Political Roundtable Part XXIX

[Ruzious]

"Them: Which key will you be singing in today?

Her: Oh, I brought my own"

"She was singing in the keys W, T, and F."

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[Ruzious]

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They do that knowing that the only purpose is to suppress votes - which is completely against what I was always taught America is about.

[dobrojim]

They do that knowing that the only purpose is to suppress votes - which is completely against what I was always taught America is about.

As I'm sure you know, they know and they don't care. They are completely shameless about it.
But they would be really offended if you said they were racist.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

The franchise is so fundamental to our democracy lasting. I wasn’t in favor of Dems eliminating the filibuster before the election. But I am now.

Suspend the rules to pass HR 1. It’s common sense, pro-democracy legislation that in normal times should get bipartisan support.

If the Supreme Court overturns it, suspend the filibuster and pack the court.

[Pointgod]

The franchise is so fundamental to our democracy lasting. I wasn’t in favor of Dems eliminating the filibuster before the election. But I am now.

Suspend the rules to pass HR 1. It’s common sense, pro-democracy legislation that in normal times should get bipartisan support.

If the Supreme Court overturns it, suspend the filibuster and pack the court.

Why were you against eliminating the filibuster before the election?

[bsilver]

The franchise is so fundamental to our democracy lasting. I wasn’t in favor of Dems eliminating the filibuster before the election. But I am now.

Suspend the rules to pass HR 1. It’s common sense, pro-democracy legislation that in normal times should get bipartisan support.

If the Supreme Court overturns it, suspend the filibuster and pack the court.

Regardless of the pros and cons of suspending the filibuster, there's 0 chance of that happening. Joe Manchin has repeatedly said he will never support it. Maybe in 2022 it will be possible.

[bsilver]

It looks like the Supreme Court will uphold just about any of the new state voting restrictions. Despite that, there's still some reasons for optimism.

The restrictions are primarily aimed at African Americans. But from the conversations I've had, the more republicans try to suppress the African American vote, the more determined they are to vote.

Turnout of young people increased dramatically. From about 42-44% in 2016, to 52-55% in 2020. And young people for D. Hopefully this is not a one time occurrence.

Old people vote R, but baby boomers are not as conservative as the previous generation. So, old people dying helps, and that's what they do. Maybe I wouldn't have said this in the past, but I don't give a sht anymore.

More educated people increasingly vote D, and that group has the highest turnout.

The % white population of the total population keeps decreasing. The non-Trump faction of Rs seemed to care about this, but the R party is now Trumpism, and they're doubling down on racism.

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[closg00]

It looks like the Supreme Court will uphold just about any of the new state voting restrictions. Despite that, there's still some reasons for optimism.

The restrictions are primarily aimed at African Americans. But from the conversations I've had, the more republicans try to suppress the African American vote, the more determined they are to vote.

Turnout of young people increased dramatically. From about 42-44% in 2016, to 52-55% in 2020. And young people for D. Hopefully this is not a one time occurrence.

Old people vote R, but baby boomers are not as conservative as the previous generation. So, old people dying helps, and that's what they do. Maybe I wouldn't have said this in the past, but I don't give a sht anymore.

More educated people increasingly vote D, and that group has the highest turnout.

The % white population of the total population keeps decreasing. The non-Trump faction of Rs seemed to care about this, but the R party is now Trumpism, and they're doubling down on racism.

Georgia Republicans have a lot of dirty tricks in their toolbox, they will try again to do voter roll purges, and probably reduce the number of polling places in large black population areas, when you add them all up (the new restrictions), they will be able to shave-off the desired number of voters. HR1 is the last hope to save the U.S from Jim Crow 2.0

[Pointgod]

The franchise is so fundamental to our democracy lasting. I wasn’t in favor of Dems eliminating the filibuster before the election. But I am now.

Suspend the rules to pass HR 1. It’s common sense, pro-democracy legislation that in normal times should get bipartisan support.

If the Supreme Court overturns it, suspend the filibuster and pack the court.

Regardless of the pros and cons of suspending the filibuster, there's 0 chance of that happening. Joe Manchin has repeatedly said he will never support it. Maybe in 2022 it will be possible.

