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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#181 » by The Consiglieri » Sat Jul 20, 2019 6:02 pm

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dangermouse wrote:As for Rui not having an impact, I think he will (as long as he starts at the 4 and gets minutes). Im not too proud to admit I was wrong about him at the draft. He seems to have "it." I don't think he'll win ROY. That'll be Zion's to lose - probably to a guard like Morant.

Zero chance it'll be Zion for ROY. Brandon Clarke will win it, if only because it will make PIF insufferable forever.

If Clarke wins RoY (which I'm not predicting, btw), I promise not to be "insufferable forever." I'll be insufferable for two weeks & no more!


To take the edge off, just do what I do.

For every highlight good call on a trade or a draft prospect, mention a bird brained one:

1994/1995: Loved Howard, loved Wallace and Garnett and errr, liked Ed O'Bannon.

1996: Hated the Wallace trade, loved Abdur-Rahim, but also loved Starbury.

Or Absolute Nadir calls, like preferring Anthony Bennett and Nerlens Noel to Otto Porter

Or really debating MKG vs Beal.

The one thing people don't do enough during draft time is remember their bone headed calls. They just remember their genius ones, the bad ones? Not so much.

Always own both.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#182 » by doclinkin » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:07 pm

The Consiglieri wrote:
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doclinkin wrote:Zero chance it'll be Zion for ROY. Brandon Clarke will win it, if only because it will make PIF insufferable forever.

If Clarke wins RoY (which I'm not predicting, btw), I promise not to be "insufferable forever." I'll be insufferable for two weeks & no more!


To take the edge off, just do what I do.

For every highlight good call on a trade or a draft prospect, mention a bird brained one:

1994/1995: Loved Howard, loved Wallace and Garnett and errr, liked Ed O'Bannon.

1996: Hated the Wallace trade, loved Abdur-Rahim, but also loved Starbury.

Or Absolute Nadir calls, like preferring Anthony Bennett and Nerlens Noel to Otto Porter

Or really debating MKG vs Beal.

The one thing people don't do enough during draft time is remember their bone headed calls. They just remember their genius ones, the bad ones? Not so much.

Always own both.


100%. Though I like to learn from my mistakes and put them into the algorithm.

This year I suspect I’ll be dogged by Luka Samanic. A contrarian pick. I liked Clarke. I do think he is a developing late bloomer who is improving his outside shot and will become an excellent asset on defense as a superior utility player at 3/4.

But PIF staked turf on him even after I’d noticed and cited him. And I enjoy winding up PIF even more than I like being right :clown: So I figured I’d propose a contrarian pick if I couldn’t trade down.

It may pan out anyway. He may develop and surprise. There’s a reason the Spurs were willing to let Bertrans go. Maybe they liked their chances to develop a more complete player in Luka. Lateral wing defender with passing and scoring inside and out — Instead of an offense specialist ranged big. But I do think Clarke will be more productive earlier. And we will have to hear about it. :)

Among my misses have been:

Morris Almond. Who taught me not to trust any player out of Rice. Weak schedule means they commonly get an Arsalan Kazeni who fades when he plays in a bigger conference.

Dominic MacGuire. Ditto the mountain west. I was enthusiastic about his stat stuffing. But neglected his turnovers, lack of range, and the big athlete small competition effect.

Jarvis Varnado: similar small school effect. College shotblocking is a worthless stat if it’s not accompanied by dominant _defensive_ rebounding totals. And ideally assists. Maybe steals. And even then you have to check how they play against ranked (physically bigger) foes.

At the next level offensive rebounding is important. But NCAA offensive boards seem to sometimes have a negative correlation with game smarts. And these players struggle to adjust. Assists and big man steals seem to correlate better to BBIQ and adjustments at the next level. And adjustments are where you get the best value from players who are not lotto level supertalents And even then.

Oh and Royce White. From whom I thought you’d get great value because teams would be scared away by his anxiety issues. But that with millions on the line a caring team could help him find a therapy plan that would work. Metta World Peace had a long career and a championship. Dennis Rodman had multiple championships.

Royce was so bright. Articulate. Thoughtful. But he had no Phil Jackson or Popovich as a caring compassionate coach to guide him. Turns out, to battle your own mind is the hardest opponent you’ll ever face. And is Often too much to overcome. Hell he’s fighting and getting booted out of Big 3 games.

So. Add a new truism to the draft adages. Right next to “never draft the ‘athletic’ white guy: Even if he can play, he’s going to be injured.” (The Bobby Sura maxim. Hello Chandler Parsons. Hi Zach Lavine. Tom Gugliotta. Etc).

