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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:24 pm
by Ruzious
daoneandonly wrote:Pointgod wrote:verbal8 wrote:I really hope this comes back to hurt the GOP.
It will be really interesting if the Dem prevails in the GA Secretary of State run-off.
But please posters keep telling me how both parties are the same.
![:roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
This is why you need to vote Democrat down the ticket so stuff like this becomes illegal.
Yeah lets take the word of a guy who's twitter cover is as far left leaning as can be and quotes the Washington Post. Abrams needs to accept she lost and move on, but no, let's play the conspiracy and voter suppression card over and over, its the only way a Democrat can possibly lose
It's obvious to anyone who's objective that there was voter suppression - and it's absolutely sickening that stuff like that still happens.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:26 pm
by daoneandonly
JWizmentality wrote:dckingsfan wrote:JWizmentality wrote:It's also mocking modern day American "Christians"
Just the one's that aren't...
80%
Nice percentage there, is that the percentage of democrats that want handouts? That dont want to work hard for their place? hey at least its a lower percentage than the supposed 90% that have id's they can use at the polls to verify who they are, but no, lets throw logic out the window for the alleged 10% that cant attain an ID of some sort.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:29 pm
by daoneandonly
Ruzious wrote:daoneandonly wrote:Pointgod wrote:But please posters keep telling me how both parties are the same.
![:roll:](./images/smilies/icon_rolleyes.gif)
This is why you need to vote Democrat down the ticket so stuff like this becomes illegal.
Yeah lets take the word of a guy who's twitter cover is as far left leaning as can be and quotes the Washington Post. Abrams needs to accept she lost and move on, but no, let's play the conspiracy and voter suppression card over and over, its the only way a Democrat can possibly lose
It's obvious to anyone who's objective that there were voter suppression - and it's absolutely sickening that stuff like that still happens.
There's a solution that can lessen both voter suppression and voter fraud in one swoop, mandate photo id to vote. I dont see how someone who is in the system as a registered voter and has an ID that TSA deems okay to fly, that proves they are indeed the voter cna be suppressed. As long as the details match up
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:35 pm
by closg00
verbal8 wrote:Pointgod wrote:Scumbag Kemp will be certified Georgia Governor.
I really hope this comes back to hurt the GOP.
It will be really interesting if the Dem prevails in the GA Secretary of State run-off.
It was Kemp’s voter purge of several hundred thousand voters that helped him secure his razor thin victory. We all saw the video to the 92 y/o black woman who couldn’t vote cause POOF, her name had been purged, multiply that by the thousands and that is how Kemp became Gov. There were similar Republican dirty tricks deployed elsewhere like in ND where Republicans passed a law to make it harder for Native Americans to vote. This is what Republicans are going to do everywhere where their voting base is shrinking, keep reducing the Dem vote in every election as-long as they can keep getting away with it. F them.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:45 pm
by Ruzious
closg00 wrote:verbal8 wrote:Pointgod wrote:Scumbag Kemp will be certified Georgia Governor.
I really hope this comes back to hurt the GOP.
It will be really interesting if the Dem prevails in the GA Secretary of State run-off.
It was Kemp’s voter purge of several hundred thousand voters that helped him secure his razor thin victory. We all saw the video to the 92 y/o black woman who couldn’t vote cause POOF, her name had been purged, multiply that by the thousands and that is how Kemp became Gov. There were similar Republican dirty tricks deployed elsewhere like in ND where Republicans passed a law to make it harder for Native Americans to vote. This is what Republicans are going to do everywhere where their voting base is shrinking, keep reducing the Dem vote in every election as-long as they can keep getting away with it. F them.
That North Dakota suppression of voters - requiring a street address to vote while understanding that there weren't street addresses in native territories... we're a 3rd world country.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 3:54 pm
by Pointgod
closg00 wrote:verbal8 wrote:Pointgod wrote:Scumbag Kemp will be certified Georgia Governor.
I really hope this comes back to hurt the GOP.
It will be really interesting if the Dem prevails in the GA Secretary of State run-off.
