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The Wizards Plan (cracking the Beal Wall Tommy Wizards)

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Re: The Wizards Plan (cracking the Beal Wall Tommy Wizards) 

Post#81 » by Illmatic12 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:53 pm

nate33 wrote:
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https://heavy.com/sports/2018/10/pacers-myles-turner-contract-extension/

Antetokounmpo. Or any similarly "big" move

We already have Bryant. Turner would be another contract we'd have to "move". He's not as valuable or movable to another team as a top 5 pick. Plus we need that pick to draft Wall's replacement.

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You’ve paid attention to the leaguewide moves that happened this offseason yes?

Miami had zero cap space this summer and they were still able to acquire a max FA. We are seeing now that creating cap room on short notice is not really an obstacle. If Wash were on the verge of signing an FA of Giannis caliber I have no doubt they would be able to clear capspace within 24-48 hrs.

There is also the option of sign-and-trades. We need to acquire talented young players on good contracts (like Myles Turner), everything else can be figured out later.

It's not that easy when you have Wall on a supermax and Beal on a max. If we are assuming both of those guys are to be kept, and we are also assuming we traded for a Miles Turner tier guy, there is simply no way to acquire a superstar to join them.

Ultimately, I agree with JAR69 on this point. It doesn't make sense to build around Hachimura, Brown, Bryant and our 2020 lotto pick while also keeping Wall.

There are people who get paid 6 figures to figure out how to work around the NBA salary cap - they are the ones who will know what’s possible and what isn’t.

Miami had the highest payroll in the league and just added a max player . In the NBA whether a transaction is “easy” or not depends on the desire to get it done.

If Giannis hypothetically wanted to come here in 2021, could we not send out Turner’s salary to Milwaukee in a S&T ? Is that not exactly what Miami did in sending Josh Richardson to Philly in the Butler S&T? Salaries are always movable assets, especially when you have good contracts and don’t need to provide additional incentives to move them.

And when it comes to building for the future, Wall’s contract won’t be a hindrance past 2023 and could possibly be moved before then .
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Re: The Wizards Plan (cracking the Beal Wall Tommy Wizards) 

Post#82 » by nate33 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:18 pm

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Illmatic12 wrote:You’ve paid attention to the leaguewide moves that happened this offseason yes?

Miami had zero cap space this summer and they were still able to acquire a max FA. We are seeing now that creating cap room on short notice is not really an obstacle. If Wash were on the verge of signing an FA of Giannis caliber I have no doubt they would be able to clear capspace within 24-48 hrs.

There is also the option of sign-and-trades. We need to acquire talented young players on good contracts (like Myles Turner), everything else can be figured out later.

It's not that easy when you have Wall on a supermax and Beal on a max. If we are assuming both of those guys are to be kept, and we are also assuming we traded for a Miles Turner tier guy, there is simply no way to acquire a superstar to join them.

Ultimately, I agree with JAR69 on this point. It doesn't make sense to build around Hachimura, Brown, Bryant and our 2020 lotto pick while also keeping Wall.

There are people who get paid 6 figures to figure out how to work around the NBA salary cap - they are the ones who will know what’s possible and what isn’t.

Miami had the highest payroll in the league and just added a max player . In the NBA whether a transaction is “easy” or not depends on the desire to get it done.

If Giannis hypothetically wanted to come here in 2021, could we not send out Turner’s salary to Milwaukee in a S&T ? Is that not exactly what Miami did in sending Josh Richardson to Philly in the Butler S&T? Salaries are always movable assets, especially when you have good contracts and don’t need to provide additional incentives to move them.

And when it comes to building for the future, Wall’s contract won’t be a hindrance past 2023 and could possibly be moved before then .

I didn't realize that you were open to trading Turner after acquiring him.

Nevertheless, it's still damn near impossible to keep and pay a team featuring two supermax contracts (Wall and Giannis) plus another max or possible supermax in Beal. The luxtax costs would be astronomical.