The ROYCE rule is: don’t draft a guy who is mentally ill. You may not get full value from their development. And they will sometimes be distracted from team goals by their own personal demons. MWP will malice a palace and get booted for the season. The Worm will cause distractions mid game. Etc. Not to mention off court risks like — blanking on his name. The guard from PG county who was caught with a motorcycle side car full of weapons like El Mariachi. The guy with the strawberry stain birth mark. Him. Good player. Good defender. But troubled.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#183 » by nate33 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 7:49 pm

The Consiglieri wrote:The only question to me is when we can get max value, now, the trade deadline, or during the start or end of next year's terrible free agent crop where he'd be easily the marquee piece a team trying to win it all could acquire.

I think the answer to this question is "wait for a really good offer".

If the best offer on the table is a Miami deal where we dump Wall's contract and maybe get one future 1st, then don't trade him because that's not a great offer. Basically, I'm willing to hold out at least until the start of next season. If I'm not blown away by an offer, I will wait. If we get through next offseason and there still aren't any jawdropping offers, maybe then I'd start lowering my asking price, but not until then.

And the added benefit of waiting is we get to see if Hachimura, Bryant and Brown improve enough so that it's foreseeable that they will be quality starters or stars in the not-too-distant future. We also get a chance to see where we land in next year's lottery and whether or not we end up with franchise-altering prospect at the top of the draft. If a few among Hachimura, Bryant, Brown, and/or our 2020 pick look like they'll quickly become stars or above-average players, then keeping Beal is still an option.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#184 » by FAH1223 » Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:02 pm

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The Consiglieri wrote:The only question to me is when we can get max value, now, the trade deadline, or during the start or end of next year's terrible free agent crop where he'd be easily the marquee piece a team trying to win it all could acquire.

I think the answer to this question is "wait for a really good offer".

If the best offer on the table is a Miami deal where we dump Wall's contract and maybe get one future 1st, then don't trade him because that's not a great offer. Basically, I'm willing to hold out at least until the start of next season. If I'm not blown away by an offer, I will wait. If we get through next offseason and there still aren't any jawdropping offers, maybe then I'd start lowering my asking price, but not until then.

And the added benefit of waiting is we get to see if Hachimura, Bryant and Brown improve enough so that it's foreseeable that they will be quality starters or stars in the not-too-distant future. We also get a chance to see where we land in next year's lottery and whether or not we end up with franchise-altering prospect at the top of the draft. If a few among Hachimura, Bryant, Brown, and/or our 2020 pick look like they'll quickly become stars or above-average players, then keeping Beal is still an option.


Assuming Beal is playing on Team USA in the FIBA World Cup in September, I can see his attitude shifting to wanting out since he'll be playing with guys who are in way better situations and organizations. The chatter will start.
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Post#185 » by DCZards » Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:39 pm

nate33 wrote:
The Consiglieri wrote:The only question to me is when we can get max value, now, the trade deadline, or during the start or end of next year's terrible free agent crop where he'd be easily the marquee piece a team trying to win it all could acquire.

I think the answer to this question is "wait for a really good offer".

If the best offer on the table is a Miami deal where we dump Wall's contract and maybe get one future 1st, then don't trade him because that's not a great offer. Basically, I'm willing to hold out at least until the start of next season. If I'm not blown away by an offer, I will wait. If we get through next offseason and there still aren't any jawdropping offers, maybe then I'd start lowering my asking price, but not until then.

And the added benefit of waiting is we get to see if Hachimura, Bryant and Brown improve enough so that it's foreseeable that they will be quality starters or stars in the not-too-distant future. We also get a chance to see where we land in next year's lottery and whether or not we end up with franchise-altering prospect at the top of the draft. If a few among Hachimura, Bryant, Brown, and/or our 2020 pick look like they'll quickly become stars or above-average players, then keeping Beal is still an option.

Add to that the fact that by next year this time we’ll have at least some idea as to how productive Wall is going to be post-injury.

I don’t think we should give up on a team built around Wall, Beal, Bryant, Brown, Rui and a 2020 lottery pick. As you note, the real issue my be who among Bryant, Brown and Rui turns out to be truly special.
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Post#186 » by nate33 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:09 am

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The Consiglieri wrote:The only question to me is when we can get max value, now, the trade deadline, or during the start or end of next year's terrible free agent crop where he'd be easily the marquee piece a team trying to win it all could acquire.

I think the answer to this question is "wait for a really good offer".

