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80sballboy wrote:Different point of view
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Six-foot-nine guys who can handle the ball and have 7’2 wingspans and big physical frames and switch everything defensively are a big part of the NBA’s evolution.
With Hachimura, the Wizards may have just evolved.
deneem4 wrote:dangermouse wrote:TheAlchemist wrote:The problem with Rui is that hes slow. If he had an athletic first step and was bursting with speed he's top 5, perhaps top 3 in this draft.
I dont know if its conditioning or if it's just foot speed. I hope he can get faster and have a more athletic first step.
I can see a lot of Paul pierce in the guy too, if he loses weight and gets faster.
He looks big, but not strong enough to take guys into the post. Slimming down would help him a lot at the 3 spot.
I don't see this at all...
He does seem to have an athletic first step, at least when he is beating other big men with his first step, rip throughs and post moves to get to the basket and create space. In fact, I think that is the best part of his game, very Giannis-esque in that regard.
Its the rest of his game, on both ends of the court, that appears to be in slow motion. He's obviously athletic, so I think this is a BBIQ issue rather than a physical issue. Its quite strange, he is obviously very craft and smart around the basket. He muscles the smaller guys, and beats the bigger guys with his footwork and post moves. Thats why im not worried about his size vs. PFs in this era.
Playing him at the 3 spot would be a mistake. He looks out of place and unsure of what to do when he is on the perimeter being guarded by quicker guys, and his hesitation on shooting outside jumpers, or getting a pass to an open man out of a double team etc, is a little worrying. With confidence these things should improve.
He's a scoring faceup 4 to me.
His floor is a scoring face up something like Kieff
If brooks let him play he can develop into a shot creating play stopping defender..
DCZards wrote:80sballboy wrote:Different point of view
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This is how the article above concludes:Six-foot-nine guys who can handle the ball and have 7’2 wingspans and big physical frames and switch everything defensively are a big part of the NBA’s evolution.
With Hachimura, the Wizards may have just evolved.
DCZards wrote:80sballboy wrote:Different point of view
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This is how the article above concludes:Six-foot-nine guys who can handle the ball and have 7’2 wingspans and big physical frames and switch everything defensively are a big part of the NBA’s evolution.
With Hachimura, the Wizards may have just evolved.
nate33 wrote:Oringher analyzed Hachmura, expecting to come to the same general negative conclusion as the consensus. But when he did his review, he came to the exact opposite conclusion. Basically, Oringher thinks Hachimura will be a very good defender and was, in fact, a very good defender at Gonzaga. He executed Gonzaga's scheme as it was supposed to be executed, leading them to a 33-4 record. Oringher apparently thinks Hachimura's defense is actually ahead of his offense.
I_Like_Dirt wrote:nate33 wrote:Oringher analyzed Hachmura, expecting to come to the same general negative conclusion as the consensus. But when he did his review, he came to the exact opposite conclusion. Basically, Oringher thinks Hachimura will be a very good defender and was, in fact, a very good defender at Gonzaga. He executed Gonzaga's scheme as it was supposed to be executed, leading them to a 33-4 record. Oringher apparently thinks Hachimura's defense is actually ahead of his offense.
I think Hachimura suffered more from the direct comparison to Clarke. Clarke's stats were so off the wall amazing that Hachimura looked pedestrian by comparison. When you look at Hachimura as a standalone prospect, though, he actually looks really good. He averaged 20/7/2 in 30 mpg on 59/42/74 split with a TS% of .639 and a USG% of 28.1 on a team that finished 33-4. Guys who can do that at the age of 20 (turned 21 in February) don't come along very often, regardless of if their defense is good or bad. And for defense, his defense wasn't bad, just not otherworldly amazing. He'll probably never be amazing on defense but he's more than fine and has the size, length and quickness that he isn't going to be exploitable in a decent system. People may have wanted other prospects, and that's totally understandable. Whether they did or didn't, Rui was and still is a fantastic prospect and just because internet mocks had him lower doesn't necessarily mean he was a reach.
I just think lots of onlookers, including online mocks, had a hard time putting Rui above Clarke, and if they were going to put Clarke in the late lottery or just outside of it like they usually did, they'd bump Rui a little lower. To explain dropping him so low, they couldn't point to offense since he was both better and younger than Clarke on offense and instead they fell back to defense which is a lot harder to quantify and therefore a reasonably easy target.
prime1time wrote:Dat2U wrote:Rui was coached well offensively and worked really hard on that end. The passing isn't there despite a flash here and there as evidenced by the A/TO ratio. He doesn't zero awareness but he has a ways to go.
I find the Giannis comparison ridiculous. Rui is 3 years older. Giannis was running the PG at 18 overseas. Nothing alike in any way.
The versatility is all in theory. I don't know how you look at him laterally as say he's defending perimeter guys. He got beat every time in that vid and tried to make a late recovery. That generally doesn't work against NBA guys.
Does he have the awareness to defend the C postion? That seems like a reach. Its not addressed in the vid.
Offensively his skillset is very much a old school 4. Its nearly all 18 ft and in. That can be re made but that takes time.
You're assuming about his offense. How much of what he showed is what he was instructed by Coach Few to do? Earlier in this thread I posted an article about Rui post practice while Spurs scout was there...Mark Few blew the final whistle on Gonzaga's basketball practice more than 20 minutes ago, but Rui Hachimura hasn't stopped shooting. Few, Gonzaga's head coach, has moved from the floor to the stands to talk with a scout from the San Antonio Spurs. And Hachimura, who'd been tipped off to the scout's attendance before practice, is giving the pair plenty to discuss.
One minute, he's calling for the ball from well beyond the college three-point line to show how his catch-and-shoot game could extend to NBA range. The next, he's dribble-driving hard into the key only to slam on the brakes, throw himself in reverse and swish a fadeaway jumper. And now he's taking off from damn near the free-throw line and gliding to the rim with such grace that a casual observer could conclude that this dunk is effortless.
I_Like_Dirt wrote:I didn't say he was an obvious pick. There are a few kids I would suggest were fantastic prospects in this draft and Rui was one of them, that's all.
I don't know how you would scout someone without looking at what they've done/can do. If you don't use that, you're being foolish in the extreme. Everyone does that in their analysis so let's not pretend otherwise. The reasons people downgrade him tend to be extremely subjective and intangible so mucb as to be more of a feeling than anything. Rui does well by most statistical and/or measurble means. Dedric Lawson wasn't as efficient offensively and doesn't have any skills quite as elite to push above average on the NBA level to carry him. That said, I like Lawson, too, and think he may yet prove the league wrong, but let's not pretend there weren't reasons Rui was more highly regarded.
I can see this is going to be like last year where extreme cynicism towards the franchise is going to spill over to a kid that doesn't deserve it, though.
Illmatic12 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Offensively his skillset is very much a old school 4. Its nearly all 18 ft and in. That can be re made but that takes time.
