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Ruzious wrote:Gotta ask: If Dems are so much for a popular vote for the general election, why doesn't the party use that system for their primary?
Kanyewest wrote:Maddow's interview was pretty good. I think Sanders came across as rational and pragmatic although I think he could have been better prepared for Maddow's question on the lack of youth turnout.
Ruzious wrote:Gotta ask: If Dems are so much for a popular vote for the general election, why doesn't the party use that system for their primary?
I_Like_Dirt wrote:Ruzious wrote:Gotta ask: If Dems are so much for a popular vote for the general election, why doesn't the party use that system for their primary?
It's clearly an establishment ploy to punish...
...checks notes...
Elizabeth Warren.
In all seriousness, this is trickier when there are more than two realistic choices and you can't actually form some sort of coalition candidate. As great as it would be for California to basically predetermine the Democratic candidate in any given election, that's probably not an idea way to get the best national candidate.
Zonkerbl wrote:Kanyewest wrote:Maddow's interview was pretty good. I think Sanders came across as rational and pragmatic although I think he could have been better prepared for Maddow's question on the lack of youth turnout.
I dunno, I think he said all he could. "I'm trying. I'm trying to get people to come out and vote who traditionally don't." Obviously it's not working.
Well, let me say this. Bernie needs to pay attention to stats, or hire a statistician. Youth turnout *did* go up. It just got overwhelmed by the huge surge in turnout from everybody else. People *hate* Trump. He's going to get *crushed.*
Pointgod wrote:Wizardspride wrote:?s=19
The Establishment attack line is simply, everyone that doesn’t agree with me. It’s starting to mirror Trump’s rhetoric of Deep State blah blah blah. Like I’ve said many times before, it’s pretty insulting that everyone who is slightly right of Bernie gets labelled as establishment or media controlled like people can’t think for themselves. You can’t win people to your side with that rhetoric. Bernie just cut a smaller and smaller piece of the electorate for himself. He’s learned nothing from 2016.
dckingsfan wrote:I would love a brokered convention where we don't get either of the geriatrics.
TGW wrote:Biden would get destroyed by Trump. Biden can barely form a coherent thought. The Republiican controlled media is already pushing videos of Biden gaffing, forgetting his words, and mushmouthing through speeches. His team hid him from the cameras for months...the same strategy they used with Hillary. It doesn't work.
Biden is an older, goofier version of Hillary with the same baggage. It's sad that the establishment dems are coalescing around this mush for brain dufus. Oh, and people are going to stay home in the GE, just like they did for Hillary.
You boomers refuse to learn any lessons from 2016. Sad.
TGW wrote:Oh, and people are going to stay home in the GE, just like they did for Hillary.
I_Like_Dirt wrote:TGW wrote:Oh, and people are going to stay home in the GE, just like they did for Hillary.
It's actually older voters that are increasing voter turnout more this election and a smaller share of youth turnout is actually going to Bernie thus far. It sure seems like those voters are already staying home even when they have a chance to vote for Bernie. This idea that they're somehow going to turn out after he wins the nomination when they don't turn out before isn't based on logic or reality.
This is like going on a hunger strike because you really like chocolate and you're only going to eat that and aren't going to do anything about it other than vilifying anyone who doesn't bring you chocolate.
gtn130 wrote:TGW is correct. I'm gonna vote for Biden in the general, and I really want Trump out of office, but this is a replay of 2016.
No idea why people are so bullish on Biden in the general vs Trump. We have a long way to go, and ultimately people are just going to fall back on their partisan tendencies. It will come down to turnout, and the Dems, again, have the opposite of an enthusiasm candidate. Hillary's entire campaign strategy was "Trump is bad and as long as I don't rock the boat this should be ok" and that did not drive turnout. Mix in the Comey letter and other ginned up nonsense, and here we are.
HUNTER BIDEN
HUNTER BIDEN
BURISMA
UKRAINE
QUID PRO QUO
HUNTER BIDEN
HUNTER BIDEN
HUNTER BIDEN
HUNTER BIDEN
CROUDSTRIKE
HUNTER BIDEN
HUNTER BIDEN
This isn't difficult.
I_Like_Dirt wrote:This is easy to do for any and every candidate.
Zonkerbl wrote:Kanyewest wrote:Maddow's interview was pretty good. I think Sanders came across as rational and pragmatic although I think he could have been better prepared for Maddow's question on the lack of youth turnout.
I dunno, I think he said all he could. "I'm trying. I'm trying to get people to come out and vote who traditionally don't." Obviously it's not working.
Well, let me say this. Bernie needs to pay attention to stats, or hire a statistician. Youth turnout *did* go up. It just got overwhelmed by the huge surge in turnout from everybody else. People *hate* Trump. He's going to get *crushed.*
Ruzious wrote:TGW wrote:Biden would get destroyed by Trump. Biden can barely form a coherent thought. The Republiican controlled media is already pushing videos of Biden gaffing, forgetting his words, and mushmouthing through speeches. His team hid him from the cameras for months...the same strategy they used with Hillary. It doesn't work.
Biden is an older, goofier version of Hillary with the same baggage. It's sad that the establishment dems are coalescing around this mush for brain dufus. Oh, and people are going to stay home in the GE, just like they did for Hillary.
You boomers refuse to learn any lessons from 2016. Sad.
In 2016, we learned that Sanders couldn't even come close to beating Clinton. Sanders supporters better get on board and show up and support Biden after Sanders loses to him. Otherwise, they might as well admit they've been Trump supporters all along.
Some random troll wrote:Not to sound negative, but this team is owned by an arrogant cheapskate, managed by a moron and coached by an idiot. Recipe for disaster.
gtn130 wrote:I_Like_Dirt wrote:This is easy to do for any and every candidate.
No it's not. Bernie is running as the anti-establishment candidate who opposes billionaires and fights for the working class. Hillary and Biden are many orders of magnitude easier to smear. The key thing is tricking people who read the NYT and Wapo - not Trump's base. Every other NYT article in 2016 was about Hillary's emails because people earnestly treated it like a scandal at the time.