If the best offer on the table is a Miami deal where we dump Wall's contract and maybe get one future 1st, then don't trade him because that's not a great offer. Basically, I'm willing to hold out at least until the start of next season. If I'm not blown away by an offer, I will wait. If we get through next offseason and there still aren't any jawdropping offers, maybe then I'd start lowering my asking price, but not until then.

And the added benefit of waiting is we get to see if Hachimura, Bryant and Brown improve enough so that it's foreseeable that they will be quality starters or stars in the not-too-distant future. We also get a chance to see where we land in next year's lottery and whether or not we end up with franchise-altering prospect at the top of the draft. If a few among Hachimura, Bryant, Brown, and/or our 2020 pick look like they'll quickly become stars or above-average players, then keeping Beal is still an option.


Assuming Beal is playing on Team USA in the FIBA World Cup in September, I can see his attitude shifting to wanting out since he'll be playing with guys who are in way better situations and organizations. The chatter will start.

It's certainly possible.

Obviously, if Beal ever makes it known that he does not intend to resign in Washington, we should trade him.
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Post#187 » by verbal8 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 1:52 am

prime1time wrote:Rui will be able to attack players one-on-one and score. This is the most important skill any player can have in the league.

A few great players are able to do this on a consistent basis, however an isolation heavy-approach leads to a very real chance of being a poor-man's Carmelo Anthony.
I think the biggest unknown with Rui is if he can be an accurate 3 point shooter.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#188 » by Dat2U » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:00 am

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prime1time wrote:Rui will be able to attack players one-on-one and score. This is the most important skill any player can have in the league.

A few great players are able to do this on a consistent basis, however an isolation heavy-approach leads to a very real chance of being a poor-man's Carmelo Anthony.
I think the biggest unknown with Rui is if he can be an accurate 3 point shooter.


And this is my biggest fear with him. He has the ideal attribute that will mask his shortcomings. The ability to get a bucket. Folks overlook rebounding & defense if a guy can score.
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Post#189 » by payitforward » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:43 am

Yup. It's the most common misconception of the fan -- "if you score a lot of points, that means you are a good player. If you don't score a lot of points that means it's easy to replace you; you're not much."
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Post#190 » by payitforward » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:48 am

DCZards wrote:...the real issue may be who among Bryant, Brown and Rui turns out to be truly special.

Well, I'd say Thomas Bryant already is pretty special. There's little reason to think either of the other guys will be. But, hey, maybe, right? They're both really young. It could happen. Not particularly likely, just in the sense that it doesn't happen all that often. But... it could be.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#191 » by DCZards » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:08 am

payitforward wrote:Yup. It's the most common misconception of the fan -- "if you score a lot of points, that means you are a good player. If you don't score a lot of points that means it's easy to replace you; you're not much."


Yes, scoring is likely to be Rui's strength throughout his career...but that's not a bad thing. What's important is that he at least be an average rebounder and defender for a PF.
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Post#192 » by doclinkin » Sun Jul 21, 2019 6:02 am

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prime1time wrote:Rui will be able to attack players one-on-one and score. This is the most important skill any player can have in the league.

A few great players are able to do this on a consistent basis, however an isolation heavy-approach leads to a very real chance of being a poor-man's Carmelo Anthony.
I think the biggest unknown with Rui is if he can be an accurate 3 point shooter.


And this is my biggest fear with him. He has the ideal attribute that will mask his shortcomings. The ability to get a bucket. Folks overlook rebounding & defense if a guy can score.


True but it also commands value in front offices and transactions. If he can score effectively, worst case scenario Rui will be a coveted piece. I get the feeling though he will work hard to be more than that.

Still, what he does is something this team needs:

In this NBA era, efficiency is king. If you look at the stats, of the four factors, efficient scoring has the strongest correlation with wins nowadays. More often than not the team with the better eFG at the end of the game is the winner.

Under this rule set If you can outgun your opponent you can win. It’s that simple. For basketball purists it can give you fits. Popovich has recently bitched about that very fact. Teams like Houston can be relevant without spending a great deal of effort on the defensive aspect of team-building simply because they hit their shots and have a guy like Harden scoring with machine-like efficiency. Hitting your shots, outside, inside, freethrows. That’s all you need.

Leastways that’s true in the regular season. In the post season (if we can get ahead of ourselves here) things tighten up and the metagame changes. We get back to the ball we know. Defense rises again. Still, here there seems to be an advantage for teams that can score efficiently inside the arc. The outside shot is covered, the paint is locked down. Teams like Philly and the Bucks fell short because the middle closed off. Players like playoff Bradley Beal, who have a midrange game, see a bump in their postseason numbers. Those shots are available. Kawhi lived in the midrange this postseason.

