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I know Lavar is a piece of work, but why dont you guys target lonzo Ball?

he is the complete opposite of an iso baller. he defends well. and i think he is going to end up a 37% 3 pt shooter which is solid. He looks like Jason Kidd 2.0

Lebron needs a batman Kyrie type. So give them Wall for Ball and take back some crap they dont want or get a 3rd team to give LA a pick and give the crap to the wizards.

Wall for Ball? Sure, but the Lakers say no. They want to have cap space to sign a big name next summer. Maybe if somehow they can't get anyone they try to trade for Beal who'd be great fit anywhere.

Eli Babak wrote:Wall for Ball? Sure, but the Lakers say no. They want to have cap space to sign a big name next summer. Maybe if somehow they can't get anyone they try to trade for Beal who'd be great fit anywhere.

sweeten the deal with a pick. give them a 2024 pick top 3 protected. throw in morris. heck i would throw in beal.

Lakers look at it like they will need to pay ball 20 million in 2 years anyway...why not pay wall, beal, morris now?

perfect win now team for the lakers. And just as good if not better than what they will get next year.

I think kawhi goes to clippers and Jimmy either stays in philly or goes to Clippers too. Why join Lebron when you can finally kick his butt?

Wall, beal(ingram), kuzma, Lebron, Morris is perfect small ball team to battle GSW who will lose KD this summer.

lakers give you back Lance, KCP, and rondo. Wizards agree to waive rondo who rejoins LA in 3 months.

Beal, Green to Charlotte for Monk,Bridges, Biyombo protected 1st

jangles86 wrote:Beal, Green to Charlotte for Monk,Bridges, Biyombo protected 1st

Monk? No thanks. Biyombo? Ditto.

I don't think they have in mind to trade Bridges.

Wall or Porter should be traded well before Beal

Its the kind of trade we'll regret, like OKC trading Harden.

I feel like a good wal trade would be the suns.
Either do wall for ariza, bender and okobo and a second this year
or do anderson and okobo and a second this year and unprotected first in 2020

FAH1223 wrote:

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If we are talking beal here, I would ask hard and firm for monk, bridges, harengomez, williams, parker,and a first of some sorts for beal and oubre.

We get reloaded with young talent the money matched i think pretty close. ship wall to the suns in some kind of toss away deal, such as for ariza, bender and okobo and a second this year.

move porter to the kings. for randolph maclemore, giles, skal and one or both of their seconds this year.

You might need to eat some money cutting some of the one year contracts. such as parker, ariza randolph, maclemore, some of our own like morris or rivers or smith, and you could use those seconds to dumps some of those 2 year deals like williams, howard or mahinmi. or just hold on to those and eat the money cutting one year guys to make room .

thats a pretty quick turn around with young talent and some assets added to the team

stilldropin20 wrote:

Eli Babak wrote:Wall for Ball? Sure, but the Lakers say no. They want to have cap space to sign a big name next summer. Maybe if somehow they can't get anyone they try to trade for Beal who'd be great fit anywhere.

sweeten the deal with a pick. give them a 2024 pick top 3 protected. throw in morris. heck i would throw in beal.

Lakers look at it like they will need to pay ball 20 million in 2 years anyway...why not pay wall, beal, morris now?

perfect win now team for the lakers. And just as good if not better than what they will get next year.

I think kawhi goes to clippers and Jimmy either stays in philly or goes to Clippers too. Why join Lebron when you can finally kick his butt?

Wall, beal(ingram), kuzma, Lebron, Morris is perfect small ball team to battle GSW who will lose KD this summer.

lakers give you back Lance, KCP, and rondo. Wizards agree to waive rondo who rejoins LA in 3 months.

NO one on earth is going to trade for wall and beal, the whole world knows they hate each other.
its going to be hard enough trading wall, they are not going anywhere together 10000000000000 confidence points on that one.

Nobody’s trading for Wall with his lack of wining ways (seriously, what’s his signature achievement?), toxic chemistry, 15% trade kicker, and cap-killer salary, except...

1. An absolute idiot owner (anyone got Sarver’s #?), or

2. A desperate GM about to lose his job unless he engineers a magical turnaround pronto (that WAS Thibs, now I don’t know who fits this bill)

I don't think the Suns are an option. They have zero interest in winning now--they are obsessed with the tank, something they've been doing since what, 2013? The Suns are Hinkie Sixers West without the results.

Best shot I think may be the Pelicans:

Pels in: Wall, Oubre

Pels out: Solomon Hill, Wes Johnson, 2018 first.

