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This is along the lines of what PIF had suggested in the Johnathan Williams thread.
Frees up a 2 way for J with an H. Or some other PF who can rebound and play defense. I hope.

This guy has a monster plus/minus on many minutes. Look it up and you won't believe your eyes.

Meliorus wrote:This guy has a monster plus/minus on many minutes. Look it up and you won't believe your eyes.

Not according to http://www.82games.com/1920/1920WAS.HTM. They have him far behind Mahinmi. Who's eyes should I believe?

Atrocious shooter/FT shooter with zero touch around the basket, but he knows how to play within his limited skillset

Ruzious wrote:

Meliorus wrote:This guy has a monster plus/minus on many minutes. Look it up and you won't believe your eyes.

Not according to http://www.82games.com/1920/1920WAS.HTM. They have him far behind Mahinmi. Who's eyes should I believe?

With AP on the court the Wizards have a +10.0 net rating. With him off they have a -14.6 Net Rating. A big difference of 24.6 in 231 minutes.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?TeamID=1610612764&VsPlayerID=1628394

youngWizzy wrote:

Ruzious wrote:

Meliorus wrote:This guy has a monster plus/minus on many minutes. Look it up and you won't believe your eyes.

Not according to http://www.82games.com/1920/1920WAS.HTM. They have him far behind Mahinmi. Who's eyes should I believe?

With AP on the court the Wizards have a +10.0 net rating. With him off they have a -14.6 Net Rating. A big difference of 24.6 in 231 minutes.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?TeamID=1610612764&VsPlayerID=1628394

I wouldn't put too much stock in those on/off numbers. First of all, it's a small sample size. And secondly, with Brooks' weird rotation, our 2nd unit is unquestionably better than our starting unit. Our best 3 active players at the moment are Ish, McRae and Brown, and they all play on the 2nd unit. Of course the better unit, while playing against opposing 2nd units, is going to look better than our horrific starting squad playing against opposing starters.

That said, I'm not hating. The guy has real promise. He's extremely long, he has good feet, and he's not afraid to mix it up and get boards. He just needs to develop a perimeter shot and refine his post skills and he'll be a rotation player.

I'm a little curious why we're in such a rush to ink him to a standard contract though. As a 2-way player we have RFA rights, so he's not going anywhere. Why utilize a roster spot when we don't need to? Perhaps we think we're going to need him to play longer than the 45 days that he is eligible to be loaned to us from the G-League. And if that is the case, then that suggests that Wagner is going to be out for a long, long time.

youngWizzy wrote:

Ruzious wrote:

Meliorus wrote:This guy has a monster plus/minus on many minutes. Look it up and you won't believe your eyes.

Not according to http://www.82games.com/1920/1920WAS.HTM. They have him far behind Mahinmi. Who's eyes should I believe?

With AP on the court the Wizards have a +10.0 net rating. With him off they have a -14.6 Net Rating. A big difference of 24.6 in 231 minutes.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?TeamID=1610612764&VsPlayerID=1628394

FWIW, 82games.com has him with a -0.3 overall; -1.9 worse offensively and 1.6 better defensively. http://www.82games.com/1920/19WAS17.HTM

Would have to cut or trade Ian, IT, GP2, CJ, or Davis I guess? Probably GP2 gone.

nate33 wrote:

youngWizzy wrote:

Ruzious wrote:Not according to http://www.82games.com/1920/1920WAS.HTM. They have him far behind Mahinmi. Who's eyes should I believe?

With AP on the court the Wizards have a +10.0 net rating. With him off they have a -14.6 Net Rating. A big difference of 24.6 in 231 minutes.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?TeamID=1610612764&VsPlayerID=1628394

I wouldn't put too much stock in those on/off numbers. First of all, it's a small sample size. And secondly, with Brooks' weird rotation, our 2nd unit is unquestionably better than our starting unit. Our best 3 active players at the moment are Ish, McRae and Brown, and they all play on the 2nd unit. Of course the better unit, while playing against opposing 2nd units, is going to look better than our horrific starting squad playing against opposing starters.

That said, I'm not hating. The guy has real promise. He's extremely long, he has good feet, and he's not afraid to mix it up and get boards. He just needs to develop a perimeter shot and refine his post skills and he'll be a rotation player.

I'm a little curious why we're in such a rush to ink him to a standard contract though. As a 2-way player we have RFA rights, so he's not going anywhere. Why utilize a roster spot when we don't need to? Perhaps we think we're going to need him to play longer than the 45 days that he is eligible to be loaned to us from the G-League. And if that is the case, then that suggests that Wagner is going to be out for a long, long time.

Agree it seems odd to convert him at this point. Leads me to believe your suspicion about Mo being out a long time is correct.

Ruzious wrote:

youngWizzy wrote:

Ruzious wrote:Not according to http://www.82games.com/1920/1920WAS.HTM. They have him far behind Mahinmi. Who's eyes should I believe?

