This roster is butt

[Dark Faze]

Kelly Oubre isn't good. He just isn't. And he's getting 27 minutes a night. Can't hit threes. That's just a given now after 4 seasons of sub 35% from deep. 11 shots a night on 41% shooting. Don't get me wrong, he should start next to Porter and Dwight, but he's not good.

Markieff Morris is not good. Doesn't rebound. Defensively he sucks. These were known quantities. He's a backup small ball center in todays NBA. Instead, Brooks has him as our starting PF. Can't hedge for ****, has no lateral speed, can't pickup guards at all on the switch.

Austin Rivers is absolute butt. This was known. We all hoped he wouldn't get so many minutes. He should be benched yesterday and all his minutes given to Brown Jr for developmental purposes.

Obviously, Mahinmi and Jason Smith are butt.

Satoransky is a terrible fit with the current bench roster. His skills just won't showcase with that unit, and Brooks doesn't trust him to get much if any run with the starters anymore.

Jeff Green can't space. Hasn't shot it well from 3 in half a decade.

Jury is still out on Dwight.

i dunno lads, i just dunno

[queridiculo]

I'd call the Kings right now and offer them a deal of Oubre, Morris and a bit of filler to absorb those guys into their salary cap space.

That way at least the team doesn't have to dip into repeater tax status.

I'd start I'd start Green and have Porter and him split the minutes at the position and would thrust the rookie into the lineup as a small forward when Porter moves to the four.

The rook is going to make mistakes and Green isn't any better than Morris but at least we can expect to get consistent effort out of those two.

Give Robinson a chance to earn some minutes in the rotation as well.

The Wizards aren't any good with those two wannabe's in the lineup, they can't be any worse with the alternatives.

The deepest roster ever, right Leonsis? Grunfeld isn't to blame am I right?

Get the **** out of here.

[Dark Faze]

I'd call the Kings right now and offer them a deal of Oubre, Morris and a bit of filler to absorb those guys into their salary cap space.

Yeah, I'd be happy with a decent second rounder and an expiring for the combo. Devin Robinson should be called up ASAP. The only guys in the rotation that have the potential for an extension imo are Green and Rivers. Both because they should be getting vet mins. I'd consider bringing back Green, but there's no amount that I'd pay to Rivers. I think even Ernie will be hard pressed to justify extending him if his numbers don't improve, which I doubt they do significantly.

Which would mean we need at minimum to replace something like 85 minutes in the rotation between Kieff/Rivers/Sato/Oubre departures. The team will be 117 million with just Wall/Beal/Otto/Dwight/Brown/Mahinmi.

Ernie has ruined this teams salary situation as well as limited the talent we should have had during this rebuild. I don't know how Ted justifies keeping him this summer.

[closg00]

...yet this is supposedly a 50 win roster. Brooks will take the fall

[Jimmy Recard]

Keef had that one good stretch 2 years ago right after he was listed 30th best PF in the league...it lasted maybe a month at best before he reverted back to not giving a sh*t. What's worse is it seems like his toxicity has infected the rest of the team, especially Wall. That and having a spineless coach who doesn't hold his vets accountable for anything certainly doesn't help. Of course, I have no idea what really goes on in that locker room, just calling it like I see it.

I've really soured on Oubre as well. It's been pretty clear this season that he's more interested in padding his numbers and playing for his next contract. I feel sorry for whoever overpays him next year.

[JWizmentality]

Yup time to blow this up. No one on this team is even likeable.

[djsunyc]

have to be disappointed in wall. the supermax guy is showing absolutely ZERO leadership skills and competetive fire.

[Jamaaliver]

Yup time to blow this up. No one on this team is even likeable.

I assume you guys have already discussed this potential barrier to moving your highest paid player:

Trade Kicker Makes Trading John Wall Before 19-20 Problematic For Wizards

While John Wall is the Washington Wizards' franchise player, he is also on one of the NBA's biggest contracts. A trade of Wall could be the only option available to the Wizards to shake up their roster in a meaningful way.