I just think it makes a whole lot more sense to unload Wall.
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Re: The Wizards Plan (cracking the Beal Wall Tommy Wizards) 

Post#83 » by doclinkin » Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:56 pm

nate33 wrote:
Illmatic12 wrote:
SUPERBALLMAN wrote:


https://heavy.com/sports/2018/10/pacers-myles-turner-contract-extension/

Antetokounmpo. Or any similarly "big" move

We already have Bryant. Turner would be another contract we'd have to "move". He's not as valuable or movable to another team as a top 5 pick. Plus we need that pick to draft Wall's replacement.

.

You’ve paid attention to the leaguewide moves that happened this offseason yes?

Miami had zero cap space this summer and they were still able to acquire a max FA. We are seeing now that creating cap room on short notice is not really an obstacle. If Wash were on the verge of signing an FA of Giannis caliber I have no doubt they would be able to clear capspace within 24-48 hrs.

There is also the option of sign-and-trades. We need to acquire talented young players on good contracts (like Myles Turner), everything else can be figured out later.

It's not that easy when you have Wall on a supermax and Beal on a max. If we are assuming both of those guys are to be kept, and we are also assuming we traded for a Miles Turner tier guy, there is simply no way to acquire a superstar to join them.

Ultimately, I agree with JAR69 on this point. It doesn't make sense to build around Hachimura, Brown, Bryant and our 2020 lotto pick while also keeping Wall.


The Nets just sold for 2 Billion dollars. Gambling money has not yet started to affect the cap, but Leonsis is wiring the building to make it gambling friendly for UK style prop bets (betting on individual player performances, halftime bets etc) and he 86'ed the Greene Turtle to make room for a sportsbook. Hell he 86'ed Phil and Buck to snazz and stat up the broadcast and entice bettors.

I'd submit we have no real idea what the cap is going to be in the next few years of the CBA and what sort of room we may or may not have available. And we have shown we are willing to pay the lux tax if it comes to that. Recall Leonsis is trying to sell the public on the idea that we are changing the foundation of how we do business. He's talking up a crusade of fixing not just the basketball in the building but revitalizing the region and shaping kids lives etc. It's not just a business venture its a crusade. He's pouring money into front office positions and building new facilities etc. As soon as Ms Jobs bought a piece of the team suddenly we built a practice facility and arena for the WNBA and purchased a Go-Go squad re-worked the former Phone Booth. AND paid the lux tax.

That double bottom line thing sometimes costs a bit of money up front. A loss leader, in order to become a leader. The team is tripling its staff and creating new departments within itself. I think we don't treat the lux tax as the same kind of boogeyman that other teams do. This is not small market Utah or Charlotte who are scared to pay Kemba or Gobert. If the team is playing well and there's an opportunity to make a real push I suspect we will. Though the rules make it tricky to add salary in free agency when you are already capped out, still, if there is a chance to compete within the Wall Beal era, I think Ted feels he owes it to these two to try. I get the impression that was the promise he made Beal.

That said, right, our best hope, as is the hope of every team that is trying to build a lasting contender, is to draft smart and get lucky.
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Re: The Wizards Plan (cracking the Beal Wall Tommy Wizards) 

Post#84 » by Illmatic12 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:02 pm

nate33 wrote:
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nate33 wrote:It's not that easy when you have Wall on a supermax and Beal on a max. If we are assuming both of those guys are to be kept, and we are also assuming we traded for a Miles Turner tier guy, there is simply no way to acquire a superstar to join them.

Ultimately, I agree with JAR69 on this point. It doesn't make sense to build around Hachimura, Brown, Bryant and our 2020 lotto pick while also keeping Wall.

There are people who get paid 6 figures to figure out how to work around the NBA salary cap - they are the ones who will know what’s possible and what isn’t.

Miami had the highest payroll in the league and just added a max player . In the NBA whether a transaction is “easy” or not depends on the desire to get it done.

If Giannis hypothetically wanted to come here in 2021, could we not send out Turner’s salary to Milwaukee in a S&T ? Is that not exactly what Miami did in sending Josh Richardson to Philly in the Butler S&T? Salaries are always movable assets, especially when you have good contracts and don’t need to provide additional incentives to move them.

And when it comes to building for the future, Wall’s contract won’t be a hindrance past 2023 and could possibly be moved before then .

I didn't realize that you were open to trading Turner after acquiring him.

