prime1time wrote:Not really going to talk about Bonga or Jones because they both seem so incredibly raw...
I don't think Jones is raw. Not at all. He just has a very unusual game. I think he could be an extremely effective player if he is on the floor with multiple shooters.
Yes, even in that case he will no doubt cause their percentages to go down a little -- but who cares? He's getting the offensive board on so many misses that the result will be positive not negative!
Not to mention his defensive rebounding. & above all his really outstanding man defense. Look at the video tweet of him shutting down Lou Williams (somewhere in this thread) & the podcast excerpt where Williams says the guy wouldn't allow him to score a single point in an entire quarter.
prime1time wrote:...but I like Mo Wagner. You can never have enough 3-point shooting, and 3-point shooters that check other boxes are especially valuable. I don't think we should put too much stock in what happened last year. Lakers are not a well run franchise and they clearly put little value in developing players. Mo might always be limited defensively, but if he works hard and improves his b-ball iq he can make up for his deficiencies. He's shown some semblance of a low post game and can also put the ball on the floor every now and then. Put him on the floor with a player like Beal and he'll succeed just like Bryant did.
Mo projects as a role player initially, but there is nothing wrong with that. He'll bring spacing to the bench rotation, and his pick and pop game will generate easy points. He plays hard and has a passion for the game. And after his debacle of a rookie season I expect him to have a serious chip on his shoulder. If Coach Brooks uses him to his full extent, Mo can be a very useful piece for us. Calling it now, Mo will be a fan favorite.
I hope you are right, & of course if he improves his BBIQ he'll improve as a player -- as will any player. Mo only played 446 minutes last year, so obviously there's no reason to write him off. But, he was pretty bad. For one thing, he managed 7.5 total boards per 40 minutes, & for another he turned the ball over 3.5 times in those same 40 minutes. Combine that with missing 9 of his 15.4 shots, & you can see he's giving the ball to opponent on a regular basis.
The numbers he put up as a rookie aren't good enough to keep him in the NBA for very long. But, he was a good 3-pt. shooter in college, & he had a good FT% both in college & last year. So, I think it's fair to give little attention to his low 28.6% on threes as a rookie (particularly problematic since he took 7 per 40 minutes!). If he gets good at threes, as I think he will, he should get close to his ceiling -- which I'd say is... a role player. As you say, there's nothing wrong with that.
But, he is nothing like Thomas Bryant! No way. Bryant had better college numbers as a Freshman than Mo did as a Junior.
Remember -- if you don't like the post above: blame Doc not me.