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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:57 am
by nate33
payitforward wrote:Look where he has the Nets on that list....

They're out of order. He still has them at 38 wins; basically in a 3-way tie for the 6th seed with Miami and Chicago.

I don't think that's out of whack at all. Durant isn't playing this year. Basically, Brooklyn traded Russell for Kyrie. Kyrie is better, but he's also a locker room problem and an injury risk. The Nets also lost a little depth to generate that cap room.

They won 42 games last year.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:22 am
by gambitx777
And they have Jordan on a 4-40 dead weight deal. I really liked them if they kept d-lo
nate33 wrote:
payitforward wrote:Look where he has the Nets on that list....

They're out of order. He still has them at 38 wins; basically in a 3-way tie for the 6th seed with Miami and Chicago.

I don't think that's out of whack at all. Durant isn't playing this year. Basically, Brooklyn traded Russell for Kyrie. Kyrie is better, but he's also a locker room problem and an injury risk. The Nets also lost a little depth to generate that cap room.

They won 42 games last year.


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Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 5:03 am
by Illmatic12
gambitx777 wrote:Man didn't even let him get to training camp. Harsh .good luck to him
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Sucks for Philip but we already have a lot of training camp bodies and the prospects we just picked up are on guaranteed deals , we aren’t gonna cut any of those guys for Philip (who didn’t do much of anything in SL).

This means the full roster is essentially finalized now:

https://earlybirdrights.com/salary-cap/was/

15-man roster:

Wall
Beal
Mahinmi
Miles
Bryant
Bertans
Smith
Hachimura
Brown
Wagner
McCrae
Thomas
Schofield
Bonga
*Justin Robinson

Two-Way
Garrison Matthews
*Jemerrio Jones

Put * next to Robinson and Jones because the 15th spot will be up for grabs in training camp. Sheppard spoke highly of them on the radio and it sounds like he wants to keep both players within the program, but they can fight it out to see who gets the 15th spot and a guaranteed contract vs 2-way contract.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:55 pm
by payitforward
gambitx777 wrote:And they have Jordan on a 4-40 dead weight deal. I really liked them if they kept d-lo
nate33 wrote:
payitforward wrote:Look where he has the Nets on that list....

They're out of order. He still has them at 38 wins; basically in a 3-way tie for the 6th seed with Miami and Chicago.

I don't think that's out of whack at all. Durant isn't playing this year. Basically, Brooklyn traded Russell for Kyrie. Kyrie is better, but he's also a locker room problem and an injury risk. The Nets also lost a little depth to generate that cap room.

They won 42 games last year.

Yeah, DeAndre Jordan is awful now. Admittedly, he did post a 67.4% TS% last year while grabbing 17.5 rebounds per 40 minutes. But of course you can't tell a thing from boxscore stats of that kind.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:34 pm
by payitforward
Well, we'll see about the Nets -- but I pretty much disagree altogether that they've gotten worse. I'd say instead that they are more likely to be better.

Ed Davis was a big loss, but Jordan makes up for that easily. Russell wasn't anywhere near as good as he's being made out to be. Kyrie is an enormous upgrade (with the risks you mention).

The depth they lost (Crabbe, Carroll, Dudley, R. H-J., Napier & Graham) were mostly extremely bad in the 7000 minutes they played. Moreover, they also added depth (Temple, Prince, Nwaba, Chandler). Plus Lavert only played 40 games last year, & Dinwiddie only 68.

Obviously, a bunch of things could affect their season, so we'll see. But simply from the POV of personnel changes & the guys they are getting back who missed a big number of games last year, I think they've improved pretty significantly.

If Kyrie has a good season & Jarrett Allen continues to improve the way he did from a good rookie year to a really really good year two, they could knock on the door of 50 wins pretty easily.

I would not be surprised to see them get past one or both of Boston & Philly.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:49 pm
by nate33
payitforward wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:And they have Jordan on a 4-40 dead weight deal. I really liked them if they kept d-lo
nate33 wrote:They're out of order. He still has them at 38 wins; basically in a 3-way tie for the 6th seed with Miami and Chicago.

I don't think that's out of whack at all. Durant isn't playing this year. Basically, Brooklyn traded Russell for Kyrie. Kyrie is better, but he's also a locker room problem and an injury risk. The Nets also lost a little depth to generate that cap room.

They won 42 games last year.

Yeah, DeAndre Jordan is awful now. Admittedly, he did post a 67.4% TS% last year while grabbing 17.5 rebounds per 40 minutes. But of course you can't tell a thing from boxscore stats of that kind.