It was Kemp’s voter purge of several hundred thousand voters that helped him secure his razor thin victory. We all saw the video to the 92 y/o black woman who couldn’t vote cause POOF, her name had been purged, multiply that by the thousands and that is how Kemp became Gov. There were similar Republican dirty tricks deployed elsewhere like in ND where Republicans passed a law to make it harder for Native Americans to vote. This is what Republicans are going to do everywhere where their voting base is shrinking, keep reducing the Dem vote in every election as-long as they can keep getting away with it. F them.
This is why it’s important that people stop naval gazing about the Democratic Party. Democracy it’s at deaths door because of Republicans vote Democrats straight up and down the ticket if you want things like this to change. Trump, Kemp, Scott all these guys will lie, cheat and steal to maintain power. No magical Democratic Party unicorn is going to change that. There’s a special election for Secretary of State in Georgia for Dec. 6. Are people going to wise up and go to the polls enmasse? Getting Republicans out of power is the only way to prevent all of this.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:10 pm
by dobrojim
TGW wrote:Wow. If that P.O.S. Trump doesn't sanction them, then he is the most corrupt president of modern day times:
It gets worse.
Now we have reports as well the the Trumpsters want to placate
the Saudis which they will attempt to do by turning over the Turkish
cleric now living in PA to the Turks in hopes that that will convince the
Turks to just let bygones by bygones re Kashoggi.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:22 pm
by Pointgod
Here’s another example of terrible Liberal policies oh wait.....
https://timesofsandiego.com/politics/2018/11/18/extraordinary-30-billion-budget-surplus-will-greet-incoming-gov-newsom/That’s because he’ll also inherit a $200-billion plus budget that, as it turns out, is in “remarkably good shape” heading into the coming year, with nearly $30 billion in combined reserves and unexpected tax revenue, the Legislative Analyst’s Office reported Wednesday.
Eight years ago, when Brown was governor-elect, California was mired in a recession. The state faced a $27 billion budget deficit. Some experts doubted that California could remain solvent.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:23 pm
by gtn130
Pointgod wrote:closg00 wrote:verbal8 wrote:I really hope this comes back to hurt the GOP.
It will be really interesting if the Dem prevails in the GA Secretary of State run-off.
It was Kemp’s voter purge of several hundred thousand voters that helped him secure his razor thin victory. We all saw the video to the 92 y/o black woman who couldn’t vote cause POOF, her name had been purged, multiply that by the thousands and that is how Kemp became Gov. There were similar Republican dirty tricks deployed elsewhere like in ND where Republicans passed a law to make it harder for Native Americans to vote. This is what Republicans are going to do everywhere where their voting base is shrinking, keep reducing the Dem vote in every election as-long as they can keep getting away with it. F them.
This is why it’s important that people stop naval gazing about the Democratic Party. Democracy it’s at deaths door because of Republicans vote Democrats straight up and down the ticket if you want things like this to change. Trump, Kemp, Scott all these guys will lie, cheat and steal to maintain power. No magical Democratic Party unicorn is going to change that. There’s a special election for Secretary of State in Georgia for Dec. 6. Are people going to wise up and go to the polls enmasse? Getting Republicans out of power is the only way to prevent all of this.
Yes but remember Hillary's emails? Hillary and Trump are basically the same and nobody should vote until we have a candidate who passes my liberal purity test
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:24 pm
by gtn130
TGW wrote:Wow. If that P.O.S. Trump doesn't sanction them, then he is the most corrupt president of modern day times:
remember when you didn't vote for Hillary cause she's just as bad
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:26 pm
by dobrojim
Pointgod wrote:
One of the things the left needs to to is to let the right continue to frame narratives around politics. The right wing media has managed to turn Pelosi into some political cudgel and right wing boogie man. News flash no matter who the Democrats choose they’ll demonize them. Look how hard they’ve gone after Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, she’s a freshman congresswoman for Christ’s sakes.
Nancy Pelosi is one of the most effective legislators, she just won back the House in a historic fashion (make no mistake the strategy was all hers) and at some point you’ll actually have to legislate (not just resist) which requires experience and political savvy. Paul Ryan is the most useless speaker of the house in recent memory and he doesn’t get even 1/100 of the vitriol that Pelosi gets, despite being a moral coward and never living up to his claim of being a policy wonk.
