Political Roundtable Part XXVII

[dobrojim]

Harris would be an obvious choice for AG (thinking waaaay ahead).

[I_Like_Dirt]

Actually if you want someone from the squad, Ayanna Pressley - except she didn't endorse Bernie so...

Yeah, she endorsed Warren, who is from her home state and seems like a person Bernie should be able to get along with but can't. Honestly, though, I actually think Pressley might be the best suggestion in this thread so far. She's a much better option than nominating Warren and losing a senate seat. She would definitely challenge a lot of Bernie supporters to either put up or shut and decide whether they're interested in Bernie's ideas or just Bernie himself. And fair or not, she also ticks the box as African American, and that matters here, particularly, as that previous tweet alluded to, given how much they've supported Biden in general. I don't think any of the candidates, current or dropped out, make good running mates for Biden. Pressley is someone that actually warrants consideration.

[dobrojim]

:cry:

So, who's going to be Biden's running mate? Too soon?

Spoiler:

I'd go with Stacey Abrams - picking up on his focus on the South and minorities. And she's a positive likable energetic force, very well spoken, and people know she was ripped off in the GA gubernatorial race. She doesn't have a perfect background (such as owing the IRS for a few years), but that can be a positive - as people can identify with the problems she overcame.

Way too soon. Sanders can still come back and win this. It’s obvious Joe has lost a step so it would be important to have a VP with “experience” who you can see stepping into the Presidential role. Warren would be an excellent choice to balance the ticket but also unite the Progressives of the party. Abrams while she might not have as much experience (ironically she’d be very well qualified if she wasn’t cheated out of the governorship) is young, can connect with all people incredibly well, will help get wins in South (two Senate seats are up in her home state of Georgia) and she’ll put the fight for Democracy and fair elections at the forefront of the 2020 Presidential race while Republicans and Trump are blatantly trying to cheat. The only problem is she may not be Progressive enough for Bernie supporters. Another choice is Barbara Lee who I’ve seen talked about for Bernie’s running mate. While she’s not young, she’s a Progressive darling, the only person against the Iraq war and an African American woman. I believe her only experience has been in Congress but if you want to unite the party she’s an obvious choice that everyone should be happy with.

(I highly doubt it would be Barbara Lee, I agree Abrams is qualified on the basis of her smarts and skills)

As for way too soon -
Was watching Chris Hayes on Monday night and he related the anecdote of BHO's campaign advisor
privately(?) saying the race was over (in 2008) after BHO pulled out to a relatively small lead
after or around the time of Super Tuesday. He turned out to be completely correct.

Because of the way delegates are awarded it is very difficult to overtake what seems to be
a relatively small lead. Even when you lose a primary (statewide) the delta in delegates
awarded is relatively small. Would I bet the house on it? No. But I'd be surprised if Biden
didn't win at this point when you consider his lead (does anyone know what the numbers say yet?)
and also when you consider his likely strength in the upcoming states next week.

[Ruzious]

Abrams or maybe Booker? Or actually Kam Harris.

Kamala Harris aligns most closely with his politics and would likely be a good choice for him.

Abrams speaks well but is untested. Booker is a bit more to the left and may be perceived as more of a maverick type.

I just can't see Biden going with Harris after she took those overly dramatic shots against him in one of the first 2 Dem debates. "That little girl was me". I think Biden was rightfully angry, and Republicans would pick that apart. Also, I think Abrams has more of an everywoman appeal that people can relate to better. She doesn't seem to be far left, so I don't think the politics will be a problem.

[dobrojim]

Which is the most progressive of the three?

Abrams

I don't know as much as I should about her - here is what I found:
https://fairfight.com/

When I've heard her being interviewed I've come away very strongly
impressed. She strikes a happy balance between calm/rational
and passionate about what she believes in. Highly intelligent.

[dobrojim]

Abrams or maybe Booker? Or actually Kam Harris.

Kamala Harris aligns most closely with his politics and would likely be a good choice for him.

Abrams speaks well but is untested. Booker is a bit more to the left and may be perceived as more of a maverick type.

I just can't see Biden going with Harris after she took those overly dramatic shots against him in one of the first 2 Dem debates. "That little girl was me". I think Biden was rightfully angry, and Republicans would pick that apart. Also, I think Abrams has more of an everywoman appeal that people can relate to better. She doesn't seem to be far left, so I don't think the politics will be a problem.

But the reconciliation would paper over a lot of that. But I like Abrams a lot. I also really
like Katie Porter but she probably needs a bit more seasoning (as does Abrams) but, like Abrams,
she's incredibly intelligent.

Either/any of these woman against Pence in a debate would be bordering on unfair.

PS - there are a bunch of things from Biden's past which could be used against him
except the GOP would have to be arguing in incredibly bad faith to try to use them,
since many of these were when he voted like a republican. I guess their point would
be "there's no difference between the parties".

[Pointgod]

Which is the most progressive of the three?