The Wizards, however, are unlikely to trade Wall before July 1st due to the financial complexities in doing so. Wall has a 15 percent trade kicker, which is believed to be the first trade kicker that would be spread over the length of a supermax contract.

Because trade kickers cannot lift a player's salary above his maximum in the year he is traded, Wall's payout could shrink if he's traded in 19-20 once he shifts onto his supermax.

If the Wizards were to trade Wall before then, they could possibly owe him a giant lump sum.
The Phoenix Suns have long been mentioned as a possible destination for Wall.

Via Zach Lowe/ESPN

RealGM

[nate33]

The same team won 49 games two seasons ago, and 43 games last year with Wall missing half the season. They didn't suddenly become untalented. The problem is execution, not talent. I don't know who to blame or if the situation is salvageable, but I do think it's unwise to recklessly blow it up by "selling low" right now.

I'd certainly be quietly shopping Wall to see if there's interest. But beyond that, I think most other trades aren't going to help much. Maybe we can find an addition by subtraction deal where we ship out Morris and/or Rivers for an expiring contract who might help shake up the locker room dynamics a bit.

[djsunyc]

have to be disappointed in wall. the supermax guy is showing absolutely ZERO leadership skills and competetive fire.

i should also add that beal was flexing his muscles after a scored basket in the 1st quarter vs the knicks. he shows like zero leadership qualities as well.

[pcbothwel]

Ehhh. This roster is overpaid and under performing... The Magic & Cavs roster is butt. lol

Sell high on Beal, Oubre, & Morris... possibly Dwight if he shows more by the deadline.

I hold on to Otto unless we are compensated based on his prior 2 years and not his slow start.

Same with Wall. He looks unfocused and somewhat erratic... but he looks to be fast, strong, and playing better defense... I dont take on bad contracts to dump him

[Sactowndog]

I’m sure the Kings are willing to talk. We need a starting caliber 3. Not sure Oubre is that player as he can’t hit the 3 point shot but we certainly have enough cap space to get you out of the tax.

[Dat2U]

The same team won 49 games two seasons ago, and 43 games last year with Wall missing half the season. They didn't suddenly become untalented. The problem is execution, not talent. I don't know who to blame or if the situation is salvageable, but I do think it's unwise to recklessly blow it up by "selling low" right now.

I'd certainly be quietly shopping Wall to see if there's interest. But beyond that, I think most other trades aren't going to help much. Maybe we can find an addition by subtraction deal where we ship out Morris and/or Rivers for an expiring contract who might help shake up the locker room dynamics a bit.

Agreed.

I swear half the board just can't wait to literally go through the same thing we went through since 2009...

Another Ernie Grunfeld blow up and rebuild job. It's something i really want no part of. Rebuilds are painful enough to endure but with this GM its unfathomable.

Now I'm open for doing something but not anything.

And frankly I have no problem standing pat for now. I wish I knew what the real issue is. Like you said it's not talent but I wonder if it's a coach vs players or player vs player dispute that is behind the disastrous beginning.

[Sactowndog]

I'd call the Kings right now and offer them a deal of Oubre, Morris and a bit of filler to absorb those guys into their salary cap space.

Yeah, I'd be happy with a decent second rounder and an expiring for the combo. Devin Robinson should be called up ASAP. The only guys in the rotation that have the potential for an extension imo are Green and Rivers. Both because they should be getting vet mins. I'd consider bringing back Green, but there's no amount that I'd pay to Rivers. I think even Ernie will be hard pressed to justify extending him if his numbers don't improve, which I doubt they do significantly.

Which would mean we need at minimum to replace something like 85 minutes in the rotation between Kieff/Rivers/Sato/Oubre departures. The team will be 117 million with just Wall/Beal/Otto/Dwight/Brown/Mahinmi.

