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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#961 » by queridiculo » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:22 am

Madness, you feel good enough about a MIddleton, Holiday and Antetokounmpo core to give up that kind of draft capital?

Some dubious decision making by the Bucks from last season to this.

You couldn't be bothered to pay 26 year old Brogdon $20 million per, but now you've essentially committed yourself to a near max 4 year contract for a 31 year old PG with durability concerns?

They should have given Presti a call for Chris Paul.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#962 » by Ruzious » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:37 am

queridiculo wrote:Madness, you feel good enough about a MIddleton, Holiday and Antetokounmpo core to give up that kind of draft capital?

Some dubious decision making by the Bucks from last season to this.

You couldn't be bothered to pay 26 year old Brogdon $20 million per, but now you've essentially committed yourself to a near max 4 year contract for a 31 year old PG with durability concerns?

They should have given Presti a call for Chris Paul.

Talking about all or nothing. The Jrue trade was insane - and I mean that literally. Now, they not only have to re-sign Giannis, but they also have to re-sign Jrue. And if they don't, it arguably becomes the single worst trade in NBA history. Also, they have dramatically increased the price it'll likely take to re-sign Jrue because of the leverage they've essentially gifted to him. Their payroll will be absurdly high next offseason... if things go as planned.

And the Bucks now have zero depth. Zippy. Nada.

And the Jrue trade was ALL about not having any faith that Bledsoe can play in the playoffs. But what had Jrue done to make them think it'll be any different for him? He's played in just 9 playoff games since 2015. Otherwise, he's essentially the same player as Bledsoe. But they gave up 3 FRP's, 2 pick swaps and quality backup guard George Hill.

It is odd the Bucks never went after Chris Paul. I don't know if Giannis had something against him and particularly liked Jrue. I'm still befuddled as to why they paid such a steep price for him. I know they felt they had to trade Bledsoe, but this was an absurdly 1-sided trade.

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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#963 » by TGW » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:37 am

Covington for Ariza and two firsts....not sure that's a great one either. A lot of overpaying by the smaller market teams.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#964 » by queridiculo » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:54 am

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queridiculo wrote:Madness, you feel good enough about a MIddleton, Holiday and Antetokounmpo core to give up that kind of draft capital?

Some dubious decision making by the Bucks from last season to this.

You couldn't be bothered to pay 26 year old Brogdon $20 million per, but now you've essentially committed yourself to a near max 4 year contract for a 31 year old PG with durability concerns?

They should have given Presti a call for Chris Paul.

Talking about all or nothing. The Jrue trade was insane - and I mean that literally. Now, they not only have to re-sign Giannis, but they also have to re-sign Jrue. And if they don't, it arguably becomes the single worst trade in NBA history. Also, they have dramatically increased the price it'll likely take to re-sign Jrue because of the leverage they've essentially gifted to him. Their payroll will be absurdly high next offseason... if things go as planned.

And the Bucks now have zero depth. Zippy. Nada.

And the Jrue trade was ALL about not having any faith that Bledsoe can play in the playoffs. But what had Jrue done to make them think it'll be any different for him? He's played in just 9 playoff games since 2015. Otherwise, he's essentially the same player as Bledsoe. But they gave up 3 FRP's, 2 pick swaps and quality backup guard George Hill.

It is odd the Bucks never went after Chris Paul. I don't know if Giannis had something against him and particularly liked Jrue. I'm still befuddled as to why they paid such a steep price for him. I know they felt they had to trade Bledsoe, but this was an absurdly 1-sided trade.

Now to build a bench out of thin air. They'll need a talented carpenter.


You've got to imagine that Team Giannis had significant input there and that the Bucks probably wouldn't have surrendered those picks if they didn't feel comfortable about the prospects of an extension.

With Bogdanovic in the fold things are starting to take shape for Milwaukee.

Is it enough?

These picks could well convey after Giannis is no longer with the team.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#965 » by Ruzious » Tue Nov 17, 2020 7:46 am

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queridiculo wrote:Madness, you feel good enough about a MIddleton, Holiday and Antetokounmpo core to give up that kind of draft capital?

Some dubious decision making by the Bucks from last season to this.

You couldn't be bothered to pay 26 year old Brogdon $20 million per, but now you've essentially committed yourself to a near max 4 year contract for a 31 year old PG with durability concerns?

They should have given Presti a call for Chris Paul.