Chuck Schumer needs to take Joe Manchin and put him in a **** head lock until he votes to remove the filibuster.

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Useless if you can’t get past the filibuster

[queridiculo]

The franchise is so fundamental to our democracy lasting. I wasn’t in favor of Dems eliminating the filibuster before the election. But I am now.

Suspend the rules to pass HR 1. It’s common sense, pro-democracy legislation that in normal times should get bipartisan support.

If the Supreme Court overturns it, suspend the filibuster and pack the court.

Regardless of the pros and cons of suspending the filibuster, there's 0 chance of that happening. Joe Manchin has repeatedly said he will never support it. Maybe in 2022 it will be possible.

Idiot democrats.

Always thinking that the moral high ground is worth a damn, while the GOP laughs their collective asses off breaking one rule after another.

[Ruzious]

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Chris Miller is either an incompetent boob, or he should be tried for treason. Actually, that's not fair - he could be both.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

The franchise is so fundamental to our democracy lasting. I wasn’t in favor of Dems eliminating the filibuster before the election. But I am now.

Suspend the rules to pass HR 1. It’s common sense, pro-democracy legislation that in normal times should get bipartisan support.

If the Supreme Court overturns it, suspend the filibuster and pack the court.

Why were you against eliminating the filibuster before the election?

In general I’m against rule changes to pass legislation. It almost always results in a tit for tat and accelerates polarization.

At this point though, we’re talking structural changes that will permanently disenfranchise millions, especially people of color. Do it Dems!

[Pointgod]

The franchise is so fundamental to our democracy lasting. I wasn’t in favor of Dems eliminating the filibuster before the election. But I am now.

Suspend the rules to pass HR 1. It’s common sense, pro-democracy legislation that in normal times should get bipartisan support.

If the Supreme Court overturns it, suspend the filibuster and pack the court.

Why were you against eliminating the filibuster before the election?

In general I’m against rule changes to pass legislation. It almost always results in a tit for tat and accelerates polarization.

At this point though, we’re talking structural changes that will permanently disenfranchise millions, especially people of color. Do it Dems!

I understand most people are but it’s based on the faulty belief that Republicans are acting in good faith. The Democratic Senators represent 40 million more people than the Republican Senators. Keeping the filibuster is actually minority rule.

And if the Republicans got rid of the filibuster I wouldn’t say anything either. If they believe that strongly in their legislation, and they’re in control then go for it.

[pancakes3]

basically calling their bluff to pass legislation that would directly harm their constituents. i'm for it.

[Zonkerbl]

All of these antiquated rules were all based on "gentlemen's agreements" that each side would respect the other. Republicans have abandoned all the gentlemen's agreements and the Dems are under zero obligation to cling to them and it doesn't make any sense to continue to do so.

OF COURSE eliminating the filibuster means laws flip flop from one thing to another as the ruling party switches sides. It means chaos and unpredictability and is bad for business and bad for America. Maybe McConnel should have thought of that before making a decision to break all rules necessary to get his judges appointed.

I think the Republicans need to relearn why civilized behavior is important. The sooner the filibuster is eliminated, the sooner the "learning" starts.

[Fairview4Life]

All of these antiquated rules were all based on "gentlemen's agreements" that each side would respect the other. Republicans have abandoned all the gentlemen's agreements and the Dems are under zero obligation to cling to them and it doesn't make any sense to continue to do so.

OF COURSE eliminating the filibuster means laws flip flop from one thing to another as the ruling party switches sides. It means chaos and unpredictability and is bad for business and bad for America. Maybe McConnel should have thought of that before making a decision to break all rules necessary to get his judges appointed.

I think the Republicans need to relearn why civilized behavior is important. The sooner the filibuster is eliminated, the sooner the "learning" starts.

In practice it actually promotes more bipartisan legislation and actually gets legislation passed, as opposed to the current idiocy of attaching things to must pass bills and trying to get them crammed through because no one wants to vote against funding the troops or whatever. The way the senate was actually designed to function, with majority rule, blocs of like minded senators, like, say, Joe Manchin and Mitt Romney or whoever, can actually accomplish their policy goals, if they actually have any.