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Political Roundtable Part XXVI

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1821 » by Zonkerbl » Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:59 pm

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Pointgod wrote:At the end of the day it’s going to come out that Vlade has compromising information on Trump and that this clown is a Russian owned asset. This makes no sense otherwise.


I don't think it's so much dirt on Trump as it is money. I'm wondering how much of "his" money Trump would actually have access to without Putin.


Trump lost $1 billion in the eighties and no one would lend to him. Except the Russians in the 90s. Dude has been a bought and paid for Russian asset for a majority of his adult life.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1822 » by Kanyewest » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:16 pm

France says Isis resurgence 'inevitable' after Trump decision to allow Turkish offensive
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/syria-war-turkey-kurds-latest-isis-trump-france-philippe-iraq-a9156881.html
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Post#1823 » by Kanyewest » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:20 pm

This poll from George Washington has Warren(28) at first followed by Bernie(21) and Biden (18).
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/15/new-poll-shows-elizabeth-warren-leading-democratic-field-with-percent/
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Post#1824 » by gtn130 » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:26 pm

Kanyewest wrote:France says Isis resurgence 'inevitable' after Trump decision to allow Turkish offensive
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/syria-war-turkey-kurds-latest-isis-trump-france-philippe-iraq-a9156881.html


Again, rebuilding ISIS to own the libs. Trump acolytes are going to continue supporting this dumb **** who just relaunched ISIS, but never forget Hillary did emails and what about that Hunter Biden!!
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1825 » by I_Like_Dirt » Tue Oct 15, 2019 5:58 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:Trump lost $1 billion in the eighties and no one would lend to him. Except the Russians in the 90s. Dude has been a bought and paid for Russian asset for a majority of his adult life.


Oh, I'm well aware of his history which is why I'm curious. Sometimes conspiracy theories just have too much smoke for there not to be fire. The amount of money laundered for the Russians through Deutcshe Bank has to be pretty substantial. The same bank that had his tax returns but accidentally lost them? Those guys are much better at the plausible deniability thing than Trump himself. Putin uses a lot of proxies to hide his money. The idea that Trump was one of them would answer a load of questions all at once and strikes me as the most likely scenario here. Or, y'know, Putin might actually be a humble civil servant who lives on his public salary with only an apartment and small plot of land to his name.
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Post#1826 » by Wizardspride » Tue Oct 15, 2019 6:31 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1827 » by Ruzious » Tue Oct 15, 2019 9:53 pm

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Pointgod wrote:At the end of the day it’s going to come out that Vlade has compromising information on Trump and that this clown is a Russian owned asset. This makes no sense otherwise.


I don't think it's so much dirt on Trump as it is money. I'm wondering how much of "his" money Trump would actually have access to without Putin.


Trump lost $1 billion in the eighties and no one would lend to him. Except the Russians in the 90s. Dude has been a bought and paid for Russian asset for a majority of his adult life.

I don't think we can over-estimate how beholden he and his family are to foreign powers and criminals. And after his Presidency - if he's still alive - he'll be collecting for favors he did for them as President.
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Post#1829 » by Wizardspride » Wed Oct 16, 2019 12:44 pm

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Post#1830 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:09 pm

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What did Joe do wrong? We all know from the vox article that Hunter is the family's Fredo and cashed in on his dad's influence to land the job. Just like Dumb Jr, Eric, and Ivanka. What did Joe do? Please, enlighten us. We're all ears.
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Post#1831 » by I_Like_Dirt » Wed Oct 16, 2019 2:36 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:What did Joe do wrong? We all know from the vox article that Hunter is the family's Fredo and cashed in on his dad's influence to land the job. Just like Dumb Jr, Eric, and Ivanka. What did Joe do? Please, enlighten us. We're all ears.


I considered responding because there's basically nothing accurate about that tweet on any level but doubted the value of it at this point.

I do think Hunter has a certain element of sleaze to him and that's sticking, too - nobody is branding him as squeaky clean or anything. He clearly took advantage of what is a sadly established operating practice in a lot of the world which is to "hire" a relative of a powerful/famous individual to protect from shakedowns from other areas of the... economy?