One thing I do agree with is that leadership needs to develop their bench and needs to work together with more junior representatives. The Democrats have diverse representation and Leadership needs to reflect that. That’s the part that I’m on board with as far as making noise but removing Pelosi for no reason seems to be ass backwards to me.
There was the legend Paul Ryan, born in his own mind and
in conservative media, and there is the real Paul Ryan
who lied about things as trivial and demonstrably false
as how fast he could run a marathon.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 4:41 pm
by gtn130
dobrojim wrote:Pointgod wrote:
One of the things the left needs to to is to let the right continue to frame narratives around politics. The right wing media has managed to turn Pelosi into some political cudgel and right wing boogie man. News flash no matter who the Democrats choose they’ll demonize them. Look how hard they’ve gone after Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, she’s a freshman congresswoman for Christ’s sakes.
Nancy Pelosi is one of the most effective legislators, she just won back the House in a historic fashion (make no mistake the strategy was all hers) and at some point you’ll actually have to legislate (not just resist) which requires experience and political savvy. Paul Ryan is the most useless speaker of the house in recent memory and he doesn’t get even 1/100 of the vitriol that Pelosi gets, despite being a moral coward and never living up to his claim of being a policy wonk.
One thing I do agree with is that leadership needs to develop their bench and needs to work together with more junior representatives. The Democrats have diverse representation and Leadership needs to reflect that. That’s the part that I’m on board with as far as making noise but removing Pelosi for no reason seems to be ass backwards to me.
There was the legend Paul Ryan, born in his own mind and
in conservative media, and there is the real Paul Ryan
who lied about things as trivial and demonstrably false
as how fast he could run a marathon.
The mask has been ripped off of the conservative movement, and the earnest high-minded small government types barely even exist. People like Paul Ryan are liars and their mission is to tear down government institutions that get in the way of corporate profits. This isn't even debatable.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:32 pm
by daoneandonly
gtn130 wrote:TGW wrote:Wow. If that P.O.S. Trump doesn't sanction them, then he is the most corrupt president of modern day times:
remember when you didn't vote for Hillary cause she's just as bad
Remember when Hillary and her hubby gladly took money for their BS charity from this heartless, immoral regime, but yeah, we can ignore that, because the liberals want their cake and eat it too.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:37 pm
by daoneandonly
gtn130 wrote:dobrojim wrote:Pointgod wrote:
One of the things the left needs to to is to let the right continue to frame narratives around politics. The right wing media has managed to turn Pelosi into some political cudgel and right wing boogie man. News flash no matter who the Democrats choose they’ll demonize them. Look how hard they’ve gone after Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, she’s a freshman congresswoman for Christ’s sakes.
Nancy Pelosi is one of the most effective legislators, she just won back the House in a historic fashion (make no mistake the strategy was all hers) and at some point you’ll actually have to legislate (not just resist) which requires experience and political savvy. Paul Ryan is the most useless speaker of the house in recent memory and he doesn’t get even 1/100 of the vitriol that Pelosi gets, despite being a moral coward and never living up to his claim of being a policy wonk.
One thing I do agree with is that leadership needs to develop their bench and needs to work together with more junior representatives. The Democrats have diverse representation and Leadership needs to reflect that. That’s the part that I’m on board with as far as making noise but removing Pelosi for no reason seems to be ass backwards to me.
There was the legend Paul Ryan, born in his own mind and
in conservative media, and there is the real Paul Ryan
who lied about things as trivial and demonstrably false
as how fast he could run a marathon.
The mask has been ripped off of the conservative movement, and the earnest high-minded small government types barely even exist. People like Paul Ryan are liars and their mission is to tear down government institutions that get in the way of corporate profits. This isn't even debatable.
Or maybe tear down freebies that 97% of Americans dont use but have to pay for. I mean you guys are the party that keeps preaching majority, the popular vote, California should have more senators than anyone else due to population, but things where the majority ppl have valid IDs they can show to vote or dont use sorry government funded things like PP, those metrics of majority are irrelevant, because the cake eat argument that works so well with progressives/liberals.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:37 pm
by gtn130
daoneandonly wrote:Remember when Hillary and her hubby gladly took money for their BS charity from this heartless, immoral regime, but yeah, we can ignore that, because the liberals want their cake and eat it too.
