Troy Brown out for 4 weeks with calf

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[nate33]

He'll be back by the time the season starts, but it sucks that he'll miss training camp and most of pre-season.

The silver lining is that Schofield and Jones should get more opportunities.

[80sballboy]

Who's next? We should put our guys in bubbles in the offseason. This is not a major setback but wanted to see him progress in the preseason. Isn't C.J. Miles already hurt so sure, Schofield and Jemmerio Jones along with Rui playing some at the 3 in preseason.

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[JWizmentality]

Lol this team.

[Ruzious]

A particularly big opportunity for Jones. Brown's injury makes Jones the most interesting story of the Wiz preseason (other than Rui).

[Illmatic12]

A particularly big opportunity for Jones. Brown's injury makes Jones the most interesting story of the Wiz preseason (other than Rui).

I actually think Justin Robinson has the biggest opportunity here . He could legitimately take the backup or even starting spot by playing well in ITs absence. He fits the profile of a lot of recent senior PGs who gave quality production as rookies (Yogi Ferrell, Jalen Brunson, Monte Morris)

Brown is slated to be back pretty soon , so unless he plays out of his mind Jones will probably be waived after preseason.

[Ruzious]

A particularly big opportunity for Jones. Brown's injury makes Jones the most interesting story of the Wiz preseason (other than Rui).

I actually think Justin Robinson has the biggest opportunity here . He could legitimately take the backup or even starting spot by playing well in ITs absence. He fits the profile of a lot of recent senior PGs who gave quality production as rookies (Yogi Ferrell, Jalen Brunson, Monte Morris)

Brown is slated to be back pretty soon , so unless he plays out of his mind Jones will probably be waived after preseason.

Totally disagree with that last comment. Jones just has to make a decent percentage on his jumper. He's already an excellent defender and out of this world rebounder, and he's actually a good passer. Imo, there's no reason to assume Bonga and Wagner will make the team. And if Robinson doesn't play particularly well, I wouldn't assume he makes the team. The team can afford to eat small guaranteed contracts.

[Illmatic12]

A particularly big opportunity for Jones. Brown's injury makes Jones the most interesting story of the Wiz preseason (other than Rui).

I actually think Justin Robinson has the biggest opportunity here . He could legitimately take the backup or even starting spot by playing well in ITs absence. He fits the profile of a lot of recent senior PGs who gave quality production as rookies (Yogi Ferrell, Jalen Brunson, Monte Morris)

Brown is slated to be back pretty soon , so unless he plays out of his mind Jones will probably be waived after preseason.

Totally disagree with that last comment. Jones just has to make a decent percentage on his jumper. He's already an excellent defender and out of this world rebounder, and he's actually a good passer. Imo, there's no reason to assume Bonga and Wagner will make the team. And if Robinson doesn't play particularly well, I wouldn't assume he makes the team. The team can afford to eat small guaranteed contracts.

Tbh my analysis is largely sourced by the reports coming from the team.

Reportedly Wagner was considered by the FO as the prime target of the Lakers transaction (well other than the 2022 “double draft” 2nd rd pick). So it doesn’t really matter how poorly Mo plays in camp , Wiz staff believe there is something there and won’t waive him without giving him development time in their program. And if he disappoints, then they’ll likely try to trade him for anything and not just cut him.

Robinson was targeted by the Wizards prior to the draft, they made a deal with his agent to decline being drafted with a promise that he’d be signed in DC. So again, the interest they’ve shown in acquiring this player makes it unlikely that he’d be cut for 2 weeks of poor play.

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What "reports coming from the team?"

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I actually think Justin Robinson has the biggest opportunity here . He could legitimately take the backup or even starting spot by playing well in ITs absence. He fits the profile of a lot of recent senior PGs who gave quality production as rookies (Yogi Ferrell, Jalen Brunson, Monte Morris)

Brown is slated to be back pretty soon , so unless he plays out of his mind Jones will probably be waived after preseason.

Totally disagree with that last comment. Jones just has to make a decent percentage on his jumper. He's already an excellent defender and out of this world rebounder, and he's actually a good passer. Imo, there's no reason to assume Bonga and Wagner will make the team. And if Robinson doesn't play particularly well, I wouldn't assume he makes the team. The team can afford to eat small guaranteed contracts.

