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Wizards: Post Porter trade; post Wall torn Achilles

Posted: Wed Feb 6, 2019 6:58 pm
by Chocolate City Jordanaire
Now would be a good time to call the Commissioner of the NBA.

Not to try and bury Wall. That's what they tried to do to Gilbert. Checkers move. Arenas got every cent. I'm glad he did!

There needs to be some major changes in how Washington works things.

So many moves are possible.

Promote Ernie Grunfeld
Promote a Female within the organization. (Powell-Jobs, Toliver, Kara Lawson, EDD?)

Please hire a new GM. (Weaver, Ferry, other ask docklinkin)

Appeal to the league to make an injury exception for injured super max players.

How viable would Beal be as face of Spurs east Wizards?

Last: Luke Walton is on the way out. By time Wall returns Walton will be a good coach.



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Re: Wizards Could Start Playing Chess

Posted: Wed Feb 6, 2019 7:10 pm
by Ruzious
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Now would be a good time to call the Commissioner of the NBA.

Not to try and bury Wall. That's what to Gilbert. Checkers move. Arenas got every cent. I'm glad he did!

There needs to be some major changes in how Washington works things.

So many moves are possible.

Promote Ernie Grunfeld
Promote a Female within the organization. (Powell-Jobs, Toliver, Kara Lawson, EDD?)

Please hire a new GM. (Weaver, Ferry, other ask docklinkin)

Appeal to the league to make an injury exception for injured super max players.

How viable would Beal be as face of Spurs east Wizards?

Last: Luke Walton is on the way out. By time Wall returns Walton will be a good coach.



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It can't hurt to ask, but wouldn't the commish likely say - Give me a reason - considering you took a risk by signing the extension so early. So, what's your response to him when he does say that?

Re: Wizards Could Start Playing Chess

Posted: Wed Feb 6, 2019 7:17 pm
by Chocolate City Jordanaire
First: "See, what had happened was..."

When that doesn't appear to be working, then go inner child: "It isn't fair! Whaaa!"

I'm thinking that the Commissioner has some power. David Stern rerouted Chris Paul in delaying friends forming super teams. Surely, Adam Silver can make up some set of favorable options to mollify the dire straits in which the Wizards find themselves.

Washington needs to schmooze. Sometimes you can earn lucky breaks by trying harder.

Re: Wizards Could Start Playing Chess

Posted: Wed Feb 6, 2019 7:24 pm
by Chocolate City Jordanaire
Note the other moves, ideas.

Promote females.

Huge. Will curry favor.

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Re: Wizards Could Start Playing Chess

Posted: Wed Feb 6, 2019 7:24 pm
by Chocolate City Jordanaire
Curry flavor...

No, favor in the form of SOMETHING.

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Re: Wizards Could Start Playing Chess

Posted: Wed Feb 6, 2019 7:27 pm
by Chocolate City Jordanaire
Ruzious wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Now would be a good time to call the Commissioner of the NBA.

Not to try and bury Wall. That's what to Gilbert. Checkers move. Arenas got every cent. I'm glad he did!

There needs to be some major changes in how Washington works things.

So many moves are possible.

Promote Ernie Grunfeld
Promote a Female within the organization. (Powell-Jobs, Toliver, Kara Lawson, EDD?)

Please hire a new GM. (Weaver, Ferry, other ask docklinkin)

Appeal to the league to make an injury exception for injured super max players.

How viable would Beal be as face of Spurs east Wizards?

Last: Luke Walton is on the way out. By time Wall returns Walton will be a good coach.



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It can't hurt to ask, but wouldn't the commish likely say - Give me a reason - considering you took a risk by signing the extension so early. So, what's your response to him when he does say that?
Does he even need a reason?

If owners vote in favor and player's union is neutral (John is getting paid,regardless) why not allow all teams a super max injury exemption?

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Re: Wizards Could Start Playing Chess

Posted: Wed Feb 6, 2019 8:32 pm
by Ruzious
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:Now would be a good time to call the Commissioner of the NBA.

Not to try and bury Wall. That's what to Gilbert. Checkers move. Arenas got every cent. I'm glad he did!

There needs to be some major changes in how Washington works things.

So many moves are possible.

Promote Ernie Grunfeld
Promote a Female within the organization. (Powell-Jobs, Toliver, Kara Lawson, EDD?)

Please hire a new GM. (Weaver, Ferry, other ask docklinkin)

Appeal to the league to make an injury exception for injured super max players.

How viable would Beal be as face of Spurs east Wizards?

Last: Luke Walton is on the way out. By time Wall returns Walton will be a good coach.