Jordan is widely ridiculed as being a rebound chaser now. He doesn't move on defense. He is horrific defending the pick and roll and won't challenge jump shooters. Basically, he just stands at the rim and hopes for misses.

Consider his numbers in New York. He averaged 15 points and 16 boards per 36 with an ORtg of 125. Sounds great, right?

His point differential when on the court was -19.9. And his on/off (for the lowly Knicks) was -12.2. He made a terrible team much, much worse. His on/off numbers have been bad for 3 years now. He doesn't play any defense.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 2:59 pm
by Ruzious
nate33 wrote:
payitforward wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:And they have Jordan on a 4-40 dead weight deal. I really liked them if they kept d-lo

Yeah, DeAndre Jordan is awful now. Admittedly, he did post a 67.4% TS% last year while grabbing 17.5 rebounds per 40 minutes. But of course you can't tell a thing from boxscore stats of that kind.

Jordan is widely ridiculed as being a rebound chaser now. He doesn't move on defense. He is horrific defending the pick and roll and won't challenge jump shooters. Basically, he just stands at the rim and hopes for misses.

Consider his numbers in New York. He averaged 15 points and 16 boards per 36 with an ORtg of 125. Sounds great, right?

His point differential when on the court was -19.9. And his on/off (for the lowly Knicks) was -12.2. He made a terrible team much, much worse. His on/off numbers have been bad for 3 years now. He doesn't play any defense.

He's become a dinosaur much the same way that Dwight Howard did - except without the bad back and character issues. Not to mention he's lost a step and a half from his prime. Signing him to a 4 year deal when they already have Allen didn't make financial sense. I'm assuming they signed him because he was effectively part of a package deal.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:53 pm
by payitforward
Fair enough on Jordan -- not to mention that we don't have a lot of reason to focus on the Nets anyway.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Fri Aug 16, 2019 8:38 pm
by nuposse04
payitforward wrote:Fair enough on Jordan -- not to mention that we don't have a lot of reason to focus on the Nets anyway.


I don't know about you, but anytime Kyrie fails is a low key win in my book. :evil:

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 2:24 am
by nuposse04
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Well, I wonder if he has a chance of sticking. At least there is some...upside?

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:07 am
by SUPERBALLMAN
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Well, I wonder if he has a chance of sticking. At least there is some...upside?



Nice. I liked him out of college. Played high school at Montrose Christian in Rockville. But he seems pretty similar to Admiral. Out of UVA looked like a 3&D SF but after shooting 45% on 3 his last year of college has only shot 30% as a pro.

Could knock Jones out, or McRae.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:34 am
by dangermouse
Ruzious wrote:
nate33 wrote:
payitforward wrote:Yeah, DeAndre Jordan is awful now. Admittedly, he did post a 67.4% TS% last year while grabbing 17.5 rebounds per 40 minutes. But of course you can't tell a thing from boxscore stats of that kind.

Jordan is widely ridiculed as being a rebound chaser now. He doesn't move on defense. He is horrific defending the pick and roll and won't challenge jump shooters. Basically, he just stands at the rim and hopes for misses.

Consider his numbers in New York. He averaged 15 points and 16 boards per 36 with an ORtg of 125. Sounds great, right?

His point differential when on the court was -19.9. And his on/off (for the lowly Knicks) was -12.2. He made a terrible team much, much worse. His on/off numbers have been bad for 3 years now. He doesn't play any defense.

He's become a dinosaur much the same way that Dwight Howard did - except without the bad back and character issues. Not to mention he's lost a step and a half from his prime. Signing him to a 4 year deal when they already have Allen didn't make financial sense. I'm assuming they signed him because he was effectively part of a package deal.


Yeah i didnt understand that move. I've seen depth charts that have Jordan at C and Allen at PF. Unless they think they can win by bringing the 90s/early 00's back into fashion...

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:58 pm
by Illmatic12
dangermouse wrote:
Ruzious wrote:
nate33 wrote:Jordan is widely ridiculed as being a rebound chaser now. He doesn't move on defense. He is horrific defending the pick and roll and won't challenge jump shooters. Basically, he just stands at the rim and hopes for misses.

Consider his numbers in New York. He averaged 15 points and 16 boards per 36 with an ORtg of 125. Sounds great, right?

His point differential when on the court was -19.9. And his on/off (for the lowly Knicks) was -12.2. He made a terrible team much, much worse. His on/off numbers have been bad for 3 years now. He doesn't play any defense.

