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If you had to trade one of Wall, Beal and Porter - who would you choose?

Wall, but given his contract the likelihood of that happening is rather slim.

Wall. No question.

He's older and more expensive. And by trading him, there would be a grace period in which the team could tank and add some more talent. If you trade Beal or Porter, it doesn't take any pressure off the "win now" mindset, meaning EG would continue to sacrifice long-term assets for short-term gain.

Also, and I could be wrong about this, I get the impression that Wall is the ultimate source of the team's overconfidence and belief that they're a contender. This team needs a bit more humility and a better understanding that they're not good enough to play at 75% and still beat bad teams.

Trading Wall would hopefully re-establish the "everybody eats" mindset we saw last season. While it's obvious the team sans Wall lacked the talent to get anywhere in the playoffs, at least they demonstrated some good habits that they could hopefully build upon when the team later found additional talent. Better to play "the right way" like Brooklyn or Atlanta while trying to accumulate talent, than it is to have talent but squander it, like Washington or OKC.

Well you know who the front office is trading first so...

Trading Wall is a fair thought. A team led by Beal however seems destined to be pretty mediocre.

Taking shots in the draft is IMO the quickest add top level talent going forward so I would say the player that can get us the highest pick the draft is the one I'd look to move.

Last year the Memphis' pick was definitely available if anyone was willing to take Chandler Parsons' last two years. Sacramento has a high potential to do something nutty every year. Word is Divac craves a star.

So I think opportunities will be there. The better question is when:

A. Do you ride the season out. Go for the inevitable 2nd round exit and blow everything up after the lottery?

B. Wait till Dec 15 when the trade market opens up due to recently signed players can be traded and blow it up b/w then and the trade deadline. Maybe end up with a higher draft pick because of it.

C. Go all in on someone like J. Butler to try to get the most our of this season and again blow it up in the offseason.

Another related question is, which player would you least want to trade?

For me, it's Beal. I know his lack of consistency on his jumper is extremely frustrating for a so-called "shooter", but I really get a sense that he has a great work ethic and I like his unflappable even-keeled demeanor on the court. Statistically, he may not show improvement every year, but by my "eye test", I think he has. He has steadily improved his ball-handling, passing, defense and decision-making even if it isn't always reflected by the box score.

I think a team can win a title with Beal as their 3rd best player, and I'm pretty confident he'll improve to the point where he can be the 2nd best player on a title team. I'm not sure I can say the same about Porter's upside.

Regarding Wall, I fear his inefficiency will forever be his Achilles heel. I think he can make a bad team good but he'll never make a good team great. He's a little too much Russell Westbrook and not enough Jason Kidd.

I think if we could get a "fair" return for value, Wall should go. His personality seems a poor fit for an alpha but with another player established in that role, his competitiveness might be channelled more positively.

However, considering the realities of the market, the only one of the 3 we are likely to get a "good" return on (higher than I value them) is Beal. Porter is the only one with room to improve significantly (not saying he will, just that he could) so I would keep him and increase his role (and move him to PF, especially if you think he isn't breaking down opposing SFs or bustin open; at PF he's playing slower opponents).

But, it depends on what is being offered.

Where is D...all of the above

1. Wall
2. Otto
3. Beal

I picked Beal, b/c I don't think Wall can be traded; no one will want that contract.

Beal over Porter, b/c IMO he will bring more in return, even though Porter is the better player (despite the slow start...).

I picked Wall, we need a new PG and GM to start the rebuild

dckingsfan wrote:If you had to trade one of Wall, Beal and Porter - who would you choose?

EASY

WALL.

Why? (1)R.O.I.-- RETURN on Investment. John can fetch the most in trade. Any trade involving John will be YUGE.

If the Wizards are a struggling East team, John is just a guy. Trade him.

(2) Age/mileage or wear and tear. Knee surgery? Already 28 years old at PG. Plays fast. Oh, hell he might be injured like Gilbert. Then what?

(3) Porter is overpaid. So is Beal. But so is super max John. There are better PGs coming out of college every year. I'd take SGA over JW right now... JOHN is most overrated and overpaid and he's got an ego.

Wall deserves to win.

NOW

LAKERS, Rockets, ? , ....



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Dat2U wrote:Well you know who the front office is trading first so...

