Re: NBA Season Suspended Indefinitely
Posted: Thu Jun 4, 2020 5:05 am
I’m pissed that Wall won’t play.
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dlts20 wrote:I'm pretty sure at this point that when our team returns, Wall will probably be practicing full time with them so at that point, you might as well play.
I would even speed the minutes restriction along. The NBA already said no b2bs. Give him 15min the first 2 games, 20 the next 2, 25 the next 2, and 30 the last 2. Then play 30 plus in the playoffs.
The thing is because of the suspension, John really isn't behind anyone. It's not like he's coming back while everyone is in mid season form or playoff form. They will have been off for months by then and starting cold turkey like Wall. It's as good of a time as any and he won't have questions going into next season.
Like I said, most guys just aren't built like that anymore. Wall included. I mean the Knicks went to the finals in the strike season as the 8th seed. This is when upsets happen. The bucks have one true super star and we have been to games 6 and 7 of the 2nd round twice. They aren't unbeatable to the point that you don't even try. Look at GS being the 8th seed and taking out Dallas with their 1 star
payitforward wrote:In short, for me at least, the more games we play the better. & the more games we win the more games we play. So... win 'em all..\
montestewart wrote:payitforward wrote:In short, for me at least, the more games we play the better. & the more games we win the more games we play. So... win 'em all..\
So, in theory, the Wizards could take each series to the maximum, and get the maximum playoff experience? In theory, they could win each series, and get the NBA Title? And, in theory, they could win the lottery, and get the #1 pick? Can all those things happen?
Ruzious wrote:montestewart wrote:payitforward wrote:In short, for me at least, the more games we play the better. & the more games we win the more games we play. So... win 'em all..\
So, in theory, the Wizards could take each series to the maximum, and get the maximum playoff experience? In theory, they could win each series, and get the NBA Title? And, in theory, they could win the lottery, and get the #1 pick? Can all those things happen?
I don't thinks so - though I could be wrong. It sounds like the only thing that's really changing as far as playoffs is that there will be a play-in for each conference's 8th seed (and they might lower the amount of games in some of the rounds). I think both the draft lottery and draft will be essentially the same as they were. Again, I could be wrong, but how often does that happen?
montestewart wrote:Ruzious wrote:montestewart wrote:So, in theory, the Wizards could take each series to the maximum, and get the maximum playoff experience? In theory, they could win each series, and get the NBA Title? And, in theory, they could win the lottery, and get the #1 pick? Can all those things happen?
I don't thinks so - though I could be wrong. It sounds like the only thing that's really changing as far as playoffs is that there will be a play-in for each conference's 8th seed (and they might lower the amount of games in some of the rounds). I think both the draft lottery and draft will be essentially the same as they were. Again, I could be wrong, but how often does that happen?
So whichever team wins the 8th seed is outside the lottery, and the remainder revert to their pre-playoffs standings? Sorry, I haven't read a full breakdown of how all this is going to play out. Playing catch up.
dlts20 wrote:What is the use of going if Wall isn't playing? All we are doing is risking losing a lottery pick and a serious injury to Beal
DCZards wrote:I love that the Zards are one of the 22 teams invited to play in Orlando. Our youngins' get an opportunity to learn and grow together playing against some of the league's top teams...in the kind of "no spectators" atmosphere that might be what they'll also see when the 2020-21 season opens. I really don't see a downside.
If Wall and the Zards FO are comfortable with him playing that would be great. But if not, I'm fine with that too.
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I’m pissed that Wall won’t play.
NBA Season Restart: Competitive Format Plan
The 22 returning teams for the season restart would be the Milwaukee Bucks, Toronto Raptors, Boston Celtics, Miami Heat, Indiana Pacers, Philadelphia 76ers, Brooklyn Nets, Orlando Magic and Washington Wizards from the Eastern Conference and the Los Angeles Lakers, LA Clippers, Denver Nuggets, Utah Jazz, Oklahoma City Thunder, Houston Rockets, Dallas Mavericks, Memphis Grizzlies, Portland Trail Blazers, New Orleans Pelicans, Sacramento Kings, San Antonio Spurs and Phoenix Suns from the Western Conference.
Each returning team would play eight seeding games, as selected from its remaining regular-season matchups. At the conclusion of the seeding games, the seven teams in each conference with the best combined records across regular-season games and seeding games would qualify for the playoffs.