He's become a dinosaur much the same way that Dwight Howard did - except without the bad back and character issues. Not to mention he's lost a step and a half from his prime. Signing him to a 4 year deal when they already have Allen didn't make financial sense. I'm assuming they signed him because he was effectively part of a package deal.


Yeah i didnt understand that move. I've seen depth charts that have Jordan at C and Allen at PF. Unless they think they can win by bringing the 90s/early 00's back into fashion...

Im certain the Nets internally had no desire to give Jordan that contract. What’s been reported is that DJ is friends with Irving and Durant , and those two stipulated that the Nets sign him as well in order to close the deal.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:01 pm
by pancakes3
wild that friendships have such a huge sway in this. there are 3rd graders picking teams at recess that know better than to let friendships come between them and the W.

and also wary about getting Justin Anderson.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:42 pm
by payitforward
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:
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Well, I wonder if he has a chance of sticking. At least there is some...upside?

Nice. I liked him out of college. Played high school at Montrose Christian in Rockville. But he seems pretty similar to Admiral. Out of UVA looked like a 3&D SF but after shooting 45% on 3 his last year of college has only shot 30% as a pro.

Could knock Jones out, or McRae.

Anderson played pretty well in the league until last year when he dropped some. Atlanta seemed to want to play him at the 4. As a 3 he is an excellent rebounder & effective offensively except he can't shoot the 3, which looks to prevent him having much of an nba career.

For sure he needs to play in someone's TC; he has some possibility. I wouldn't let Jones go to keep him (i.e. based on current info).

What kind of defender is he?

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 7:58 pm
by nate33
Is this team going to add any more big men? At the rate things are going, we're going to see Ian Mahinmi for 18 minutes a game.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:32 pm
by payitforward
nate33 wrote:Is this team going to add any more big men? At the rate things are going, we're going to see Ian Mahinmi for 18 minutes a game.

Right... that wouldn't be a surprise at all. We've got 13 guys w/ guaranteed contracts, plus McRae, Jones & Robinson hanging around the edge. Somehow I feel certain they'll guarantee Robinson.

Hey... Jones rebounds like a big, right?

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:11 pm
by Illmatic12
Well we just saw a season where Brooks ran Jeff Green and Markieff Morris for heavy minutes at the 5. I’d be fairly surprised if the Wizards aren’t anticipating that Hachimura can soak up some minutes as a small ball C.

In one of the SL games they ran Rui at the 5 in the closing lineup, so it’s for sure something the organization is looking at:


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My worry is that they may try to squeeze Mo Wagner into the regular rotation bc he was a former first round pick. That will be extremely frustrating as I don’t think he’s an NBA caliber player and atm shouldn’t be relied upon for anything other than DC Go-Go minutes.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:40 pm
by doclinkin
nate33 wrote:Is this team going to add any more big men? At the rate things are going, we're going to see Ian Mahinmi for 18 minutes a game.


Right it's almost like they think they have a plan and don't think they want or need more traditional low post Bigs. Couldn't be true though. I have it on good authority we were just picking up guys filling in spots.

Re: Wizards 2019 Offseason Thread - Part 2

Posted: Mon Aug 19, 2019 10:06 pm
by Ruzious
payitforward wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:
nuposse04 wrote:
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Well, I wonder if he has a chance of sticking. At least there is some...upside?

Nice. I liked him out of college. Played high school at Montrose Christian in Rockville. But he seems pretty similar to Admiral. Out of UVA looked like a 3&D SF but after shooting 45% on 3 his last year of college has only shot 30% as a pro.

Could knock Jones out, or McRae.

Anderson played pretty well in the league until last year when he dropped some. Atlanta seemed to want to play him at the 4. As a 3 he is an excellent rebounder & effective offensively except he can't shoot the 3, which looks to prevent him having much of an nba career.

For sure he needs to play in someone's TC; he has some possibility. I wouldn't let Jones go to keep him (i.e. based on current info).

What kind of defender is he?

I remember when MD recruited him and he verballed he'd go there and switched to UVA - he was regarded then as a great athlete with good defensive and very raw offensive skills. Considering he went to UVA, has great length, is very strong, and came in with a defensive rep, he should be a good defender. One issue he seemed to have - he's more fast than quick - he's a real good straight-ahead athlete but without a lot of wiggle. If all things contractually were equal between him and Admiral, I would be inclined to give Anderson a small edge.