Yes because those two things are the same lmao
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:40 pm
by daoneandonly
gtn130 wrote:daoneandonly wrote:Remember when Hillary and her hubby gladly took money for their BS charity from this heartless, immoral regime, but yeah, we can ignore that, because the liberals want their cake and eat it too.
Yes because those two things are the same lmao
You can use your high school "lmao" short hand all you want, those two corrupt politicians took money from vile, heartless regime and made no bones about it, acted as if they were in the right, but you guys keep ignoring that. At least a good chunk of Republicans can criticize our own, many of us have doen so with trump, and did so with Bush/Chaney for the iraq War, but on your side, all Dems are squeaky clean innocent and perfect.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:43 pm
by gtn130
daoneandonly wrote:gtn130 wrote:daoneandonly wrote:Remember when Hillary and her hubby gladly took money for their BS charity from this heartless, immoral regime, but yeah, we can ignore that, because the liberals want their cake and eat it too.
Yes because those two things are the same lmao
You can use your high school "lmao" short hand all you want, those two corrupt politicians took money from vile, heartless regime and made no bones about it, acted as if they were in the right, but you guys keep ignoring that. At least a good chunk of Republicans can criticize our own, many of us have doen so with trump, and did so with Bush/Chaney for the iraq War, but on your side, all Dems are squeaky clean innocent and perfect.
Buddy, there is nuance in this world we live in.
Hillary being friendly with SA and taking their money is bad!
Trump taking money from SA and MBS then playing dumb about murdering a WaPo journalist and functionally defending it is
way worse!
Two things can be bad and also not equally bad. I know it's tough, man, but try.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:48 pm
by daoneandonly
gtn130 wrote:daoneandonly wrote:gtn130 wrote:
Yes because those two things are the same lmao
You can use your high school "lmao" short hand all you want, those two corrupt politicians took money from vile, heartless regime and made no bones about it, acted as if they were in the right, but you guys keep ignoring that. At least a good chunk of Republicans can criticize our own, many of us have doen so with trump, and did so with Bush/Chaney for the iraq War, but on your side, all Dems are squeaky clean innocent and perfect.
Buddy, there is nuance in this world we live in.
Hillary being friendly with SA and taking their money is bad!
Trump taking money from SA and MBS then playing dumb about murdering a WaPo journalist and functionally defending it is
way worse!
Two things can be bad and also not equally bad. I know it's tough, man, but try.
And if Hillary wasn't a joke and won the election, she'd have the exact same response to SA, nothing, nada zilch. Cause they gave her foundation a good chunk of dinero, so they're teflon. The only difference is, Trump won, so we get to witness his BS in living color.
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:53 pm
by gtn130
daoneandonly wrote:And if Hillary wasn't a joke and won the election, she'd have the exact same response to SA, nothing, nada zilch. Cause they gave her foundation a good chunk of dinero, so they're teflon. The only difference is, Trump won, so we get to witness his BS in living color.
That's pure speculation and actually entirely unlikely. She is 100% a member of the foreign policy establishment, and she was, uh, you know, Secretary of State, so we kind of do in fact have an understanding of how she would operate, and it would be nothing like Trump.
And now you're defending Trump by saying Hillary would be...the same?
The thing we're talking about is defending the murder of a WaPo journalist, something that is morally reprehensible and fundamentally unacceptable. You should be outraged!
Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIII
Posted: Mon Nov 19, 2018 5:57 pm
by daoneandonly
gtn130 wrote:daoneandonly wrote:And if Hillary wasn't a joke and won the election, she'd have the exact same response to SA, nothing, nada zilch. Cause they gave her foundation a good chunk of dinero, so they're teflon. The only difference is, Trump won, so we get to witness his BS in living color.
That's pure speculation and actually entirely unlikely. She is 100% a member of the foreign policy establishment, and she was, uh, you know, Secretary of State, so we kind of do in fact have an understanding of how she would operate, and it would be nothing like Trump.
And now you're defending Trump by saying Hillary would be...the same?
The thing we're talking about is defending the murder of a WaPo journalist, something that is morally reprehensible and fundamentally unacceptable. You should be outraged!
Defending how? I said we have to witness his BS because he won, far from defending him.
Yes Hillary was SoS, meaning we know how immoral she can be, i.e Benghazi and the unnecessary invasion in Libya