Talking about all or nothing. The Jrue trade was insane - and I mean that literally. Now, they not only have to re-sign Giannis, but they also have to re-sign Jrue. And if they don't, it arguably becomes the single worst trade in NBA history. Also, they have dramatically increased the price it'll likely take to re-sign Jrue because of the leverage they've essentially gifted to him. Their payroll will be absurdly high next offseason... if things go as planned.

And the Bucks now have zero depth. Zippy. Nada.

And the Jrue trade was ALL about not having any faith that Bledsoe can play in the playoffs. But what had Jrue done to make them think it'll be any different for him? He's played in just 9 playoff games since 2015. Otherwise, he's essentially the same player as Bledsoe. But they gave up 3 FRP's, 2 pick swaps and quality backup guard George Hill.

It is odd the Bucks never went after Chris Paul. I don't know if Giannis had something against him and particularly liked Jrue. I'm still befuddled as to why they paid such a steep price for him. I know they felt they had to trade Bledsoe, but this was an absurdly 1-sided trade.

Now to build a bench out of thin air. They'll need a talented carpenter.


You've got to imagine that Team Giannis had significant input there and that the Bucks probably wouldn't have surrendered those picks if they didn't feel comfortable about the prospects of an extension.

With Bogdanovic in the fold things are starting to take shape for Milwaukee.

Is it enough?

These picks could well convey after Giannis is no longer with the team.

Not sure I've ever seen a team with literally no bench. It'll be interesting to see what they do to fix that - especially since they have zero draft picks on Wednesday.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#966 » by nate33 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:33 pm

Ruzious wrote:
queridiculo wrote:Madness, you feel good enough about a MIddleton, Holiday and Antetokounmpo core to give up that kind of draft capital?

Some dubious decision making by the Bucks from last season to this.

You couldn't be bothered to pay 26 year old Brogdon $20 million per, but now you've essentially committed yourself to a near max 4 year contract for a 31 year old PG with durability concerns?

They should have given Presti a call for Chris Paul.

Talking about all or nothing. The Jrue trade was insane - and I mean that literally. Now, they not only have to re-sign Giannis, but they also have to re-sign Jrue. And if they don't, it arguably becomes the single worst trade in NBA history. Also, they have dramatically increased the price it'll likely take to re-sign Jrue because of the leverage they've essentially gifted to him. Their payroll will be absurdly high next offseason... if things go as planned.

And the Bucks now have zero depth. Zippy. Nada.

And the Jrue trade was ALL about not having any faith that Bledsoe can play in the playoffs. But what had Jrue done to make them think it'll be any different for him? He's played in just 9 playoff games since 2015. Otherwise, he's essentially the same player as Bledsoe. But they gave up 3 FRP's, 2 pick swaps and quality backup guard George Hill.

It is odd the Bucks never went after Chris Paul. I don't know if Giannis had something against him and particularly liked Jrue. I'm still befuddled as to why they paid such a steep price for him. I know they felt they had to trade Bledsoe, but this was an absurdly 1-sided trade.

Now to build a bench out of thin air. They'll need a talented carpenter.

If Giannis has basically agreed to an extension contingent on the Bucks making these moves, then it was a good move for Milwaukee. If Giannis is still in wait-and-see mode, then it's a bad move.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#967 » by nate33 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 1:59 pm

Does Milwaukee still have their 2020 1st (from Indiana)? That would help them get one more decent wing. A guy like Josh Green or Desmond Bane would be nice. Then use the Room Minimum on a defensive forward like Mo Harkless. Then the vet minimum on backup bigs and PGs. You can always find vets like Jeff Green and Javale McGee to eat up minutes.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#968 » by queridiculo » Tue Nov 17, 2020 2:56 pm

nate33 wrote:Does Milwaukee still have their 2020 1st (from Indiana)? That would help them get one more decent wing. A guy like Josh Green or Desmond Bane would be nice. Then use the Room Minimum on a defensive forward like Mo Harkless. Then the vet minimum on backup bigs and PGs. You can always find vets like Jeff Green and Javale McGee to eat up minutes.


RealGM future picks says they still have the 24th pick.

Trouble with grabbing some of these vets, a lot of those players choose between money and/or chasing playoff success.

If you have the choice to go to Miami, Los Angeles, or any major city on the eastern seaboard, would you pick Milwaukee of all places?
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#969 » by Rafael122 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:29 pm

queridiculo wrote:
nate33 wrote:Does Milwaukee still have their 2020 1st (from Indiana)? That would help them get one more decent wing. A guy like Josh Green or Desmond Bane would be nice. Then use the Room Minimum on a defensive forward like Mo Harkless. Then the vet minimum on backup bigs and PGs. You can always find vets like Jeff Green and Javale McGee to eat up minutes.


