payitforward wrote:Dat -- where did you hide Mahinmi? Bonga?
Bonga could be kept as a two way guy.
Mahinmi I hold onto until the last minute as potential trade bait before cutting him before opening day.
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payitforward wrote:Dat -- where did you hide Mahinmi? Bonga?
Dat2U wrote:Ok so here's my wild scenario where Ted says build a winner right now or else!
Trade 9 for 20/22. Draft Clarke & Windler.
Acquire 42nd from Philly. Draft Bol.
Resign Bryant 4 yrs - 32 mil
Trade Sato for multiple 2nds.
Use multiple 2nds to S&T for D. Wright.
Acquire Bertans via trade exception.
***Trade Wall, Mahinmi & 3 unprotected picks in 2020, 2022 & 2024 for Westbrook & Gallinari.***
Sign Kyle O'Quinn to vet minimum.
New roster:
Westbrook ... T. Brown Jr
Beal ... D. Wright ... McRae
Gallinari ... Layman ... Windler
Bertans ... Clarke ... Vonleh
Bryant ... O'Quinn ... Bol
Gotta fire Brooks too. I'd hire Dave Joerger as head coach.
If you can get Westbrook to tone down the shot selection a tad, this is a really good team.
nate33 wrote:
PG Sato/Robinson
SG Beal/K.Johnson
SF Brown Jr./Shumpert
PF Hachimura/Parker
C Bryant/Vonleh
End of Bench: Wagner, McRae, Mahinmi, Bonga, Wall
Soon after, Wojnarowski reported the contract was for two-years in length and a total of $7 million. That's a cheap deal, so it's already a low risk signing for Indiana. Even if McConnell doesn't fit with the organization at all, the contract would end quickly. $3.5 million per season is a manageable figure. Both the length and value are reasonable.
Somehow, though, the deal looked better a few hours later. Michael Scotto of The Athletic reported that the second year of the contract is only $1 million guaranteed. McConnell effectively got one season and about $4.5 million guaranteed.
doclinkin wrote:nate33 wrote:
PG Sato/Robinson
SG Beal/K.Johnson
SF Brown Jr./Shumpert
PF Hachimura/Parker
C Bryant/Vonleh
End of Bench: Wagner, McRae, Mahinmi, Bonga, Wall
I like this team. I could cheer for that squad.
Dat2U wrote:G Satoransky ... T. Brown Jr ... Ju. Robinson
G Beal ... Shumpert ... McRae
F Layman ... K. Johnson ... Je. Jones ... Bonga
F Bertans ... Vonleh ... Clarke
C Bryant ... Bol ... Wagner ... Mahinmi
Dat2U wrote:G Satoransky ... T. Brown Jr ... Ju. Robinson
G Beal ... Shumpert ... McRae
F Layman ... K. Johnson ... Je. Jones ... Bonga
F Bertans ... Vonleh ... Clarke
C Bryant ... Bol ... Wagner ... Mahinmi
dckingsfan wrote:Dat2U wrote:G Satoransky ... T. Brown Jr ... Ju. Robinson
G Beal ... Shumpert ... McRae
F Layman ... K. Johnson ... Je. Jones ... Bonga
F Bertans ... Vonleh ... Clarke
C Bryant ... Bol ... Wagner ... Mahinmi
That team would make the playoffs in the east...
nate33 wrote:BTW, I love Dat2U's idea of basically trading Sato for Wright. I was going to do that myself but I didn't want to copy him. The one small downside is that it takes up the MLE. I could use the BAE on Vonleh instead, but then it could only be a 2-year deal. I would be unable to sign Shumpert (unless he took the minimum, which is unlikely).
Dat2U wrote:Ok so here's my wild scenario where Ted says build a winner right now or else!
Trade 9 for 20/22. Draft Clarke & Windler.
Acquire 42nd from Philly. Draft Bol.
Resign Bryant 4 yrs - 32 mil
Trade Sato for multiple 2nds.