Abrams

I don't know as much as I should about her - here is what I found:
https://fairfight.com/

You should read up on her. She’s very impressive and has a very in depth understanding of how to speak to voters and turn them out. She’d be governor of Georgia if not for having the election stolen from her.

[dckingsfan]

Abrams

I don't know as much as I should about her - here is what I found:
https://fairfight.com/

You should read up on her. She’s very impressive and has a very in depth understanding of how to speak to voters and turn them out. She’d be governor of Georgia if not for having the election stolen from her.

Will do... ignorance isn't my friend here.

BTW, fivethirtyeight still has it as a contested convention. So there is that...

[Ruzious]

Harris would be an obvious choice for AG (thinking waaaay ahead).

And Jill Biden for Secretary of Defense. http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/elections-2020/jill-bidens-epic-tussle-in-split-second-blocking-maneuver-she-protects-husband-from-lunging-vegans/ar-BB10Jr7e?li=BBnb7Kz

[Zonkerbl]

Did I share this article yet here? Can't remember

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/03/04/super-tuesday-bernie-sanders-youth-votes-fell-short-compared-2016/4947795002/

[dckingsfan]

Did I share this article yet here? Can't remember

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/03/04/super-tuesday-bernie-sanders-youth-votes-fell-short-compared-2016/4947795002/

yeah, lots of folks bashing young people for not voting... but they voted at normal historical rates. Putting your money on young people being the difference maker - maybe not such a good idea.

[Kanyewest]

Looks pretty bleak for Sanders unless Biden really stumbles-it looks like Biden sealed a plularity of delegates. It is hard to see the democratic party going for someone to the left unless they blowout the northern states because the southern states are so moderate, a similar pattern played out against Hillary. Sanders lost his chance as soon as everyone dropped out and endorsed Biden (and it could get even worse with Bloomberg dropping out and endorsing Biden).

Also begs to wonder if Clyburn would have won the nomination if he ran.

The trump supporter I know sent me a meme suggesting that Biden is going to lose (he thought Warren would have had a good chance earlier).

[Zonkerbl]

Biden won Maine

[JWizmentality]

I may be wrong but I don't see Biden beating Trump if he gets the nomination.

[MJ7]

I can see Biden making an ass out of himself, Trump saying a joke or even a simple "look at this guy" and then that'll be that. If Twitter politics mean anything (lol) the whole unite the party around Biden gimmick is not getting over with Bernie supporters.

[Zonkerbl]

I think Biden is going to TROUNCE Trump. This isn't about Biden. This is a statement the american people want to make about who we are. We are THE GOOD GUYS. Biden's a good guy. Trump's a bad guy. Every mean nasty thing Trump says, every adorable fumble Biden makes, is just going to reinforce this dynamic. Looking forward to Dem control of all three branches of government for two years until our imbecilic country loses interest in politics again in 2022.

[trending]

I think Biden is going to TROUNCE Trump. This isn't about Biden. This is a statement the american people want to make about who we are. We are THE GOOD GUYS. Biden's a good guy. Trump's a bad guy. Every mean nasty thing Trump says, every adorable fumble Biden makes, is just going to reinforce this dynamic. Looking forward to Dem control of all three branches of government for two years until our imbecilic country loses interest in politics again in 2022.

politicians are all 'bad guys'. the worst are those who try to hide it by cozying up to the media.

[Ruzious]

I can see Biden making an ass out of himself, Trump saying a joke or even a simple "look at this guy" and then that'll be that. If Twitter politics mean anything (lol) the whole unite the party around Biden gimmick is not getting over with Bernie supporters.

Why - are Beavis' and Buttheads the only voters in the general election?

I still don't get why people think someone who calls himself a socialist would get elected President of the US. When push would come to shove, I can't imagine he'd even come close. It's one thing to say in polls they'd vote for him; it's another thing to actually do it.

[dobrojim]

I may be wrong but I don't see Biden beating Trump if he gets the nomination.

IDK.

I think an argument could be made he is the ‘safe’ choice, ie. The
one that the fewest people will have fundamental objections to.
I was personally wishing for someone more inspirational but if
he can carry enough swing states and actually win I’ll be at
least relieved by that.

I’m not convinced Trump is as formidable as some suggest.
He had to pull an inside straight to win last time. Yes it could
happen again but Biden doesn’t have nearly the baggage HRC
had. Turnout in Philly, Detroit and Milwaukee.

Edit to add
There may be a very good reason why Trump wanted to smear Biden.

[gtn130]

I think Biden is going to TROUNCE Trump. This isn't about Biden. This is a statement the american people want to make about who we are. We are THE GOOD GUYS. Biden's a good guy. Trump's a bad guy. Every mean nasty thing Trump says, every adorable fumble Biden makes, is just going to reinforce this dynamic. Looking forward to Dem control of all three branches of government for two years until our imbecilic country loses interest in politics again in 2022.

Remember when Hillary did emails though? Joe Biden won't be such a nice guy after Fox News streams nonstop fear mongering about Hunter Biden into the brains of every person over 50 years old