Nevertheless, it's still damn near impossible to keep and pay a team featuring two supermax contracts (Wall and Giannis) plus another max or possible supermax in Beal. The luxtax costs would be astronomical.

I just think it makes a whole lot more sense to unload Wall.

Yeah maybe I wasn’t clear , but the impetus behind flipping the pick is to acquire quality proven players who are young and thus could maintain or increase their asset value. This allows you to compete while maintaining optionality. You can keep your team together and compete with a young core, but if any star becomes available on the trade market you would have the type of young players and salary ballast that those franchises would be looking for in return.

I think instead of putting all of our eggs in the 2021 free agency basket, the Wiz should be aggressive on the trade market in making moves that will be a set up for future moves.

As far as unloading Wall, imo it doesn’t make sense to do so at the moment because nothing is imminent. It’s not like Anthony Davis said he wants to come here and now we suddenly have to clear 2020 cap room. We’re under the tax for now and a Beal extension wouldn’t kick until 2021-22. So there’s some time to figure out how to approach Wall’s situation and also to let him build up his value on the court.
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Post#85 » by deneem4 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 9:23 pm

I think we’re replicating the rockets in a mold of Beal being harden in his early rocket years....
Solid players at positions that can play both sides...
With wall coming back we get some sorta of Paul and harden...(that combo was good enough to get to the wcf)
Now Beal is no harden
Harden has transcended to another level but Beal has a similar game and has definitely improved as an iso scorer with even more room to improve as he has shown after wall went down...
Hachimura and Bryant are great fits
Hachi seems to be able to create his own shot and brown has been looking like a great small ball era center...
Pay your beals....or its lights out!!!
Bron, Bosh, Wade is like Mike, Hakeem, barkley...3 top 5 picks from same draft
mike, hakeem and Barkley on the same team!!!!
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Re: The Wizards Plan (cracking the Beal Wall Tommy Wizards) 

Post#86 » by nate33 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:45 am

Illmatic12 wrote:As far as unloading Wall, imo it doesn’t make sense to do so at the moment because nothing is imminent. It’s not like Anthony Davis said he wants to come here and now we suddenly have to clear 2020 cap room. We’re under the tax for now and a Beal extension wouldn’t kick until 2021-22. So there’s some time to figure out how to approach Wall’s situation and also to let him build up his value on the court.

I agree completely. The earliest I would consider moving Wall would be at the Trade Deadline in the 2020-21 season after he has had a full year to recover from the injury and another 50 games or so to demonstrate that he is still a very good player. Also, his horrible contract will be just 2.3 years long at that point, not 4 years long.
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Re: The Wizards Plan (cracking the Beal Wall Tommy Wizards) 

Post#87 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:47 am

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payitforward wrote:I just had a funny thought. You'll notice from that article that one of the people whom Ted asked for input was Barack.

It couldn't be that one of our registered participants here is an ex ... nah.

Then again if he were, you'd expect really informed posts, right? So... you don't think maybe one of our more thoughtful posters, like maybe nate...? nah, no way... right?

Though, you know, as I start to think about it... I mean, presenting yourself as on the right politically, I mean what better way to obscure your real identity? ... nah... come on! It just can't be!!

Still... What about it, nate?

:)


CCJ lives in Hawaii, which is BOs state of birth, and is a very informed contributor :nod:


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**I recently read up on the Obama. Never realized both of his birth parents were PhDs. I knew he was raised by his grandparents (white family from Kansas, transplants here in HI).**

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Re: The Wizards Plan (cracking the Beal Wall Tommy Wizards) 

Post#88 » by nate33 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 12:39 pm

payitforward wrote:I just had a funny thought. You'll notice from that article that one of the people whom Ted asked for input was Barack.

It couldn't be that one of our registered participants here is an ex ... nah.

Then again if he were, you'd expect really informed posts, right? So... you don't think maybe one of our more thoughtful posters, like maybe nate...? nah, no way... right?

Though, you know, as I start to think about it... I mean, presenting yourself as on the right politically, I mean what better way to obscure your real identity? ... nah... come on! It just can't be!!

Still... What about it, nate?

:)

I'm deeply offended PIF. That one hurt...

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