Political Roundtable Part XXIV

[Pointgod]

I live in DC but i travel around the world for work. I have conversations with people from all over while trying to not share my position (I’m there for work but you gotta mingle and trump/politics always comes up). I’m often just listening facilitating conversations and trying to keep them civil. I have a lot of friends and colleges that support trump and i have not heard ONE of them give a coherent argument defending the criminal things he is being accused of. I actually dont know how you defend the Russian situation. The fact that his lawyer used his money to pay off a porn star. The fact that he played them about the wall...and that when he KNOWS he cant get it passed he decided to go nuclear on the issue (but not while he owned the house and senate). I can respect a good arguement but please give me one defense of these actions that doesnt point to Hillarys emails or them DAMN LEFTYS...or the media or anyone other than Trump...sorry man...its a cult. If you cant be objective and your leader can do NO wrong....it sounds like a cult.

There are two types of Trump supporters. One is the STD type acolyte that proudly laps up what **** Trump sprays. He can do no wrong. These are the soy bean farmers that still support Trump despite the fact his tariffs are killing their livelihood. They’re MAGA zombies with zero critical thought.

Then there’s the supporters who weakly shake their head about him being on Twitter but don’t really give a ****. These are the Poppers of the world who are comfortable financially and don’t feel any of the effects of his policies. For these people it’s all about the ideology. For them there really is no limit regarding how far the country could sink because these people would sell their mothers for a Supreme Court seat. I’m sure these people were doing very well under Obama but according to them he destroyed the economy. I suspect that these are the people dc knows. They somehow rationalize their support for Trump but they’re no better than the Trump cult.

We agree on type 1 (BTW, many of this group use to be Ds)

Then there is type 2, which I see as: They don't like him on Twitter but they look at SCOTUS, taxes, immigration and government overreach. They remember the Rs of the Obama administration (not very long ago) that constrained spending. These are the Will Hurd's of the world.

And don't forget the third group of Rs. The never Trumpers that didn't vote for him or support him. We casually dismiss them.

I believe a one party system is worse than a two party system. I am hoping that the Rs rebuild under the Will Hurd's of the world.

Beto and Will took a long road trip together where Beto was eviscerated for spending so much time with an R. His response: "If we both just go to our corners … and refuse to engage, and just repeat the political talking points from our two parties, then nothing is going to change."

And like it or not, that is where we are at - nothing is going to change until 1) Trump is gone and 2) The two parties engage.

Check out the Senate - is it going to roll in 2020?

I agree with your analysis except I think that Hurd is probably in the never Trump camp he’s just politically a coward to come out and say it. He’s the type of Republican that needs to wipe out the tea party crazies and Trump sycophants. Every time I’ve seen him talk about immigration his responses have been well informed and completely reasonable. Not just lying and parroting Trumps bull. Even though I’d disagree with him on a lot of policy topics he seems like a stand up guy. It’s a shame that Beto got flack for reaching across he aisle with him because he’s the type of Republican that Democrats can work with.

[queridiculo]

Now your posts are literally effing the board up

Eh, just think of std as a breitbart aggregation service to remind you of what's going on in the derposphere.

[dobrojim]

during the confirmation hearing, corey booker was able to tease out from barr a quasi-admission that mass incarceration has harmed the black community, and i think i believe him. it was a heavily qualified response that wouldn't ring rather cowardly coming from a sane human being but coming from the boomer former AG who dedicated most of his life to enacting and promulgating mass incarceration, i'm counting it as a positive. could be worse. already better than sessions, but don't hold your breath. he could just be paying lip service, and we should judge him on his actions, but under this administration, even being able to say the politically savvy/sane things in a confirmation hearing is a relatively high bar[r] (pun intended)

Barr is on record as having praised Sessions as an outstanding AG. This alone, in saner times and
in the absence of a GOP senate majority, would be disqualifying.

[Zonkerbl]

oh yeah what are Barr's views on marijuana legalization? I'm so distracted by the Mueller stuff I didn't even think about it

[Wizardspride]

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[dckingsfan]

When I talked to her - I told her all the $$s should go to Houston...

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[Pointgod]

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Open up government so Congress can investigate!

