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Post#21 » by closg00 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:12 pm

MVPofDC wrote:A veteran PG on a cheap 2 yr deal when Wall is out for at least one year anyway...I'm ok with this deal. I rather this than moves like the massive overpay for Mahinmi.

Seems like the front office is being shrewd with the limited $ that is available and acquiring draft picks in the process. The future is bright.


Yup, I am hoping that they give Justin a real shot to see what he as to offer, perhaps he can steal that starting position.
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Post#22 » by Dat2U » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:18 pm

Signing Ish Smith is clearly Sheppard first bad move. You can argue Rui, but you cannot defend this. Smith is not good. Like Kev said, he's replacement level. He's gotten plenty of minutes and opportunities to not be good so that lends him veteran status but in reality he's a fringe NBA guard who should probably be bouncing around the league for the minimum. Quick enough to make plays here and there, poor enough feel that he rarely makes two good decisions in a row and don't even talk about the defense.

G I. Smith ... Bonga ... Wall
G Beal ... McRae ... Phillip
F T. Brown Jr ... J. Jones
F Hachimura ... Schofield
C Bryant ... Wagner ... Mahinmi ... Howard

That's clearly a bottom 3 team in the league even despite Beal's presence.

Without Beal this team might be historically bad!
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Post#23 » by WallToWall » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:27 pm

He is a backup at best. For the money and 2 years, I will not complain.
We still need a PG who can start.

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Post#24 » by closg00 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:27 pm

Dat2U wrote:Signing Ish Smith is clearly Sheppard first bad move. You can argue Rui, but you cannot defend this. Smith is not good. Like Kev said, he's replacement level. He's gotten plenty of minutes and opportunities to not be good so that lends him veteran status but in reality he's a fringe NBA guard who should probably be bouncing around the league for the minimum. Quick enough to make plays here and there, poor enough feel that he rarely makes two good decisions in a row and don't even talk about the defense.

G I. Smith ... Bonga ... Wall
G Beal ... McRae ... Phillip
F T. Brown Jr ... J. Jones
F Hachimura ... Schofield
C Bryant ... Wagner ... Mahinmi ... Howard

That's clearly a bottom 3 team in the league even despite Beal's presence.

Without Beal this team might be historically bad!


You forgot about Justin Robinson, rather than throwing a rookie in-there, we have Smith for John's rehab year and comeback next year.
I am slightly disappointed though.
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Post#25 » by nate33 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:29 pm

Dat2U wrote:Signing Ish Smith is clearly Sheppard first bad move. You can argue Rui, but you cannot defend this. Smith is not good. Like Kev said, he's replacement level. He's gotten plenty of minutes and opportunities to not be good so that lends him veteran status but in reality he's a fringe NBA guard who should probably be bouncing around the league for the minimum. Quick enough to make plays here and there, poor enough feel that he rarely makes two good decisions in a row and don't even talk about the defense.

G I. Smith ... Bonga ... Wall
G Beal ... McRae ... Phillip
F T. Brown Jr ... J. Jones
F Hachimura ... Schofield
C Bryant ... Wagner ... Mahinmi ... Howard

That's clearly a bottom 3 team in the league even despite Beal's presence.

Without Beal this team might be historically bad!

Yeah, I'm not thrilled about the Ish Smith signing. He may have been one of the best of the lot remaining, but at 2 years $12M, we may have been better off taking our chances with Justin Robinson plus vet minimum journeymen.

I don't think we're a clear bottom 3. I think Beal alone can get us to 30 wins, which puts us in a group of the bottom 6 or 7. We could easily be better than Memphis, Cleveland, New York and Charlotte. And I'm not convinced that Chicago or Phoenix are any better either. And maybe one of Atlanta, Detroit, Miami or Minnesota slips up.
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Post#26 » by Illuminaire » Mon Jul 1, 2019 2:39 pm

This is actually perfect. Smith becomes the highest paid healthy PG on the roster, and one of the oldest players - so you know that Brooks will play him 39 minutes a night.

He also sucks balls.