I think that'd be quite a compelling offer. They want to make a splash to possibly keep Anthony Davis--this may be their best bet to show they are serious by paying the massive payroll. Wall would probably mesh a lot better with this team--it has two stud defenders that can cover for him. I know he's tight with Jrue too. And the Pels lose no talent of consequence.

Only issue is it's gonna be a pretty expensive team. Assuming they keep Mirotic at say..22 million, bump Randle up to say 15 million, plus Johns contract of 38 next season and everyone else on the roster then they are at 141.6 without Oubre's deal. To keep Oubre that might get closer to 150.

I do think the team would be good though.

As for us...it's a salary dump and we get a first out of it *shrug*.

Sato/Beal/Green/Porter/Bryant to close out the season. Probably can't chase down the true tank lords, but we've had luck with the lottery gods before.

Dark Faze wrote:I don't think the Suns are an option. They have zero interest in winning now--they are obsessed with the tank, something they've been doing since what, 2013? The Suns are Hinkie Sixers West without the results.

Best shot I think may be the Pelicans:

Pels in: Wall, Oubre

Pels out: Solomon Hill, Wes Johnson, 2018 first.

I think that'd be quite a compelling offer. They want to make a splash to possibly keep Anthony Davis--this may be their best bet to show they are serious by paying the massive payroll. Wall would probably mesh a lot better with this team--it has two stud defenders that can cover for him. I know he's tight with Jrue too. And the Pels lose no talent of consequence.

Only issue is it's gonna be a pretty expensive team. Assuming they keep Mirotic at say..22 million, bump Randle up to say 15 million, plus Johns contract of 38 next season and everyone else on the roster then they are at 141.6 without Oubre's deal. To keep Oubre that might get closer to 150.

I do think the team would be good though.

As for us...it's a salary dump and we get a first out of it *shrug*.

Sato/Beal/Green/Porter/Bryant to close out the season. Probably can't chase down the true tank lords, but we've had luck with the lottery gods before.

Getting Wall doesn't end the Suns tank. They'll still be a bottom 3 team. And they really need a PG, but it's doubtful anyone wants Wall.

The Pels can't afford Wall's salary. They probably also can't afford two highly paid PFs in Randle and Mirotic. A possible trade centered around Porter and Randle could help both teams. They're weak at SF, and we're terrible at PF. Adding a good inside scorer and rebounder in Randle may be the answer. Currently, we can't rebound or score inside.

The idea of giving up assets just to dump Wall while he's still healthy, productive and an all-star quality player is a complete non-starter. This franchise is not going to do it and I don't blame them. The idea that he's impossible to trade is also silly. Juwan Howard was once traded. A completely washed Gil was once traded. It can happen. It only takes on team.

A trade of Wall just may not happen this year. In fact, likely the only way it happens before next summer is if Wall waives his trade kicker. After July, the trade kicker is automatically voided if dealt.

gambitx777 wrote:

FAH1223 wrote:

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If we are talking beal here, I would ask hard and firm for monk, bridges, harengomez, williams, parker,and a first of some sorts for beal and oubre.

We get reloaded with young talent the money matched i think pretty close. ship wall to the suns in some kind of toss away deal, such as for ariza, bender and okobo and a second this year.

move porter to the kings. for randolph maclemore, giles, skal and one or both of their seconds this year.

You might need to eat some money cutting some of the one year contracts. such as parker, ariza randolph, maclemore, some of our own like morris or rivers or smith, and you could use those seconds to dumps some of those 2 year deals like williams, howard or mahinmi. or just hold on to those and eat the money cutting one year guys to make room .

thats a pretty quick turn around with young talent and some assets added to the team

I posted this on the trade board but it fits here as well:

Dat2U wrote:I don't think acquiring a bunch of B or C-level assets does us much good unless were content to just re-arrange deck chairs on the titanic to end up with a team with a lower ceiling.

I prefer one really good asset over a bunch of okay ones.

I'd rather trade for the highest possible pick in next years draft then settle for a couple of recent mid-1st rounders.

Keep in mind, Memphis would have taken a Beal for the 4th & Parsons in a heartbeat last year. That picked turned out to be Jaren Jackson Jr.

Dat2U wrote:

gambitx777 wrote:

FAH1223 wrote:

Read on Twitter

If we are talking beal here, I would ask hard and firm for monk, bridges, harengomez, williams, parker,and a first of some sorts for beal and oubre.

We get reloaded with young talent the money matched i think pretty close. ship wall to the suns in some kind of toss away deal, such as for ariza, bender and okobo and a second this year.

move porter to the kings. for randolph maclemore, giles, skal and one or both of their seconds this year.