Use multiple 2nds to S&T for D. Wright.
Acquire Bertans via trade exception.
***Trade Wall, Mahinmi & 3 unprotected picks in 2020, 2022 & 2024 for Westbrook & Gallinari.***
Sign Kyle O'Quinn to vet minimum.
New roster:
Westbrook ... T. Brown Jr
Beal ... D. Wright ... McRae
Gallinari ... Layman ... Windler
Bertans ... Clarke ... Vonleh
Bryant ... O'Quinn ... Bol
Gotta fire Brooks too. I'd hire Dave Joerger as head coach.
If you can get Westbrook to tone down the shot selection a tad, this is a really good team.
dckingsfan wrote:...At the draft, I actively look to trade down with Boston to 14 & 20. Because I am special, Ainge agrees and I take Sekou Doumbouya & Clarke...
Dat2U wrote:payitforward wrote:Dat -- where did you hide Mahinmi? Bonga?
Bonga could be kept as a two way guy.
Mahinmi I hold onto until the last minute as potential trade bait before cutting him before opening day.
payitforward wrote:dckingsfan wrote:...At the draft, I actively look to trade down with Boston to 14 & 20. Because I am special, Ainge agrees and I take Sekou Doumbouya & Clarke...
Sorry, no.
You want that #14/20 combo, you gotta have more to give than the #9. Not to mention that, anyway, when you make the trade you have no idea that Doumbouya will be there at #14 -- he's not your target.
Easy fantasies are not what's wanted in this thread. This thread is what you would/could really do as an actual GM.
Dat2U wrote:Ok so no Milwaukee trade. I'm ok with the Bertans deal instead.
For Boston, if their only offering the 20, 22 they need
would have needed come up with another asset or pick. Maybe a future 2nd. I'd go Clarke & Windler.
The picks used to acquire Delon come from the Sato deal.
The pick sent to Portland comes from the Wagner deal.
I'd do the deal for the #42 and draft Bol Bol since I missed out on Bitadze.
The Shumpert deal at 1 yr makes alot of sense, he can swing b/w the 2/3
G Delon Wright ... Troy Brown Jr ... John Wall
G Bradley Beal ... Iman Shumpert ... Jordan McRae
F Jake Layman ... Dylan Windler ... Jermerrio Jones
F Davis Bertans ... Brandon Clarke ... Noah Vonleh
C Thomas Bryant ... Bol Bol ... Moritz Wagner
This team may be a little better than the original
albeit Bol is a much more riskier bet than Bitadze.
dckingsfan wrote:payitforward wrote:dckingsfan wrote:...At the draft, I actively look to trade down with Boston to 14 & 20. Because I am special, Ainge agrees and I take Sekou Doumbouya & Clarke...
Sorry, no.
You want that #14/20 combo, you gotta have more to give than the #9. Not to mention that, anyway, when you make the trade you have no idea that Doumbouya will be there at #14 -- he's not your target.
Easy fantasies are not what's wanted in this thread. This thread is what you would/could really do as an actual GM.
Actually, he was - remember, I am a huge Eurohoops junkie.
But rules are rules... and you are right looking backward it was an "easy fantasy".
My goal would have been to trade down and grab a pair of forwards and move Brown Jr to the PG position. I think with the right development Doumbouya could be pretty good in a couple of years.
payitforward wrote:Dat2U wrote:payitforward wrote:Dat -- where did you hide Mahinmi? Bonga?
Bonga could be kept as a two way guy.
Mahinmi I hold onto until the last minute as potential trade bait before cutting him before opening day.
Nope on Bonga -- he has a guaranteed contract.
My point about Mahinmi was that you were sporting a 15-player roster w/o counting him. Can't let you do that, my man!
So, you have to solve these 2 problems, or else your off-season is an un-doable fantasy. Not what you want, I know!
payitforward wrote:Dat2U wrote:Ok so no Milwaukee trade. I'm ok with the Bertans deal instead.