RealGM future picks says they still have the 24th pick.

Trouble with grabbing some of these vets, a lot of those players choose between money and/or chasing playoff success.

If you have the choice to go to Miami, Los Angeles, or any major city on the eastern seaboard, would you pick Milwaukee of all places?



The 24th pick went to the Pelicans.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#970 » by nate33 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:31 pm

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nate33 wrote:Does Milwaukee still have their 2020 1st (from Indiana)? That would help them get one more decent wing. A guy like Josh Green or Desmond Bane would be nice. Then use the Room Minimum on a defensive forward like Mo Harkless. Then the vet minimum on backup bigs and PGs. You can always find vets like Jeff Green and Javale McGee to eat up minutes.


RealGM future picks says they still have the 24th pick.

Trouble with grabbing some of these vets, a lot of those players choose between money and/or chasing playoff success.

If you have the choice to go to Miami, Los Angeles, or any major city on the eastern seaboard, would you pick Milwaukee of all places?

With a little depth, they're championship contenders, maybe even the favorites.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#971 » by nate33 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 3:49 pm

I think it would be a mistake for Brooklyn to go all in for James Harden. The deal being discussed is Levert, Allen, Dinwiddie three 1sts and two pick swaps.

The deal would gut their bench and jettison their best defensive players. Why? They don't really need Harden's offense that badly on a team with Kyrie and Durant. They'd be much better off spending a lot less to go after a complimentary piece like Covington.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#972 » by Ruzious » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:05 pm

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queridiculo wrote:
Ruzious wrote:Talking about all or nothing. The Jrue trade was insane - and I mean that literally. Now, they not only have to re-sign Giannis, but they also have to re-sign Jrue. And if they don't, it arguably becomes the single worst trade in NBA history. Also, they have dramatically increased the price it'll likely take to re-sign Jrue because of the leverage they've essentially gifted to him. Their payroll will be absurdly high next offseason... if things go as planned.

And the Bucks now have zero depth. Zippy. Nada.

And the Jrue trade was ALL about not having any faith that Bledsoe can play in the playoffs. But what had Jrue done to make them think it'll be any different for him? He's played in just 9 playoff games since 2015. Otherwise, he's essentially the same player as Bledsoe. But they gave up 3 FRP's, 2 pick swaps and quality backup guard George Hill.

It is odd the Bucks never went after Chris Paul. I don't know if Giannis had something against him and particularly liked Jrue. I'm still befuddled as to why they paid such a steep price for him. I know they felt they had to trade Bledsoe, but this was an absurdly 1-sided trade.

Now to build a bench out of thin air. They'll need a talented carpenter.


You've got to imagine that Team Giannis had significant input there and that the Bucks probably wouldn't have surrendered those picks if they didn't feel comfortable about the prospects of an extension.

With Bogdanovic in the fold things are starting to take shape for Milwaukee.

Is it enough?

These picks could well convey after Giannis is no longer with the team.

Not sure I've ever seen a team with literally no bench. It'll be interesting to see what they do to fix that - especially since they have zero draft picks on Wednesday.

Correction - NO gave them picks 42 and 60 in tomorrow's draft.
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Post#973 » by Ruzious » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:10 pm

nate33 wrote:I think it would be a mistake for Brooklyn to go all in for James Harden. The deal being discussed is Levert, Allen, Dinwiddie three 1sts and two pick swaps.

The deal would gut their bench and jettison their best defensive players. Why? They don't really need Harden's offense that badly on a team with Kyrie and Durant. They'd be much better off spending a lot less to go after a complimentary piece like Covington.

I'd go for it, because I'm not a big fan of Levert and Dinwiddie, and Allen's most likely leaving after this season. Levert is overpaid and seems soft to me - he's also an inefficient scorer. Dinwiddie's a little too clever for his own good and might have too big an ego to work as a lower level player on this team.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#974 » by Ruzious » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:20 pm

Rafael122 wrote:
queridiculo wrote:
nate33 wrote:Does Milwaukee still have their 2020 1st (from Indiana)? That would help them get one more decent wing. A guy like Josh Green or Desmond Bane would be nice. Then use the Room Minimum on a defensive forward like Mo Harkless. Then the vet minimum on backup bigs and PGs. You can always find vets like Jeff Green and Javale McGee to eat up minutes.


RealGM future picks says they still have the 24th pick.