[TGW]

@TGW - this with the misogynistic tenor of his last campaign - does that hurt him.

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See Doug_Blew's response...

so to answer your question...no. Especially when you know the context behind it.

[Pointgod]

Oh look it’s everones favorite cl Russia apologist going on a white nationalists show to defend the homophobic words of a trash candidate.

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Oh look it’s everones favorite cl Russia apologist going on a white nationalists show to defend the homophobic words of a trash candidate.

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It's funny how Tulsi Gabbard suddenly became this progressive champion....

[Pointgod]

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Oh look it’s everones favorite cl Russia apologist going on a white nationalists show to defend the homophobic words of a trash candidate.

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It's funny how Tulsi Gabbard suddenly became this progressive champion....

She was an early supporter of Bernie so of course the Bernie cult(Bernie Stans not the man himself) loves her despite the fact she’d miserably fail any Progressive litmus test.

[Pointgod]

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This is all the matters. He’ll get confirmed but Democrats better raise hell and put his ability to be impartial in question.

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The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents

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The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents

So how does this get spun as a Deep State Witch Hunt?

It’s concrete evidence of Trump directing his attorney to lie about a lucrative project with Russia and the derposphere just shrugs and calls it a Witch Hunt. Hillary was being extremely charitable in calling them deplorables

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^ That. It’s astounding the leaps you have to make to look at the Russia investigation and claim there’s nothing there.

[pancakes3]

it's shocking how master of all things security, donald j trump, who's been reported to LITERALLY EAT PAPER MEMOS because LEAKERS, is being taken down by him playing fast and loose with official emails/phone numbers.

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Not only may it not be made public, but it's not going to be ANYWHERE close to the bombshell the Democrats and CNN/MSNBC thinks it's going to be. You guys are to be very, very disappointed.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/10/19/mueller-investigation-findings-914754

Mueller report PSA: Prepare for disappointment

President Donald Trump's critics have spent the past 17 months anticipating what some expect will be among the most thrilling events of their lives: special counsel Robert Mueller’s final report on Russian 2016 election interference.

They may be in for a disappointment.

That’s the word POLITICO got from defense lawyers working on the Russia probe and more than 15 former government officials with investigation experience spanning Watergate to the 2016 election case. The public, they say, shouldn’t expect a comprehensive and presidency-wrecking account of Kremlin meddling and alleged obstruction of justice by Trump — not to mention an explanation of the myriad subplots that have bedeviled lawmakers, journalists and amateur Mueller sleuths.

Perhaps most unsatisfying: Mueller’s findings may never even see the light of day.

From ex-CIA chief Michael Morrell:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/12/11/the-full-transcript-michael-morell-216061

Morell: So, let’s talk about what I think the possibilities are, going forward. So, I would not be surprised if Bob Mueller concludes that the Trump campaign did not violate the law with regard to its interactions with the Russians. I’m really open to that possibility. Why? [u]Because, as you know, The New York Times, The Washington Post, every media outlet that is worth its salt has reporters digging into this, and they haven’t found anything.[/u]

And I think that, had there been something there, they would have found something. And I think Bob Mueller would have found it already and it would have leaked.
So, I’m really open to the possibility that there’s no there there on a crime being committed by the campaign and the Russians. Right? That interaction leading to criminal charges.

Yikes. That has to hurt for anyone who believes in Russiagate. A CIA boss just let the cat out of the bag.

What a political failure if this is what comes of the Mueller investigation. But I called this months ago...Democrats and their zombie followers put faith in a freakin' lifelong scumbag Republican (Mueller) who was hated by the left until he was picked to investigate Trump...then all of a sudden he became the Democrats savior. What a farce.

[gtn130]

Trump was just caught doing the exact thing Nixon did that got him impeached and TGW is calling Russiagate a hoax. What a moron

[TGW]

Aww did I hurt your feelings gtn? I posted what a CIA boss said on your Russian conspiracy theory and that triggered you like a little bitch.

You're a loser with a sore butthole who's only contributions to this thread is one-line statements calling people morons and regurgitating DNC talking points like a cotdamn parrot. You offer nothing of substance, and in real life you're definitely a pussy who wouldn't say half the things you say online in person.