With AP on the court the Wizards have a +10.0 net rating. With him off they have a -14.6 Net Rating. A big difference of 24.6 in 231 minutes.

https://stats.nba.com/vs/advanced/#!?TeamID=1610612764&VsPlayerID=1628394

FWIW, 82games.com has him with a -0.3 overall; -1.9 worse offensively and 1.6 better defensively. http://www.82games.com/1920/19WAS17.HTM

82games updates their numbers weekly at best. Those numbers for Pasecniks are very outdated. They have him playing just 122 total minutes when he has played 231 minutes so far. Furthermore, those first 100 or so minutes were when Beal was still around and our starting squad wasn't a complete train wreck, which explains why the on/off numbers aren't stellar. The starting unit has been a joke lately with the best 3 players on the roster now coming off the bench. That has allowed Pasecniks to post insane on/off differentials.

trast66 wrote:Would have to cut or trade Ian, IT, GP2, CJ, or Davis I guess? Probably GP2 gone.

It'll be CJ if that's possible. I'm just not sure it is. I think we can only cut CJ as part of the process of using our Disabled Player Exception. If we cut CJ without simultaneously using the DPE, we may lose the DPE altogether.

So assuming we need to keep CJ to keep alive our DPE flexibility then the guy who is cut is sure to be either Payton or IT. We just yesterday allowed Payton's contract to become guaranteed for the remainder of the season, which certainly suggests we want to keep him for the year. So that really only leaves cutting/trading IT or trading Bertans. And we're not trading Bertans.

If Pasecniks is converted to a standard contract, I think IT is gone. Dare I hope that that is an indication that we plan to play Wall at some point this season?

Grab Gary Clark ASAP

https://www.bulletsforever.com/2020/1/7/21051653/jonathan-williams-washington-wizards-nba-player-analysis

Interesting article by Yanir Rubinstein @bulletsforever

Towards the end she/he? talks about Williams impact on Pasečņiks rebounding.

“In the 4 games Pasečņiks played without Williams he actually had only 4.3 rebounds in 20.9 minutes, and take this: in the 6 games they played together Pasečņiks had 8 rebounds in 20.8 minutes.”

“...rumored to be on the radars of the Celtics, Rockets, and a few other teams.”

youngWizzy wrote:Grab Gary Clark ASAP

Really?

I'm not so sure. His advanced stats are nice because he plays in Houston's system where literally all he does is camp out in the corner and shoot 3's. A whopping 86.4% of his shot attempts are 3's, and about half of those are from the corner, and literally all of them are assisted. There really isn't any indication that he can do anything else on offense.

nate33 wrote:

youngWizzy wrote:Grab Gary Clark ASAP

Really?

I'm not so sure. His advanced stats are nice because he plays in Houston's system where literally all he does is camp out in the corner and shoot 3's. A whopping 86.4% of his shot attempts are 3's, and about half of those are from the corner, and literally all of them are assisted. There really isn't any indication that he can do anything else on offense.

Did you watch him in college? His college numbers were amazing. This guy is a very versatile defender, a guy I wanted to draft a couple years ago. He is primarily known for his defense. He will be a rotation player for sure, just didnt have enough opportunity.

youngWizzy wrote:Grab Gary Clark ASAP

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I'm surprised they're cutting him. Didn't play much, but he was starting to develop. I could see him eventually being a PJ Tucker type. He certainly took a lot of 3's in the time he played.

youngWizzy wrote:

nate33 wrote:

youngWizzy wrote:Grab Gary Clark ASAP

Really?

I'm not so sure. His advanced stats are nice because he plays in Houston's system where literally all he does is camp out in the corner and shoot 3's. A whopping 86.4% of his shot attempts are 3's, and about half of those are from the corner, and literally all of them are assisted. There really isn't any indication that he can do anything else on offense.

Did you watch him in college? His college numbers were amazing. This guy is a very versatile defender, a guy I wanted to draft a couple years ago. He is primarily known for his defense. He will be a rotation player for sure, just didnt have enough opportunity.

No. I didn't watch him in college. It's good to hear that he's a good defender. I'm just cautioning that Houston's system allows for near-worthless offensive players to succeed. There's no guarantee that his offensive competence in Houston will transfer.

He did have amazing numbers at Cincinnati.

youngWizzy wrote:

nate33 wrote:

youngWizzy wrote:Grab Gary Clark ASAP

Really?

I'm not so sure. His advanced stats are nice because he plays in Houston's system where literally all he does is camp out in the corner and shoot 3's. A whopping 86.4% of his shot attempts are 3's, and about half of those are from the corner, and literally all of them are assisted. There really isn't any indication that he can do anything else on offense.

Did you watch him in college? His college numbers were amazing. This guy is a very versatile defender, a guy I wanted to draft a couple years ago. He is primarily known for his defense. He will be a rotation player for sure, just didnt have enough opportunity.

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youngWizzy wrote:

nate33 wrote:

youngWizzy wrote:Grab Gary Clark ASAP

Really?

I'm not so sure. His advanced stats are nice because he plays in Houston's system where literally all he does is camp out in the corner and shoot 3's. A whopping 86.4% of his shot attempts are 3's, and about half of those are from the corner, and literally all of them are assisted. There really isn't any indication that he can do anything else on offense.

Did you watch him in college? His college numbers were amazing. This guy is a very versatile defender, a guy I wanted to draft a couple years ago. He is primarily known for his defense. He will be a rotation player for sure, just didnt have enough opportunity.

There was no need to draft him. Just sign him undrafted -- which I was jumping up and down urging us to do.

My guess as to why convert AP soon is that they hope to move Mahinmi soon. Ian has been doing kind of sorta ok recently and might look decent as a 15 minute a night backup for a playoff team.