Tbh my analysis is largely sourced by the reports coming from the team.

Reportedly Wagner was considered by the FO as the prime target of the Lakers transaction (well other than the 2022 “double draft” 2nd rd pick). So it doesn’t really matter how poorly Mo plays in camp , Wiz staff believe there is something there and won’t waive him without giving him development time in their program. And if he disappoints, then they’ll likely try to trade him for anything and not just cut him.

Robinson was targeted by the Wizards prior to the draft, they made a deal with his agent to decline being drafted with a promise that he’d be signed in DC. So again, the interest they’ve shown in acquiring this player makes it unlikely that he’d be cut for 2 weeks of poor play.

i agree that Justin Robinson won't be going anywhere soon. But... how you think he "fits the profile of... Yogi Ferrell, Jalen Brunson, Monte Morris..." I'd love to know. Which one is he similar to? Wait, let me answer that for you: none of them.

Or do you think their analysis works this way: "other senior point guards have been good. That an indication that Justin Robinson will be good" -- is that it? Hope not! B/c if so, then they are idiots, which I don't think they are.

Of course they'll try to trade Wagner if they don't want him. They would trade any player rather than cut him. You are certainly right that, as an ex-R1 pick, Wagner will get multiple opportunities to demonstrate clearly that he can't play in the NBA.

As to Jones, for sure, he may be the odd man out. Someone has to be. But your blithe certainty is... well, lets just call it unfounded.

What happens if Jones dominates scrimmages in TC, the way he dominated games for the Lakers once they signed him? I'll be surprised if he doesn't dominate them.

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Robinson was targeted by the Wizards prior to the draft, they made a deal with his agent to decline being drafted with a promise that he’d be signed in DC. So again, the interest they’ve shown in acquiring this player makes it unlikely that he’d be cut for 2 weeks of poor play.

How exactly do you "decline being drafted?"

[Ruzious]

Robinson was targeted by the Wizards prior to the draft, they made a deal with his agent to decline being drafted with a promise that he’d be signed in DC. So again, the interest they’ve shown in acquiring this player makes it unlikely that he’d be cut for 2 weeks of poor play.

How exactly do you "decline being drafted?"

Lol, that one flew me for a loop. But maybe it explains why the Wiz gave Robinson some guaranteed money.

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Robinson was targeted by the Wizards prior to the draft, they made a deal with his agent to decline being drafted with a promise that he’d be signed in DC. So again, the interest they’ve shown in acquiring this player makes it unlikely that he’d be cut for 2 weeks of poor play.

How exactly do you "decline being drafted?"

Lol, that one flew me for a loop. But maybe it explains why the Wiz gave Robinson some guaranteed money.

Robinson was basically a free agent after he went undrafted.

The guaranteed deal was just a way to give them a leg up on other offers and to signal that they envisioned a role for him with the team.

There's not really any mechanism available for draft eligible players to refuse to get drafted.

I suppose if a team reached out to a players agent before making the selection he could let it be known that his client would prefer a different destination but there's very little he can do to sway a team.

Aside from that, I would imagine that a team making under the table deals like this would very quickly find itself in violation of tampering rules.

[Ruzious]

How exactly do you "decline being drafted?"

Lol, that one flew me for a loop. But maybe it explains why the Wiz gave Robinson some guaranteed money.

Robinson was basically a free agent after he went undrafted.

The guaranteed deal was just a way to give them a leg up on other offers and to signal that they envisioned a role for him with the team.

There's not really any mechanism available for draft eligible players to refuse to get drafted.

I suppose if a team reached out to a players agent before making the selection he could let it be known that his client would prefer a different destination but there's very little he can do to sway a team.

Aside from that, I would imagine that a team making under the table deals like this would very quickly find itself in violation of tampering rules.

Hey, I'm just trying to make some sense out of Illmatic's comment. Maybe he knows something that we don't.

[nate33]

It's worth noting that the training staff tends to be hyper protective in the preseason. I suspect Troy Brown's strained calf isn't really that big of a deal. He'll probably be resting for the first week or two, but will be able to participate in shooting drills and non contact drills after that.

If this was the regular season, he'd probably be out for a week or two.