Ernie has ruined this teams salary situation as well as limited the talent we should have had during this rebuild. I don't know how Ted justifies keeping him this summer.

Trade 1:
Out: Oubre, Morris,
In: Skal, high second

Tax savings 10.3M this year but doesn’t help you next year.

Trade 2:
Out: Mahinmi, Porter, Filler
In: Randolph, Shumpert, Koufos, Giles, High second

This trade gets you reduces salary this and next and allows you to find a player in free agency

[closg00]

Small good news, Smith and Rivers will be off the roster next year and we add another draft piece

[nate33]

Small good news, Smith and Rivers will be off the roster next year and we add another draft piece

Morris too.

[Duffman100]

Sorry guys. As a Raptors fan, I know this type of pain all too well.

Hope you guys start to see some uptick!

[pcbothwel]

I'd call the Kings right now and offer them a deal of Oubre, Morris and a bit of filler to absorb those guys into their salary cap space.

Yeah, I'd be happy with a decent second rounder and an expiring for the combo. Devin Robinson should be called up ASAP. The only guys in the rotation that have the potential for an extension imo are Green and Rivers. Both because they should be getting vet mins. I'd consider bringing back Green, but there's no amount that I'd pay to Rivers. I think even Ernie will be hard pressed to justify extending him if his numbers don't improve, which I doubt they do significantly.

Which would mean we need at minimum to replace something like 85 minutes in the rotation between Kieff/Rivers/Sato/Oubre departures. The team will be 117 million with just Wall/Beal/Otto/Dwight/Brown/Mahinmi.

Ernie has ruined this teams salary situation as well as limited the talent we should have had during this rebuild. I don't know how Ted justifies keeping him this summer.

Trade 1:
Out: Oubre, Morris,
In: Skal, high second

Tax savings 10.3M this year but doesn’t help you next year.

Trade 2:
Out: Mahinmi, Porter, Filler
In: Randolph, Shumpert, Koufos, Giles, High second

This trade gets you reduces salary this and next and allows you to find a player in free agency

You have to pick a goal... I.E. If the Wiz choose to keep the core together, but want to get under tax then maybe you're first trade SOMEWHAT makes sense...thought its an overpay... But then you follow that up with a another dump...
Not Happening.

We may trade Beal or Otto in a retooling effort, but we wont compound that with dumping positive assets like Oubre to save a few Mil... doesnt make sense.

Also, any trade to dump salary happens at the last minute of the deadline for 2 reasons.
1) The later the trade, the less salary owed to the player and therefore less we need to give up to dump them
2) We have to see our tax situation after any trade of our core pieces.

I sell high on Beal, Oubre, and Morris (Probably 2 separate trades) with two goals:
1) Get at least 1 premium pick
2) Cut 5M+ in salary while keeping same roster size

I think Houston, Denver & NOP look real interesting for Oubre, and NOP & Philly for Beal

Philly gets me Zhaire Smith, Bolden, their 2019 1st and Miami 2021 1st for Beal & Morris
Oubre gets me a 2020 pick

Compliment Wall & Otto with Brown, Sato, Zhaire, and 2 1st in each of the next 3 drafts... Also doesnt preclude me from trading Wall or Otto at a later date.

[Dark Faze]

Trade 1:
Out: Oubre, Morris,
In: Skal, high second

Tax savings 10.3M this year but doesn’t help you next year.

Trade 2:
Out: Mahinmi, Porter, Filler
In: Randolph, Shumpert, Koufos, Giles, High second

This trade gets you reduces salary this and next and allows you to find a player in free agency

Yea, if that's the best that's on offer by the deadline I'd pull the trigger on Trade 1. Not ready to trade Porter yet.

[queridiculo]

Small good news, Smith and Rivers will be off the roster next year and we add another draft piece

Morris too.

What scares me about Morris is that Grunfeld may not be able to help himself and use the cap savings from stretching Mahinmi to extend Morris.