Say hello to the captain of your tank, Ish Smith!
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Post#27 » by DANNYLANDOVER » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:00 pm

Poor NatP4! Think I just saw him at Reagan, on a one-way flight to Chicago...

Yeah, this is a terrible move. I would've matched Sato's contract.
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Post#28 » by Mojo Amok » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:02 pm

At least he's a willing passer and will try and get the youngsters into good spots.

But we clearly look bottom 3 to me - as constructed now, anyway. Beal is great, but there's something like 2,800 total minutes of NBA experience in the entire frontcourt if Howard gets cut and Mahinmi doesn't play. Bryant accounts for half of that.

It's a team of interns.
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Post#29 » by Dat2U » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:07 pm

nate33 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Signing Ish Smith is clearly Sheppard first bad move. You can argue Rui, but you cannot defend this. Smith is not good. Like Kev said, he's replacement level. He's gotten plenty of minutes and opportunities to not be good so that lends him veteran status but in reality he's a fringe NBA guard who should probably be bouncing around the league for the minimum. Quick enough to make plays here and there, poor enough feel that he rarely makes two good decisions in a row and don't even talk about the defense.

G I. Smith ... Bonga ... Wall
G Beal ... McRae ... Phillip
F T. Brown Jr ... J. Jones
F Hachimura ... Schofield
C Bryant ... Wagner ... Mahinmi ... Howard

That's clearly a bottom 3 team in the league even despite Beal's presence.

Without Beal this team might be historically bad!

Yeah, I'm not thrilled about the Ish Smith signing. He may have been one of the best of the lot remaining, but at 2 years $12M, we may have been better off taking our chances with Justin Robinson plus vet minimum journeymen.

I don't think we're a clear bottom 3. I think Beal alone can get us to 30 wins, which puts us in a group of the bottom 6 or 7. We could easily be better than Memphis, Cleveland, New York and Charlotte. And I'm not convinced that Chicago or Phoenix are any better either. And maybe one of Atlanta, Detroit, Miami or Minnesota slips up.


Beal ain't that good bro.

Bryant is clearly the 2nd best player on our team. Who's the 3rd? Troy Brown Jr? Jordan McRae? Ish Smith? :o

Most nights we'll be overmanned.

Offensively we might be okay some nights but where we'll set records for futility is on defense.

Giving up 130 a night will be the norm.
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Post#30 » by FAH1223 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:19 pm

Dat2U wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Signing Ish Smith is clearly Sheppard first bad move. You can argue Rui, but you cannot defend this. Smith is not good. Like Kev said, he's replacement level. He's gotten plenty of minutes and opportunities to not be good so that lends him veteran status but in reality he's a fringe NBA guard who should probably be bouncing around the league for the minimum. Quick enough to make plays here and there, poor enough feel that he rarely makes two good decisions in a row and don't even talk about the defense.

G I. Smith ... Bonga ... Wall
G Beal ... McRae ... Phillip
F T. Brown Jr ... J. Jones
F Hachimura ... Schofield
C Bryant ... Wagner ... Mahinmi ... Howard

That's clearly a bottom 3 team in the league even despite Beal's presence.

Without Beal this team might be historically bad!

Yeah, I'm not thrilled about the Ish Smith signing. He may have been one of the best of the lot remaining, but at 2 years $12M, we may have been better off taking our chances with Justin Robinson plus vet minimum journeymen.

I don't think we're a clear bottom 3. I think Beal alone can get us to 30 wins, which puts us in a group of the bottom 6 or 7. We could easily be better than Memphis, Cleveland, New York and Charlotte. And I'm not convinced that Chicago or Phoenix are any better either. And maybe one of Atlanta, Detroit, Miami or Minnesota slips up.


Beal ain't that good bro.

Bryant is clearly the 2nd best player on our team. Who's the 3rd? Troy Brown Jr? Jordan McRae? Ish Smith? :o

Most nights we'll be overmanned.

Offensively we might be okay some nights but where we'll set records for futility is on defense.

Giving up 130 a night will be the norm.


