denver to a 2-way deal. Wow....
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#726 » by nate33 » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:33 pm

Detroit signs Joe Johnson to a partially guaranteed deal.

If Johnson makes the team, they'll have to cut Christian Wood. From the article:

With the addition, the Pistons likely will end up with a two-way competition for the 15th roster spot, between center Christian Wood and Johnson. Michael Beasley, who had been with the team for workouts a few weeks ago, did not sign an official contract so he did not need to be waived, a source told The News.

According to ESPN’s Bobby Marks, Johnson’s contract has an initial guarantee of $220,000 and becomes fully guaranteed for $2.56 million — with a salary-cap impact of $1.6 million — if Johnson is on the roster after Jan. 7. Johnson's partial guarantee gives the Pistons flexibility in case they choose Wood — who has a guarantee of $822,000 on Oct. 23, the first day of the regular season — instead.


What we really need is to get that injury roster exception for Wall. Then we can add Christian Wood without having to cut Jones.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#727 » by payitforward » Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:45 pm

?? I think we are at 16 right now -- i.e. the injury exception would let us keep Jones. Adding Christian Wood would require us to cut someone, no?

It's interesting that we still don't have a 2d 2-way player signed: that might indicate that we intend to put Jones or Robinson into that kind of deal.

Just speculation on my part....

edit: ...or we could sign Wood 2-way w/ a silent promise to his agent that we'll convert him later in the season (or maybe even a promise for next year...)?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#728 » by nate33 » Sat Sep 14, 2019 1:26 pm

payitforward wrote:?? I think we are at 16 right now -- i.e. the injury exception would let us keep Jones. Adding Christian Wood would require us to cut someone, no?

It's interesting that we still don't have a 2d 2-way player signed: that might indicate that we intend to put Jones or Robinson into that kind of deal.

Just speculation on my part....

edit: ...or we could sign Wood 2-way w/ a silent promise to his agent that we'll convert him later in the season (or maybe even a promise for next year...)?

What would probably make the most sense from an on-the-court standpoint is to move Justin Robinson onto a 2-way deal. He's not going to see minutes behind Ish, Isaiah (and Troy) anyhow, unless there are injuries or garbage time. McRae and Jones could actually fill important roles on the 2nd unit.

I'm not sure it's possible to demote Robinson though. I guess we'd have to cut him, pay the $250K that was guaranteed, and then resign him on a 2-way.

Even better would be to cut Wagner, but we know that's not going to happen. I'd also explore trading Bonga for a future pick, or in a 2 for 1 trade where we get an upgrade, but that's difficult because most other teams are running out of roster spots as well.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#729 » by payitforward » Sat Sep 14, 2019 8:09 pm

Makes some sense. But...

In the end, when I consider the value of any individual on our roster, I have to give a lot of extra weight to potential future value. I.e. someone whose presence means we win an extra couple of games this season, but who has zero value lets say 2 years from now, doesn't get much from me for his present value. Salary is part of the calculation of course.

Obviously, the poster child for low future value is Ian Mahinmi. C.J. Miles comes next. IMO, Jordan McRae finishes 3d from the POV.

Now... we could simply cut Mahinmi, eat the $15.5m he costs, be at 12 guaranteed players, & then keep all 3 of Jones, McRae & Robinson. Weirdly, we have the ability to chuck this huge contract with almost no effect on our salary load.

I.e. all it would cost is the $988K of Robinson's salary. Since we owe him $250K in any case, it's even less. If one preferred to think of it as the chance to keep Jones or McRae (i.e. assuming we'd be keeping Robinson anyway), it's still only a little over $1m added salary, & we're still under the tax.

The obvious objection is --- who's playing back up Center? Yet, Ian played only 498 minutes last year. In fact, Mahinmi, Howard, Portis & Smith combined last year for only 1626 minutes.

If we assume we'd like Bryant to play 900 more minutes than the 1496 he logged last year, that does leave a hole, to be sure, but it's not all that big.

Now, cutting Mahinmi would work a lot better if Wood were available to sign in his place -- which would once again leave us needing to cut one of Jones/McRae/Robinson. Unless we get the exception for John.

In short, from my POV, if we get the exception, & Wood is available, it makes perfecct sense & costs next to nothing to sign him & cut Mahinmi.

Am I missing something here?

Actually, this is in altogether the wrong thread. Plus, I think it might be worth its own discussion in the Mahinmi thread -- if I can find it. So... look for this elsewhere in a few minutes
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