So. It’s hard to see efficient scoring as a weakness to be scared of.

And I can see a philosophy in our team building that, with a savvy coach, could really be used to create some efficiency mismatches in our favor.

After years of lacking outside shooting Bigs, under the Tommy regime, we now have two and a prospect — Bertans, Bryant, and a developing Hachimura who showed a pull up three in Summerleague. (discounting Wagner for now). Depending on the development of these players we may be able to go big and still play small ball.

Then we will have room underneath for drive and kick players to slice in to the middle. And for some motion sets to let Beal get free on picks and screens that strand opposing defensive bigs on the perimeter, trying to both guard our catapult Bigs and also hedge our quick savvy ball handlers. Underneath our ‘Mids’ will be loose for backdoor cuts and opportunistic scoring.

If a team goes small they may be able to cut us up with motion themselves. Sure. But we may still be able to hang and keep pace by playing Bigs who can also score efficiently from outside, and possibly get a rebound advantage just by staying tall when they go small.

Much depends on the continued development of the two TBJrs. Can Troy defend, rebound, and pass to the finisher? Can Thomas hit from outside enough to prove a threat? Can Thomas develop a roll game, to punish players for leaving him to trap the ball handler?

In that configuration, if we have outside scoring Bigs, then Hachimura’s interior proficiency and footwork and reliable high-percentage scoring are a fantastic tool to work with. And he has a bit of a face up game too. If his 3pt shot develops, with hard work, then that’s a weapon we can use.

This is a reason why I’m irked that people are so quick to write off the player formerly known as Wallstar. He was effective even when wounded, his best skill is not speed but his vision.

Consider that John Wall made Marcin Gortat and his stone hands one of the most efficient scorers off the pick and roll. While relying on lazy inefficient Kieff to add any sort of offense. Or spacing.

Achilles be damned, Wall has been playing on injured feet and legs his whole career. And still carving people up. Bone spurs don’t suddenly happen. If he comes back pain free who knows what he could do.

And he’s still big. Still one of the best passers in the game. Still has good vision. Yes he tried to force passes to players who couldn’t do anything with them. But. What would he have done with an efficient athletic Big with good hands? And if that Big also pick and pop if their man collapsed to close the lane? A retooled Wall with no pain, next to 4th year Bryant? Bigs develop slowly. John gets to watch him grow then step in when he’s ready to do something with it.

And What would John be able to do with spacing provided by hairtrigger sniping big Davis Bertans. We aren’t talking about this acquisition enough. It’s a game changer. His shot is so pretty and so quick release on the catch. Teams can’t leave him outside. With 3fg hitting Bigs at the top of the key, the no mans land inside the arc is wide open.

Which sets you up for back door and off ball attacks. Troy left alone underneath will make the right pass to the player in motion. Troy rebounds bigger than you notice. Plays the “everybody eats” game that Saty and Otto and Beal excelled in — until teams realized that only Brad could create for himself. We needed another aggressive creative scoring option. Again. We had a Kieff out there.

Now if John is cut off on the drive and needs a bailout option — now? On any play he may have an aggressive and athletic 3/4 with huge soft hands. Now he’s got the high-efficiency Hachizilla to catch and finish. We upgrade from lazy Kieff.

And instead of an efficient but passive Otto who passed up more shots than he took. Ottos signature play was skipping in unnoticed for a putback dunk. When teams forgot about him since he was in stealth mode most of the game. Otto was never calling for the ball and trying to kill the man in front of him. Otto wasn’t an option on an alley oop above the defense. He was smooth and looked good in stats. But he put the ‘pass’ in passive. For attack mode players it wa frustrating. His whole career veterans have been saying he could be very good if he was willing to assert himself. He never did. He hid in the background.

Guys like Rui and Bryant don’t have that problem. They love to catch and finish in the teeth of defense. Both give us that kind of high energy aggression that Wall (Ariza, Pierce, Gortat) asked Otto to give. Hachikaze has only one option right now, if he gets the ball he’s scoring on you. So it’s up to the ballhandler to get him the ball when he can do something with it.

So. Yeah. Kawhi showed in the playoffs that efficient 2pt shooting can trump pace and space. It gives you more ball control to hit 50%+ from the interior every trip up the court than does a reliance on the more streaky 33%+ shooting from outside. Notice Popovich has been loading up on midrange gunners. And that was one team rumored to be trading up for Hachimura.