[CntOutSmrtCrazy]

It's worth noting that the training staff tends to be hyper protective in the preseason. I suspect Troy Brown's strained calf isn't really that big of a deal. He'll probably be resting for the first week or two, but will be able to participate in shooting drills and non contact drills after that.

If this was the regular season, he'd probably be out for a week or two.

Agreed. Plus no reason for them to rush anything with him as we hope he has a long season to develop. Don't really care if he misses a couple regular season games to be overly cautious.

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How exactly do you "decline being drafted?"

Lol, that one flew me for a loop. But maybe it explains why the Wiz gave Robinson some guaranteed money.

Robinson was basically a free agent after he went undrafted.

The guaranteed deal was just a way to give them a leg up on other offers and to signal that they envisioned a role for him with the team.

There's not really any mechanism available for draft eligible players to refuse to get drafted.

I suppose if a team reached out to a players agent before making the selection he could let it be known that his client would prefer a different destination but there's very little he can do to sway a team.

Aside from that, I would imagine that a team making under the table deals like this would very quickly find itself in violation of tampering rules.

Yeah, I raised this issue a while ago. If I were a GM interested in taking someone like Robinson in R2, & his agent discouraged me by saying "my client wants to play for X, & X wants him too," that wouldn't dissuade me from drafting the kid! Far from it; it would persuade me to draft him -- & then trade him to X, getting back something extra. Duh!

But, my guess is that to some degree GMs are like an old boy's club; they do each other favors -- & especially in R2 where it's no doubt perceived that less is at stake, this kind of thing is possible. Maybe the GM who passed on Robinson will find an occasion to remind Tommy of the fact & get some kind of "quid" for his "quo."

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[Illmatic12]

Robinson was targeted by the Wizards prior to the draft, they made a deal with his agent to decline being drafted with a promise that he’d be signed in DC. So again, the interest they’ve shown in acquiring this player makes it unlikely that he’d be cut for 2 weeks of poor play.

How exactly do you "decline being drafted?"

Lol, that one flew me for a loop. But maybe it explains why the Wiz gave Robinson some guaranteed money.

Robinson’s agent had some control over the process and declined the opportunity to be drafted in the late 2nd. See below:

Perhaps because of his late-season injury, Robinson did not hear his name called by NBA Deputy Commissioner Mark Tatum, who announces the second-round picks. But according to the perceptive point guard, that was by choice.

“The ultimate goal was to get drafted. We had some phone calls around the 40s area that we turned down to be in the best possible fit,” Robinson said Tuesday after his first minicamp practice with the Wizards, “which we thought was here.”

Feel free to read the rest of the article, which makes it clear that Tommy Sheppard personally coveted Robinson and obviously intends for him to be on the roster ..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2019/06/26/justin-robinsons-name-wasnt-called-nba-draft-he-sees-opportunity-with-wizards/

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Lol, that one flew me for a loop. But maybe it explains why the Wiz gave Robinson some guaranteed money.

Robinson was basically a free agent after he went undrafted.

The guaranteed deal was just a way to give them a leg up on other offers and to signal that they envisioned a role for him with the team.

There's not really any mechanism available for draft eligible players to refuse to get drafted.

I suppose if a team reached out to a players agent before making the selection he could let it be known that his client would prefer a different destination but there's very little he can do to sway a team.

Aside from that, I would imagine that a team making under the table deals like this would very quickly find itself in violation of tampering rules.

Yeah, I raised this issue a while ago. If I were a GM interested in taking someone like Robinson in R2, & his agent discouraged me by saying "my client wants to play for X, & X wants him too," that wouldn't dissuade me from drafting the kid! Far from it; it would persuade me to draft him -- & then trade him to X, getting back something extra. Duh!

But, my guess is that to some degree GMs are like an old boy's club; they do each other favors -- & especially in R2 where it's no doubt perceived that less is at stake, this kind of thing is possible. Maybe the GM who passed on Robinson will find an occasion to remind Tommy of the fact & get some kind of "quid" for his "quo."

It’s not about quid pro quo between GMs, it’s about maintaining the relationship between GM and agent.

If an agent asks you not to draft his client , you generally don’t want to piss them off.. agents represent other players. So ruining that relationship could come back to bite you down the line.