For Boston, if their only offering the 20, 22 they need
would have needed come up with another asset or pick. Maybe a future 2nd. I'd go Clarke & Windler.
The picks used to acquire Delon come from the Sato deal.
The pick sent to Portland comes from the Wagner deal.
I'd do the deal for the #42 and draft Bol Bol since I missed out on Bitadze.
The Shumpert deal at 1 yr makes alot of sense, he can swing b/w the 2/3
G Delon Wright ... Troy Brown Jr ... John Wall
G Bradley Beal ... Iman Shumpert ... Jordan McRae
F Jake Layman ... Dylan Windler ... Jermerrio Jones
F Davis Bertans ... Brandon Clarke ... Noah Vonleh
C Thomas Bryant ... Bol Bol ... Moritz Wagner
This team may be a little better than the original
albeit Bol is a much more riskier bet than Bitadze.
Dat... this is the picture that needs to be changed: you've got 15 guys here, without Mahinmi, Bonga & Howard.
Your 15 guys (assuming Shumpert signs for $2m) costs just over $115m. Good!
But... Mahinmi, Bonga & Howard are owed a combined $23.5m. You are @$6m into the luxury tax. Bad!
We're not paying the luxury tax, so... Mr. GM -- what are you going to do?
Oh, and sorry no extra asset from Ainge. You turning down the trade in that case? Nah, I didn't think so.
nate33 wrote:My strategy isn't all that different from what we did in real life because I'm starting to like the Hachimura pick.
1. Trade down from #9 to the 12-14 range and add another pick. Let's assume it's with Charlotte for #12 and #36.
2. Buy Simmons and the #42 pick from Philly for cash.
3. Make the Lakers deal for Bonga/Jones/Wagner and the 2nd round pick
4. Draft Hachimura at #12
5. Trade #36 and #42 for the #28 and draft Keldon Johnson
6. Sign Justin Robinson
7. Resign Bryant to 4/36. (I don't think 4/32 is realistic. He signed a 3/25 deal. To get the 4th year, it would cost.)
8. Resign Sato to 3/30 with the last season only $5M guaranteed.
9. Sign Noah Vonleh with a portion of the MLE: 3/10M
10. Resign Jabari Parker with Bird Rights: 3/21 with third year a TO
11. Cut Howard. Hope someone signs him for the vet minimum so we get back $2.3M in luxtax flexibility
12. Sign Iman Shumpert to a 1-year deal at $3M
13. Retain McRae
PG Sato/Robinson
SG Beal/K.Johnson
SF Brown Jr./Shumpert
PF Hachimura/Parker
C Bryant/Vonleh
End of Bench: Wagner, McRae, Mahinmi, Bonga, Wall
My team is like our current team, banking on the development of Hachimura, Bryant and Brown; except it also has Keldon Johnson who I think is a legit mid first round talent. It also has young veterans with upside in Jabari Parker and Vonleh, signed to team friendly deals for the next 3 years. Even if they never take it to the next level, they're still quality role players in this league and worth their contracts. Finally, the team has a couple of stable vets in Sato and Shumpert as lead-by-example guys who play the right way. McRae and Wagner are useful situational players at the end of the bench. A big weakness is backup PG, but Brown can soak up some minutes there or maybe Justin Robinson surprises to the upside.
The team won't suck this year though they will miss the playoffs. But everyone except Shumpert and Sato should improve over the next few years and they're all affordable for 3 more years. Shumpert and Mahinmi come off the books next year and the cap jumps, so there's some more flexibility. Next year, Wall gets back, Sato moves to backup both the 1 and 2, Johnson becomes a backup 2/3 and the entire front court improves as they mature.
I really believe that Parker can become a trade chip down the road. Guys that can score in this league have real value, and Parker can get buckets. If he just performs like he did in March and April, he will be an asset at that contract. It's why I went with Parker instead of taking the Bertans deal.