If the team with the eighth-best combined record in its conference is more than four games ahead of the team with the ninth-best combined record in the same conference, then the team with the eighth-best record would earn the eighth playoff seed.
If the team with the eighth-best combined record in its conference (Team A) is four games or fewer ahead of the team with the ninth-best combined record in the same conference (Team B), then Teams A and B would compete in a play-in tournament to determine the eighth playoff seed. To earn the eighth playoff seed, Team A would need to defeat Team B once and Team B would need to defeat Team A two games in a row.
The 2019-20 season would conclude with a traditional playoff format with best-of-seven series in the first round, conference semifinals, conference finals and the NBA Finals.
Here's what Wall said:
"I won't play at all. I will wait until next season. The decision has been already made. No, I'm not," he said.
Wall was reiterating what he and the Wizards have said for months, including at different stops along the way as the NBA has floated other return-to-play scenarios. As he and general manager Tommy Sheppard have explained it, bringing Wall back after all this time off away from the team is just not as easy as it may sound.
They have a plan and are sticking to it. They are looking past this season for Wall, hoping the extra time will help him come back healthy and also preserve the investment they have made in him with a supermax contract.
Is it worth bringing Wall back for that likely result? He would be thrown into the fire after 20 months off. Remember, he hasn't played since December of 2018.
Wall would have to, on a surgically repaired Achilles, get up to speed very quickly and then play in high-intensity games. If he waits until the 2020-21 season, he would get preseason games to work out the kinks, then essentially be in the same boat as everyone else at the beginning of the regular season campaign.
doclinkin wrote:payitforward wrote:I was thinking the same thing.... Of course it would be fun to get into the playoffs, but as doc points out it would cost us draft spots. In fact, worst of all would be if we won the title! In that case -- my God! -- we'd have the lowest pick in R1. There's no way to get a good player that low in the draft! What a drag?
Do I have that right, doc? That's what you meant. Yet... you were saying you'd be interested to see hyper-defender Rui Hachimura -- the best rookie defender in years, I believe you called him? -- up against the Greek Freak.
So, what exactly are you saying? That we should trade Rui? Because that way we wouldn't make the playoffs? Is that it?
Ha! Nope. None of the above. I think you’re getting Partzheimers old man. Not ALLZheimers, not losing it all, just dribs and drabs. Here you’re dribbling a little bit. Let me get a napkin and clean it up for you. There you go:
Above I’m saying let’s see what we get. I for one don’t think we’d even beat Orlando twice in a row. But if we did I’m happy. I think they’re talking about letting us play the rest of our schedule first. And in that case hell, we may even slip. But that’s not bad either. It’s all Wins as far as I’m concerned: we get to play longer and get valuable experience (unlikely) —or— we slip and marginally improve our lotto odds. That ‘Luck’ stuff that you don’t believe in...
doclinkin wrote:(But even you cede that the Top 3 in most years do tend to pan out....
doclinkin wrote:...We might get a chance to pick the next Kwame Brown!!!!!)...
doclinkin wrote:...my thing on Rui is he’s learning quickly so he’s one of our best prospects if his effort can let his skill set catch up with his significant raw talent....
doclinkin wrote:You must be recalling any of a dozen other peeps who mess with you.
Ruzious wrote:long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:I’m pissed that Wall won’t play.
I'm guessing it's about insurance money - so they can't say anything about it - but it's just a guess.
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:The injury/basketball reasons they’ve been giving are absurd.
I_Like_Dirt wrote:long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:The injury/basketball reasons they’ve been giving are absurd.
Having watched Oladipo trying to jump right back into the game midseason, I don't think extreme caution with Wall is out of line.
I think the league is clearly allowing teams to dictate if they want in or not with an eye to getting specific teams/players in. There are no home games here. This is all about TV revenues which (nationally) get split equally amongst teams, though I'm sure a few teams lobbied to be included to fulfill on local TV contracts.
Unless they have some other means of adding revenue to the winning teams, I'm curious to see what they do with the lottery. It doesn't inherently have to be tied to how the playoffs are handled but without additional home games to pad income as compensation for missing out on the lottery, I wonder if they won't do something a little more extreme. I'm definitely curious.