Trouble with grabbing some of these vets, a lot of those players choose between money and/or chasing playoff success.

If you have the choice to go to Miami, Los Angeles, or any major city on the eastern seaboard, would you pick Milwaukee of all places?



The 24th pick went to the Pelicans.

You could say the Bucks moved down from 24 to 42 and 60 - as NO gave them those 2 2nds in the trade. The other 2 1sts the Bucks gave NO were UNPROTECTED 2025 and 2027. Welp, I hope we're all alive in 2027.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#975 » by nate33 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 6:40 pm

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nate33 wrote:I think it would be a mistake for Brooklyn to go all in for James Harden. The deal being discussed is Levert, Allen, Dinwiddie three 1sts and two pick swaps.

The deal would gut their bench and jettison their best defensive players. Why? They don't really need Harden's offense that badly on a team with Kyrie and Durant. They'd be much better off spending a lot less to go after a complimentary piece like Covington.

I'd go for it, because I'm not a big fan of Levert and Dinwiddie, and Allen's most likely leaving after this season. Levert is overpaid and seems soft to me - he's also an inefficient scorer. Dinwiddie's a little too clever for his own good and might have too big an ego to work as a lower level player on this team.

I just don't think the offensive skills of Kyrie and Harden are cumulative. They're both ball pounders.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#976 » by LyricalRico » Tue Nov 17, 2020 8:59 pm

nate33 wrote:I think it would be a mistake for Brooklyn to go all in for James Harden. The deal being discussed is Levert, Allen, Dinwiddie three 1sts and two pick swaps.

The deal would gut their bench and jettison their best defensive players. Why? They don't really need Harden's offense that badly on a team with Kyrie and Durant. They'd be much better off spending a lot less to go after a complimentary piece like Covington.


My first instinct is to agree with this because I don't think that group works well longterm. OTOH if/when it doesn't work they can still flip a guy like Kyrie for other stuff down the road. There are worse plans than acquiring superstar talent anytime it's available and then sorting it out later.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#977 » by nate33 » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:06 pm

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nate33 wrote:I think it would be a mistake for Brooklyn to go all in for James Harden. The deal being discussed is Levert, Allen, Dinwiddie three 1sts and two pick swaps.

The deal would gut their bench and jettison their best defensive players. Why? They don't really need Harden's offense that badly on a team with Kyrie and Durant. They'd be much better off spending a lot less to go after a complimentary piece like Covington.


My first instinct is to agree with this because I don't think that group works well longterm. OTOH if/when it doesn't work they can still flip a guy like Kyrie for other stuff down the road. There are worse plans than acquiring superstar talent anytime it's available and then sorting it out later.

Good point. Collect star talent, worry about the details later.

That said, I'm not so sure that Kyrie will have any trade value if things aren't going well in Brooklyn. It's a Catch-22. If the situation goes south and they need to make a trade to fix the chemistry, the very guy they would trade (Kyrie) will suddenly be untradeable. Kyrie has been a team cancer everywhere he has been, except when alongside Lebron.
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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#978 » by LyricalRico » Tue Nov 17, 2020 9:23 pm

nate33 wrote:
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nate33 wrote:I think it would be a mistake for Brooklyn to go all in for James Harden. The deal being discussed is Levert, Allen, Dinwiddie three 1sts and two pick swaps.

The deal would gut their bench and jettison their best defensive players. Why? They don't really need Harden's offense that badly on a team with Kyrie and Durant. They'd be much better off spending a lot less to go after a complimentary piece like Covington.


My first instinct is to agree with this because I don't think that group works well longterm. OTOH if/when it doesn't work they can still flip a guy like Kyrie for other stuff down the road. There are worse plans than acquiring superstar talent anytime it's available and then sorting it out later.

Good point. Collect star talent, worry about the details later.

That said, I'm not so sure that Kyrie will have any trade value if things aren't going well in Brooklyn. It's a Catch-22. If the situation goes south and they need to make a trade to fix the chemistry, the very guy they would trade (Kyrie) will suddenly be untradeable. Kyrie has been a team cancer everywhere he has been, except when alongside Lebron.


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Re: Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 7 

Post#979 » by Dark Faze » Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:13 am

Detroit just got #16 for a bag of chips.

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Post#980 » by LyricalRico » Thu Nov 19, 2020 2:06 am

Horford to OKC in a salary dump by Philly. He was always a bad fit there IMO, but maybe this is also them clearing their cap for Harden? For OKC, they get yet another pick and Horford is probably still movable to the right team.

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