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It can't hurt to ask, but wouldn't the commish likely say - Give me a reason - considering you took a risk by signing the extension so early. So, what's your response to him when he does say that?
Does he even need a reason?

If owners vote in favor and player's union is neutral (John is getting paid,regardless) why not allow all teams a super max injury exemption?

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I would think so because the Wiz took a rather absurd risk in giving him an extension 2 years before he'd be a free agent. I don't think the NBA wants to encourage teams to take those kinds of risks.

Re: Wizards Chess: Strategic Ideas to Move Forward Post-Achilles

Posted: Wed Feb 6, 2019 8:45 pm
by AFM
NBA needs a BALTIMORE expansion team so we can stop rooting for these clowns Dumb & Dumber. I want to see some baltimore streetballers with durags and arm sleeves breaking ankles and doing the bobby shmurda dance back down the court.

Re: Wizards Chess: Strategic Ideas to Move Forward Post-Achilles

Posted: Wed Feb 6, 2019 8:48 pm
by gtn130
The only correct answer is to trade nearly everyone and rebuild. Beal, Porter and the expirings should all be gone. Resign Bryant and maybe Sato.

They're on pace to win like 34 games this year. Next year if they get the band back together, which it sounds like Ted really wants to do, they'll be a 34 win team with $38M in dead money and Ian Mahinimi on the books. In other words, $54M in dead money will be on the books next year, so there is absolutely no realistic way to improve the team in the near future.

Full rebuild.

Re: Wizards Chess: Strategic Ideas to Move Forward Post-Achilles

Posted: Wed Feb 6, 2019 9:54 pm
by Chocolate City Jordanaire
gtn130 wrote:The only correct answer is to trade nearly everyone and rebuild. Beal, Porter and the expirings should all be gone. Resign Bryant and maybe Sato.

They're on pace to win like 34 games this year. Next year if they get the band back together, which it sounds like Ted really wants to do, they'll be a 34 win team with $38M in dead money and Ian Mahinimi on the books. In other words, $54M in dead money will be on the books next year, so there is absolutely no realistic way to improve the team in the near future.

Full rebuild.
Or else, just do nothing.

Wait. Watch. Learn about each player. Don't keep cutting bait/jettisoning fuel/cutting and running.

Just stand (like in Ephesians 6).

Evaluate the current draft like Lou Holtz (he was just on SEC ESPN Network).

Take a fresh look at size and speed for the position/role; as well as character and intelligence when you decide how to craft together a team.

Organizational Development (OD) and scouting are, unfortunately, WHO YOU KNOW and cliquish within the Wizards.

They'd rather be consistently wrong than switch.

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Re: Wizards Chess: Strategic Ideas to Move Forward Post-Achilles

Posted: Wed Feb 6, 2019 9:55 pm
by Chocolate City Jordanaire
Do obvious moves that help. Stay away from cost saving, dubious moves that might make things far worse.

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Re: Wizards Chess: Strategic Ideas to Move Forward Post-Achilles

Posted: Wed Feb 6, 2019 11:55 pm
by Dat2U
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
gtn130 wrote:The only correct answer is to trade nearly everyone and rebuild. Beal, Porter and the expirings should all be gone. Resign Bryant and maybe Sato.

They're on pace to win like 34 games this year. Next year if they get the band back together, which it sounds like Ted really wants to do, they'll be a 34 win team with $38M in dead money and Ian Mahinimi on the books. In other words, $54M in dead money will be on the books next year, so there is absolutely no realistic way to improve the team in the near future.

Full rebuild.
Or else, just do nothing.

Wait. Watch. Learn about each player. Don't keep cutting bait/jettisoning fuel/cutting and running.

Just stand (like in Ephesians 6).

Evaluate the current draft like Lou Holtz (he was just on SEC ESPN Network).

Take a fresh look at size and speed for the position/role; as well as character and intelligence when you decide how to craft together a team.

Organizational Development (OD) and scouting are, unfortunately, WHO YOU KNOW and cliquish within the Wizards.

They'd rather be consistently wrong than switch.

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Either way most of the team are current FAs so no, they won't be coming back

Right now the only signed and playable options next year are Beal, Porter & Brown. That's it! So there's not much to decide on. Its basically comes down to what do you do with Beal & Porter? I think the decision is easy.

Wall (won't play), Mahinmi (can't play) & Howard (shouldn't stay) account for approx $60 mil of cap space! Retooling on the fly no longer makes any sense with Wall gone for the foreseeable future.

I'd keep Bryant as an RFA but his defensive limitations may relegate him to a backup role ideally. I would not overpay for him at all despite the promise. Too many available Cs out there in a crowded market to have that position eat up unnecessary cap room.