From all accounts, Joe comes across in a rather positive light here - and I'm definitely no Biden fan at this point. I'm not sure I see what "innocent" has to do with anything here. Innocent of what? "Wrongdoing"? That needs some clarifying, honestly. If a person wants to get into the dynamics of Eastern European business practices, I'm all for it. It's a mess and a major reason why even Russia has struggled to transition towards European economic models. I'd love it if someone were to come up with solutions. If it's not actually about solutions and just a finger-pointing game to allow someone in particular to have more access to the exploit such practices, then I'm less for it. Just quoting the tweet suggests it's much more the latter, intentional or not.
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Post#1832 » by Pointgod » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:36 pm

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What did Joe do wrong? We all know from the vox article that Hunter is the family's Fredo and cashed in on his dad's influence to land the job. Just like Dumb Jr, Eric, and Ivanka. What did Joe do? Please, enlighten us. We're all ears.


Far left nut job repeats a made up right wing conspiracy theory. Notice the accusation went from Biden withholding money from Ukraine to stop a non existent investigation into his son to staging a coup. I’m sure the TGW can provide evidence of the coup in Ukraine, I’m sure it would have been front page news on all the reputable sites like Breitbart and Infowars.

Also looking through the guys posts is like living in an insane far left bubble. Look at this ****. No wonder TGW is such a clown

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1833 » by Wizardspride » Wed Oct 16, 2019 3:48 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1834 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:22 pm

I agree that people who were sick of the status quo ended up voting for Trump because Bernie wasn't available. Maybe if Bernie had run, some of those Trump voters would have went for him and that would have made up for the inevitable "socialist" backlash.

The Dem establishment clearly didn't want someone swooping in at the last second and stealing their election war chest who hadn't spent his career helping contribute to it. That's understandable to me. And of course they were uncomfortable with someone saying out loud he was a socialist (which isn't even true - he's a social democrat, he's not advocating for iphones to be manufactured by the government). And yes the Dems certainly didn't make it easy for him to win the nomination. Maybe he would have surprised us in 2016 and won. We'd certainly be better off now if he had.

I feel like he's getting a fairer shake this time around, although the competition is tougher. Elizabeth Warren is giving him a run for his money. If he gets nominated I'll vote for him. FWIW if he had been the nominee in 2016 I would've voted for him. I don't have a problem with Bernie himself, the problem is his followers were the targets of a full throated Russian psyop and a lot of them are unwitting Russian assets now. Don't know if we need that in the current environment.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1835 » by Wizardspride » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:37 pm

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Post#1836 » by Pointgod » Wed Oct 16, 2019 5:53 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:I agree that people who were sick of the status quo ended up voting for Trump because Bernie wasn't available. Maybe if Bernie had run, some of those Trump voters would have went for him and that would have made up for the inevitable "socialist" backlash.

The Dem establishment clearly didn't want someone swooping in at the last second and stealing their election war chest who hadn't spent his career helping contribute to it. That's understandable to me. And of course they were uncomfortable with someone saying out loud he was a socialist (which isn't even true - he's a social democrat, he's not advocating for iphones to be manufactured by the government). And yes the Dems certainly didn't make it easy for him to win the nomination. Maybe he would have surprised us in 2016 and won. We'd certainly be better off now if he had.

I feel like he's getting a fairer shake this time around, although the competition is tougher. Elizabeth Warren is giving him a run for his money. If he gets nominated I'll vote for him. FWIW if he had been the nominee in 2016 I would've voted for him. I don't have a problem with Bernie himself, the problem is his followers were the targets of a full throated Russian psyop and a lot of them are unwitting Russian assets now. Don't know if we need that in the current environment.


Bernie would have gotten trounced in 2016. All you’d hear is non stop talk of socialist and tons of Russian propaganda. Evidence has shown that the narrative of why Trump won the “working class” is wrong. It was about race not economic insecurity. Not to mention that Bernie has a tough time reaching older black voters and I’m not buying that he would have won in 2016.
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Post#1837 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Oct 16, 2019 6:56 pm

Yeah I'm sure the Russians had a plan in case Bernie got nominated
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1838 » by closg00 » Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:33 pm

Trump only won cause people loathed HRC even more, Bernie would have won the states that Trump
Barely won.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1839 » by Bonscott » Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:57 pm

closg00 wrote:Trump only won cause people loathed HRC even more, Bernie would have won the states that Trump
Barely won.

Absolutely correct.I'm a republican but I have voted outside my party.
There was no way in hell I'd even consider voting for HRC in 2016
We'll have to see how the democratic primary comes out the only one I will not vote for there is Biden (he's an idiot)Although Bernies age is a bit concerning for me to be a president
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXVI 

Post#1840 » by verbal8 » Thu Oct 17, 2019 12:10 am

Zonkerbl wrote:Yeah I'm sure the Russians had a plan in case Bernie got nominated

Install Gabbard as his VP?

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