It used to be a truism that scoring is overrated. But changes in the rules have worked to make that less true. Yes scoring differential is key. But there are three ways to get there. Stop the opponent all the time. Be slightly better at both ends. Or blow them out of the water on offense. That last seems to be the way the league is going right now. And where we may be headed too.

Offensively I think this team is being overlooked. I might have built the team a different way. But. I think there’s a chance for something surprising and special here. Yes until and unless our defense develops in a surprisingly good way we may have to score 120+ every night.

But picture how much fun it will be if we do.

And if we win that way.

A team of hard working aggressive high energy guys playing fast scoring fast from outside and in. Good character guys who work hard off court. Positive energy and seriousness of purpose. Who actually seem to love the game of basketball and are not just collecting a check. Who willingly run end to end. Who make the smart pass to reward the guy who works to get open. And who score relentlessly from all levels.

That’s a team that will be fun to cheer for.
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Post#193 » by doclinkin » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:09 pm

Just to beat the point to death:

Beal, Bertans, Bryant,
all posted eFG% and TS% of ~ 60%.

Hachimura too posted 60% if it translates.

Ok our bench still sucks. But a good coach can do something fun with scoring like that. And a savvy point guard can make everybody look good.

Never know. Maybe we can play the tallsmallball line up of:

Wall/Troy — distribution, handling
Beal — motion, more handling, on ball/off ball threat
Bertans — sniper tower 42% from 3 last year.
Hachimura — bail out scoring. Finisher.
Bryant — improving sniper tower, pick and roll scorer, low post finisher.

But yeah. We need defensive improvement from all of: Bryant. Troy. Rui.

But. I dunno. They’re all still young?
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Post#194 » by The Consiglieri » Sun Jul 21, 2019 2:58 pm

I will say that when I entertain thoughts like that, it makes me think of 2021 and possibilities from there and beyond, not so much in the present. This will be a nadir season. But long term, I can't help but hope for hope going forward and it's thoughts like that that leave a little dusting of it on my window sill so to speak.
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Post#195 » by nate33 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:18 pm

A supplemental point to doc's marvelous post above regarding John Wall playing with the spacing of Bertans and Bryant:

John Wall had terrific shot selection early last season. He seemed to thrive with more spacing from his bigs in the absence of Gortat. I posted this a few games into the season when he was healthy. He had a career low number of attempts from midrange, with almost everything coming from the rim or behind the arc.

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Those numbers leveled off a bit as the season wore on and the injuries mounted, but he still finished with the 3rd highest percentage of attempts at the rim, and his 3rd highest FG% at the rim. John Wall likes spacing.

If Wall comes back in March reasonably healthy, he is likely to be a MASSIVE upgrade over the shytshow of Ish and Thomas manning the point. Also, Brown and Hachimura should be reaching a real level of comfort with NBA play by then. I think it's very possible that the team might put together a pretty impressive run to close out the season. Yeah, it will be against a bunch of tanking teams, but it still will be significant morale boost. The team could go 17-43 in its first 60 games but then finish 13-9 down the stretch with Wall playing well and the youngsters rounding into form.

We might find ourselves next summer rooting for a team that played above-500 ball for the last quarter of a season on the strength of a mostly under-23 roster, with a high lotto pick on the way in the offseason plus $15-20M in cap room. The narrative in the media will be that Sheppard has done a very nice job of turning the franchise around and things are looking up.
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Post#196 » by pinkman7382 » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:45 pm

nate33 wrote:A supplemental point to doc's marvelous post above regarding John Wall playing with the spacing of Bertans and Bryant:

John Wall had terrific shot selection early last season. He seemed to thrive with more spacing from his bigs in the absence of Gortat. I posted this a few games into the season when he was healthy. He had a career low number of attempts from midrange, with almost everything coming from the rim or behind the arc.

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Those numbers leveled off a bit as the season wore on and the injuries mounted, but he still finished with the 3rd highest percentage of attempts at the rim, and his 3rd highest FG% at the rim. John Wall likes spacing.

If Wall comes back in March reasonably healthy, he is likely to be a MASSIVE upgrade over the shytshow of Ish and Thomas manning the point. Also, Brown and Hachimura should be reaching a real level of comfort with NBA play by then. I think it's very possible that the team might put together a pretty impressive run to close out the season. Yeah, it will be against a bunch of tanking teams, but it still will be significant morale boost. The team could go 17-43 in its first 60 games but then finish 13-9 down the stretch with Wall playing well and the youngsters rounding into form.