You might need to eat some money cutting some of the one year contracts. such as parker, ariza randolph, maclemore, some of our own like morris or rivers or smith, and you could use those seconds to dumps some of those 2 year deals like williams, howard or mahinmi. or just hold on to those and eat the money cutting one year guys to make room .

thats a pretty quick turn around with young talent and some assets added to the team

I posted this on the trade board but it fits here as well:

Dat2U wrote:I don't think acquiring a bunch of B or C-level assets does us much good unless were content to just re-arrange deck chairs on the titanic to end up with a team with a lower ceiling.

I prefer one really good asset over a bunch of okay ones.

I'd rather trade for the highest possible pick in next years draft then settle for a couple of recent mid-1st rounders.

Keep in mind, Memphis would have taken a Beal for the 4th & Parsons in a heartbeat last year. That picked turned out to be Jaren Jackson Jr.

Dat, I dont disagree with you. The question is, How much do you value Lamb and Bridges? I think Bridges is clearly a top 10 prospect in the 2019 draft based on his projection last year. He has only increased that value in the Small sample size to date.
I also think Lamb is a better fit with Wall. He and Beal are about the same age and in the same draft class. Lamb has shown to be the better shooter, defender, and rebounder...while beal is the better playmaker/all around scorer.
I think the team actually performs the same if you replace Beal with Lamb...See below:

http://bkref.com/tiny/zcwoE

We WILL NOT get a top 3-5 pick for Beal unless the Suns get a little crazy and trade us their pick and Anderson this summer.
We could certainly get a pick in the 7-10 range, but I already outlined why Bridges has equal value.
Beal, Oubre, Mahinmi to the Hornets for Lamb, Bridges, Monk, Zeller, Williams...plus maybe a pick is good value.... I would be open to sending them Green too.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9chqb88

We cut 3M in salary and gets us closer to below the tax. Move forward with:

Wall / Sato
Lamb / Monk
Bridges / Brown
Otto / Morris / Williams
Zeller / Bryant / Morris

Having Wall, Sato, Brown...and even Monk to a lesser extent helps mitigate the loss of playmaking from Beal.
Lamb is the better defender, but lets just call it even. Zeller + Bridges makes our Defense a LOT better.

Adding picks along with players like Sato, Otto, Bridges, Zeller, etc. Make us a better team. Team players that hustle and play with IQ is the best way to "Outplay" projections.

pcbothwel wrote:

Dat2U wrote:

gambitx777 wrote:If we are talking beal here, I would ask hard and firm for monk, bridges, harengomez, williams, parker,and a first of some sorts for beal and oubre.

We get reloaded with young talent the money matched i think pretty close. ship wall to the suns in some kind of toss away deal, such as for ariza, bender and okobo and a second this year.

move porter to the kings. for randolph maclemore, giles, skal and one or both of their seconds this year.

You might need to eat some money cutting some of the one year contracts. such as parker, ariza randolph, maclemore, some of our own like morris or rivers or smith, and you could use those seconds to dumps some of those 2 year deals like williams, howard or mahinmi. or just hold on to those and eat the money cutting one year guys to make room .

thats a pretty quick turn around with young talent and some assets added to the team

I posted this on the trade board but it fits here as well:

Dat2U wrote:I don't think acquiring a bunch of B or C-level assets does us much good unless were content to just re-arrange deck chairs on the titanic to end up with a team with a lower ceiling.

I prefer one really good asset over a bunch of okay ones.

I'd rather trade for the highest possible pick in next years draft then settle for a couple of recent mid-1st rounders.

Keep in mind, Memphis would have taken a Beal for the 4th & Parsons in a heartbeat last year. That picked turned out to be Jaren Jackson Jr.

Dat, I dont disagree with you. The question is, How much do you value Lamb and Bridges? I think Bridges is clearly a top 10 prospect in the 2019 draft based on his projection last year. He has only increased that value in the Small sample size to date.
I also think Lamb is a better fit with Wall. He and Beal are about the same age and in the same draft class. Lamb has shown to be the better shooter, defender, and rebounder...while beal is the better playmaker/all around scorer.
I think the team actually performs the same if you replace Beal with Lamb...See below:

http://bkref.com/tiny/zcwoE

We WILL NOT get a top 3-5 pick for Beal unless the Suns get a little crazy and trade us their pick and Anderson this summer.
We could certainly get a pick in the 7-10 range, but I already outlined why Bridges has equal value.
Beal, Oubre, Mahinmi to the Hornets for Lamb, Bridges, Monk, Zeller, Williams...plus maybe a pick is good value.... I would be open to sending them Green too.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9chqb88

We cut 3M in salary and gets us closer to below the tax. Move forward with:

Wall / Sato
Lamb / Monk
Bridges / Brown
Otto / Morris / Williams
Zeller / Bryant / Morris

Having Wall, Sato, Brown...and even Monk to a lesser extent helps mitigate the loss of playmaking from Beal.
Lamb is the better defender, but lets just call it even. Zeller + Bridges makes our Defense a LOT better.