Trading Wall is a fair thought. A team led by Beal however seems destined to be pretty mediocre.

Taking shots in the draft is IMO the quickest add top level talent going forward so I would say the player that can get us the highest pick the draft is the one I'd look to move.

Last year the Memphis' pick was definitely available if anyone was willing to take Chandler Parsons' last two years. Sacramento has a high potential to do something nutty every year. Word is Divac craves a star.

So I think opportunities will be there. The better question is when:

A. Do you ride the season out. Go for the inevitable 2nd round exit and blow everything up after the lottery?

B. Wait till Dec 15 when the trade market opens up due to recently signed players can be traded and blow it up b/w then and the trade deadline. Maybe end up with a higher draft pick because of it.

C. Go all in on someone like J. Butler to try to get the most our of this season and again blow it up in the offseason.

Otto Porter

Cuz they so stooopeed

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nate33 wrote:Another related question is, which player would you least want to trade?

For me, it's Beal. I know his lack of consistency on his jumper is extremely frustrating for a so-called "shooter", but I really get a sense that he has a great work ethic and I like his unflappable even-keeled demeanor on the court. Statistically, he may not show improvement every year, but by my "eye test", I think he has. He has steadily improved his ball-handling, passing, defense and decision-making even if it isn't always reflected by the box score.

I think a team can win a title with Beal as their 3rd best player, and I'm pretty confident he'll improve to the point where he can be the 2nd best player on a title team. I'm not sure I can say the same about Porter's upside.

Regarding Wall, I fear his inefficiency will forever be his Achilles heel. I think he can make a bad team good but he'll never make a good team great. He's a little too much Russell Westbrook and not enough Jason Kidd.

In my opinion, Wall's true Achilles' heel isn't necessarily his inefficiency, but rather his inability to space the floor and play off the ball. It demands that his teammates be off-ball players who can cut and shoot in order to maximize his individual impact. But from a team standpoint, that doesn't maximize the impact of everyone else.

The Wizards should keep Satoransky and Wall on the floor as the starter in the backcourt with Beal in a sixth man Lou Williams role.

It will NEVER HAPPEN. Contract is paying Beal all world money.

With Satoransky and Wall on the court to start the game--even if Brad comes in anywhere from the 4 to 6 minute point--the Wizards are going to be in EVERY BODY EATS, position-less basketball mode.

Brooks is paid $7M. I'm just a guy. Disabled with bipolar and PTSD. I am not an authority on things basketball. However, I have an authoritative POV and a high IQ.

It is frustrating for me to see my life passing away with my interest on random rants.

This thread says trade ONE.

if EG doesn't acquire another frail, injured, "veteran" center things might be totally different. Trade none different.

As is, trade Scotty B. Weak leadership faults others for their own lack of understanding and competence.

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I’d send out Porter for Butler if possible, if he’d resign with us.

Porter is going to be next to impossible to trade, and despite the intangibles the kid isn’t a max player. He has no passion.

Butler plays hard as hell.....I doubt any team is foolish enough to actually trade for Porter’s insane contract however.

payitforward wrote:I picked Beal, b/c I don't think Wall can be traded; no one will want that contract.

Beal over Porter, b/c IMO he will bring more in return, even though Porter is the better player (despite the slow start...).

We're the only 2 out of the first 25 votes - and for the same reasons.

This one is pretty easy, John Wall.

I would trade Scott and Ernie!!!

lebron stopper wrote:In my opinion, Wall's true Achilles' heel isn't necessarily his inefficiency, but rather his inability to space the floor and play off the ball. It demands that his teammates be off-ball players who can cut and shoot in order to maximize his individual impact. But from a team standpoint, that doesn't maximize the impact of everyone else.

Absolutely. And he doesn't even need to develop much of a jumper; it's finding a way to play off the ball that matters most with him. JJ Reddick mentioned it about Ben Simmons last season and Simmons seems to be pushing on that end. A jumper helps, obviously, but it doesn't have to be that, or only that, or a 3-point shot - there are other ways to play off the ball by moving around and being a secondary facilitator. Wall just doesn't do that, really, and that absolutely limits what other players on the team can do and also causes problems if Wall ever has to miss time because the entire team then needs to shift to compensate.