We might find ourselves next summer rooting for a team that played above-500 ball for the last quarter of a season on the strength of a mostly under-23 roster, with a high lotto pick on the way in the offseason plus $15-20M in cap room. The narrative in the media will be that Sheppard has done a very nice job of turning the franchise around and things are looking up.


It seems like the wizards are relying heavily on Wall to return to form but that ain't happening. Players with Achilles injuries take several seasons before they return to form. and Wall will be 30 in 2020 season
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#197 » by payitforward » Sun Jul 21, 2019 3:47 pm

All good stuff, doc!

&, yes, efficient scoring (i.e. a high team TS%) will always be a big factor in winning. I.e. turning a high percentage of your scoring opportunities into points.

But, if your team is consistently below average in rebounding, then you will allow your opponents more scoring opportunities than you get. This works to negate any advantage in scoring efficiency.

Last year, we won 32 games. Yet, we took more shots than an average NBA team & more FTAs than average as well. On top of which, we posted an above average TS% too. Above average in scoring opportunities & above average in scoring efficiency. Both.

Above average -- but not above our opponents! They scored almost 3 more points per game than we did, & so we won 32 games. Even though we forced our opponents into 1.7 more turnovers than us & we also got slightly more steals per game than they did as well.

The reason is simple: our opponents got about 5 more rebounds than we did.

IOW, even though we took more shots than an average NBA team, we sure didn't take more shots than our opponents took against us. & even though we were better than average in scoring efficiency, we were by no means more efficient than our opponents.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#198 » by doclinkin » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:10 pm

pinkman7382 wrote:It seems like the wizards are relying heavily on Wall to return to form but that ain't happening. Players with Achilles injuries take several seasons before they return to form. and Wall will be 30 in 2020 season


No they basically never return to form. Except Dominique. And Rudy Gay. But both those examples, of players with superior athleticism, returned to form pretty quickly. John is a superior athlete. Hard to say what he will regain. But it’ll be better than he had been when he was injured.

John Wall had bone spurs. Whatever you think about his game, from what other players say (because John tried to be stoic about it) he had been playing in pain his entire career. The things he most needed to improve on can easily be fixed even with a few % points off his top speed.

His defensive effort (he played lockdown defense against marquee team matchups, but took too many possessions off on other nights).

His off ball movement (he’s too big for most PGs to guard down low, there are backdoor opportunities every time he’s off the ball, and a catch and shoot three is one of the few skills that can be developed.

Also off ball screens are basically stealth assists. Curry is the best in the game at setting up his teammates with screens peripheral to the action.

Wall had one year of college. And AAU ball before that. He’s too smart not to keep learning and improving his all court game. And if he’s playing without pain you don’t know but that his effort will make up for his shortfalls in bounce and acceleration. Again. His passing is the skill that had him in discussion for tops in the league. That’s not based on his speed alone.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#199 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:34 pm

doclinkin wrote:
pinkman7382 wrote:It seems like the wizards are relying heavily on Wall to return to form but that ain't happening. Players with Achilles injuries take several seasons before they return to form. and Wall will be 30 in 2020 season


No they basically never return to form. Except Dominique. And Rudy Gay. But both those examples, of players with superior athleticism, returned to form pretty quickly. John is a superior athlete. Hard to say what he will regain. But it’ll be better than he had been when he was injured.

John Wall had bone spurs. Whatever you think about his game, from what other players say (because John tried to be stoic about it) he had been playing in pain his entire career. The things he most needed to improve on can easily be fixed even with a few % points off his top speed.

His defensive effort (he played lockdown defense against marquee team matchups, but took too many possessions off on other nights).

His off ball movement (he’s too big for most PGs to guard down low, there are backdoor opportunities every time he’s off the ball, and a catch and shoot three is one of the few skills that can be developed.

Also off ball screens are basically stealth assists. Curry is the best in the game at setting up his teammates with screens peripheral to the action.

Wall had one year of college. And AAU ball before that. He’s too smart not to keep learning and improving his all court game. And if he’s playing without pain you don’t know but that his effort will make up for his shortfalls in bounce and acceleration. Again. His passing is the skill that had him in discussion for tops in the league. That’s not based on his speed alone.



To that end, his lack of effort or perceived effort especially on the defensive end may have primarily been a consequence of him playing in pain more so than what he let on.
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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2 

Post#200 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Sun Jul 21, 2019 4:35 pm

As far as our offseason, it would appear we are done.
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