Adding picks along with players like Sato, Otto, Bridges, Zeller, etc. Make us a better team. Team players that hustle and play with IQ is the best way to "Outplay" projections.

I've always viewed Bridges as a late lottery pick. He's looked ok thus far. I could see him starting in the league. Do I see him as a future all-star? No. Maybe there's a small chance he gets to that point but I'm not happy at all if he's the best player coming back in a deal.

Lamb & Zeller have little value to me. I'd rather have Monk even If I'm not a big fan. Lamb is good if were competing for wins now but I see little value in attempting to retool with just Wall OR Beal --- because that lowers our ceiling b/c we've lost an all-star without replacing one.

At this point I'm more interested in 2019 draft. I don't see Memphis parting with Jackson or Orlando parting with Bamba so I'd rather wait till after the lottery and trade Beal for the highest or best collection of picks we can get. That's the key, wait until after the lottery, there are always teams that prefer a known quantity over an unknown. I think it's very possible we could get a top 5 pick - if were patient.

Dat2U wrote:

pcbothwel wrote:

Dat2U wrote:
I posted this on the trade board but it fits here as well:

Dat, I dont disagree with you. The question is, How much do you value Lamb and Bridges? I think Bridges is clearly a top 10 prospect in the 2019 draft based on his projection last year. He has only increased that value in the Small sample size to date.
I also think Lamb is a better fit with Wall. He and Beal are about the same age and in the same draft class. Lamb has shown to be the better shooter, defender, and rebounder...while beal is the better playmaker/all around scorer.
I think the team actually performs the same if you replace Beal with Lamb...See below:

http://bkref.com/tiny/zcwoE

We WILL NOT get a top 3-5 pick for Beal unless the Suns get a little crazy and trade us their pick and Anderson this summer.
We could certainly get a pick in the 7-10 range, but I already outlined why Bridges has equal value.
Beal, Oubre, Mahinmi to the Hornets for Lamb, Bridges, Monk, Zeller, Williams...plus maybe a pick is good value.... I would be open to sending them Green too.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y9chqb88

We cut 3M in salary and gets us closer to below the tax. Move forward with:

Wall / Sato
Lamb / Monk
Bridges / Brown
Otto / Morris / Williams
Zeller / Bryant / Morris

Having Wall, Sato, Brown...and even Monk to a lesser extent helps mitigate the loss of playmaking from Beal.
Lamb is the better defender, but lets just call it even. Zeller + Bridges makes our Defense a LOT better.

Adding picks along with players like Sato, Otto, Bridges, Zeller, etc. Make us a better team. Team players that hustle and play with IQ is the best way to "Outplay" projections.

I've always viewed Bridges as a late lottery pick. He's looked ok thus far. I could see him starting in the league. Do I see him as a future all-star? No. Maybe there's a small chance he gets to that point but I'm not happy at all if he's the best player coming back in a deal.

Lamb & Zeller have little value to me. I'd rather have Monk even If I'm not a big fan. Lamb is good if were competing for wins now but I see little value in attempting to retool with just Wall OR Beal --- because that lowers our ceiling b/c we've lost an all-star without replacing one.

At this point I'm more interested in 2019 draft. I don't see Memphis parting with Jackson or Orlando parting with Bamba so I'd rather wait till after the lottery and trade Beal for the highest or best collection of picks we can get. That's the key, wait until after the lottery, there are always teams that prefer a known quantity over an unknown. I think it's very possible we could get a top 5 pick - if were patient.

Fair enough. I just think the issue is...who makes that trade for a top 5 pick. Certainly no one is trading a top 2 pick, so its really 3-7. I dont see it with the Suns, Cavs, or Hawks. So the Bulls, Knicks, Heat, and Nets are really the teams.
I think the Bulls would keep the pick, but the Knicks, Nets, and Heat are interesting as I really like Little and Reid.

I'll tell you, If the Knicks get a top 5 pick and they have the chance to get KD...it would hard for them not to trade that pick and THJ for Beal.

@Dat - your point is well taken - especially when you look at the players that are providing immediate impact (I am missing some). But the list is top heavy.