I like Sato but to help bottom out, he may need to go as well. Especially if he could net us a 1st rounder.

Why Ariza, Green & Morris are still here, I have no idea. All 3 should be dealt for whatever picks and tax room can be obtained.

Re: Wizards Chess: Strategic Ideas to Move Forward Post-Achilles

Posted: Thu Feb 7, 2019 12:31 am
by nate33
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
gtn130 wrote:The only correct answer is to trade nearly everyone and rebuild. Beal, Porter and the expirings should all be gone. Resign Bryant and maybe Sato.

They're on pace to win like 34 games this year. Next year if they get the band back together, which it sounds like Ted really wants to do, they'll be a 34 win team with $38M in dead money and Ian Mahinimi on the books. In other words, $54M in dead money will be on the books next year, so there is absolutely no realistic way to improve the team in the near future.

Full rebuild.
Or else, just do nothing.

Wait. Watch. Learn about each player. Don't keep cutting bait/jettisoning fuel/cutting and running.

Just stand (like in Ephesians 6).

What more are you hoping to learn by watching and waiting on Beal and Porter? We know what they are.

gtn130 is right. Our intermediate future is hopeless because of the $54M in dead money. Take the opportunity to tank for at least 2 seasons and then see how things look. And to tank, you need to move Beal for picks.

I'm president of the Beal fan club and even I recognize that this is the right course of action.

Re: Wizards Chess: Strategic Ideas to Move Forward Post-Achilles

Posted: Thu Feb 7, 2019 12:33 am
by AFM
we know the lottery is rigged, do we think they will give us the first pick out of pity?

Re: Wizards Chess: Strategic Ideas to Move Forward Post-Achilles

Posted: Thu Feb 7, 2019 12:33 am
by The Consiglieri
#1 is scouting the living hell out of the '19-'21 drafts to figure out which classes are the best for draft pick trades. This one is shallow, may make a lot more sense to target the '20 class, what can we learn about current high school juniors? If we knew about LeBron multiple years before he graduated we should be able to sniff out what draft looks the best between '19, '20 and '21 right now, targeting class is just as important as targeting picks themselves.

Re: Wizards Chess: Strategic Ideas to Move Forward Post-Achilles

Posted: Thu Feb 7, 2019 12:33 am
by nate33
Dat2U wrote:I'd keep Bryant as an RFA but his defensive limitations may relegate him to a backup role ideally. I would not overpay for him at all despite the promise. Too many available Cs out there in a crowded market to have that position eat up unnecessary cap room.

I like Sato but to help bottom out, he may need to go as well. Especially if he could net us a 1st rounder.

Why Ariza, Green & Morris are still here, I have no idea. All 3 should be dealt for whatever picks and tax room can be obtained.

I'd definitely be in favor of retaining Bryant and Sato as long as the price is right. Bryant because he is young with potential, and Sato because he would set the tone for all the rookies we're going to end up drafting in the next few years. Sato's relentless energy and work ethic and his positive attitude would make him a great veteran presence on a rebuilding team. I'm not worried about Sato hurting the tank. He's not THAT good. He's best suited as the 5th option on a good team. It's going to be a while before we get to that point.

Re: Wizards Chess: Strategic Ideas to Move Forward Post-Achilles

Posted: Thu Feb 7, 2019 12:35 am
by nate33
The Consiglieri wrote:#1 is scouting the living hell out of the '19-'21 drafts to figure out which classes are the best for draft pick trades. This one is shallow, may make a lot more sense to target the '20 class, what can we learn about current high school juniors? If we knew about LeBron multiple years before he graduated we should be able to sniff out what draft looks the best between '19, '20 and '21 right now, targeting class is just as important as targeting picks themselves.

I really like that MEM pick that Boston is holding. It's top 8 protected this year, and hopefully Memphis won't be in the top 8. Next year, it's top 6 protected and it's unprotected after that. It would require a Beal to Boston trade to get that pick.

Re: Wizards Chess: Strategic Ideas to Move Forward Post-Achilles

Posted: Thu Feb 7, 2019 1:20 am
by verbal8
Yeah at this point dealing Beal for the best pick(s) makes some sense.

The Porter deal is essentially throwing in the towel on this season(which is fine) and next(which seems foolish).

Re: Wizards Chess: Strategic Ideas to Move Forward Post-Achilles

Posted: Thu Feb 7, 2019 4:05 am
by Chocolate City Jordanaire
Beal is the team leader now

Re: Wizards: Post Porter trade; post Wall torn Achilles

Posted: Thu Feb 7, 2019 10:04 am
by Chocolate City Jordanaire
Draft Jah Morant

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