I'd have targeted

Elfrid Payton

Moe Harkless with TPE

Noah Vonleh on a flyer or JayMychal Green

Team really lacks guys who can even play defense. It is scary bad. :lol:
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Post#31 » by 80sballboy » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:28 pm

I doubt they end up with a starting lineup of Bryant, Hachimura and Troy Brown Jr. up front. Shep will find some vet to play though it may end up being Jeff Green. Defensively, yes, we will set records for futility.
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Post#32 » by closg00 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:30 pm

Here's a thought since it's a tank-year. Brown used to play PG and has some handles, just let the two Brown's run the point and use the money elsewhere. Oh-well
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Post#33 » by 80sballboy » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:39 pm

closg00 wrote:Here's a thought since it's a tank-year. Brown used to play PG and has some handles, just let the two Brown's run the point and use the money elsewhere. Oh-well


Then who plays small forward? Admiral Schofield? This is a tank year no doubt, but they do want to put a somewhat competitive team on the floor and not just throw a bunch of kids that aren't ready and will get humiliated.
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Post#34 » by nate33 » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:43 pm

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closg00 wrote:Here's a thought since it's a tank-year. Brown used to play PG and has some handles, just let the two Brown's run the point and use the money elsewhere. Oh-well


Then who plays small forward? Admiral Schofield? This is a tank year no doubt, but they do want to put a somewhat competitive team on the floor and not just throw a bunch of kids that aren't ready and will get humiliated.

They could have used free agency money on a SF instead of a PG.

I really think this would have been a good idea. If nothing else, playing a wing like Troy Brown at PG is a good player development experience. You get so many more opportunities to make in-game decisions, just like how Milwaukee developed Giannis.
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Post#35 » by 80sballboy » Mon Jul 1, 2019 3:58 pm

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80sballboy wrote:
closg00 wrote:Here's a thought since it's a tank-year. Brown used to play PG and has some handles, just let the two Brown's run the point and use the money elsewhere. Oh-well


Then who plays small forward? Admiral Schofield? This is a tank year no doubt, but they do want to put a somewhat competitive team on the floor and not just throw a bunch of kids that aren't ready and will get humiliated.

They could have used free agency money on a SF instead of a PG.

I really think this would have been a good idea. If nothing else, playing a wing like Troy Brown at PG is a good player development experience. You get so many more opportunities to make in-game decisions, just like how Milwaukee developed Giannis.


There's zero chance that Brooks would have started Troy Brown at point guard unless that was his only option. Now, could he bring the ball up in some situations and basically run the point this season at times? Sure, he did that a bit last year. They'll go dumpster diving for some washed up vet or just keep what they have. I guess Simmons is still an option?
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Post#36 » by queridiculo » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:04 pm

Any news yet on how Smith was signed? This had to have been out of the MLE right, or is there some other mechanism by which he could have landed here?

A bit disappointing, the MLE was the one shot the Wizards had to perhaps make a late impact signing.

Shooting your wad on the first day of FA for Ish Smith... quite underwhelming.

Co-sign anybody who mentioned Elfrid Payton, not a great group of players to pick from out there either though. Slim pickins out there, maybe Shelvin Mack?
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Post#37 » by Kanyewest » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:18 pm

queridiculo wrote:Any news yet on how Smith was signed? This had to have been out of the MLE right, or is there some other mechanism by which he could have landed here?

A bit disappointing, the MLE was the one shot the Wizards had to perhaps make a late impact signing.

Shooting your wad on the first day of FA for Ish Smith... quite underwhelming.

Co-sign anybody who mentioned Elfrid Payton, not a great group of players to pick from out there either though. Slim pickins out there, maybe Shelvin Mack?


Some guys who are free agents (unless they signed somewhere over the last few hours)
Quinn Cook, Rondo, Isiah Thomas, Jeremy Lin, TJ McConnell, Delon Wright, Devin Harris, Alex Caruso, Shaun Livingston (likely to get bought out), George Hill, Cory Joseph, Seth Curry.
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Post#40 » by DCZards » Mon Jul 1, 2019 4:31 pm

I expect Troy Brown to get a lot of run at PG. This also bodes well for Robinson's chances of getting minutes with the big team...in addition to probably playing with the Go-Gos.

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