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Political Roundtable Part XXIX

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#41 » by Wizardspride » Mon Sep 7, 2020 10:46 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#42 » by dckingsfan » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:44 pm

Hmmm, wonder where that money went?

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#44 » by Pointgod » Tue Sep 8, 2020 4:58 pm

Share this with anyone who believes in Trump’s bs law and order garbage.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/07/opinions/trump-racism-election-letter-white-women-portes/index.html
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#45 » by dobrojim » Tue Sep 8, 2020 5:59 pm

A lot of what we call 'thought' is just mental activity
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#46 » by dobrojim » Tue Sep 8, 2020 6:05 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#47 » by Ruzious » Tue Sep 8, 2020 7:18 pm

dobrojim wrote:
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If anyone still doesn't understand the idiocy of false equivalency, there's a good lesson for ya. Keep using it, and be prepared to have it shined up real good, turned sideways, and stuffed down your proverbial throat.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#49 » by Zonkerbl » Wed Sep 9, 2020 3:04 pm

some folks in my twitter feed arguing that the definition of fascism crucially depends on your personal political beliefs. And fascism is an inherently subjective thing, since the leaders are basically opportunistic liars willing to say anything to stay in power. So fascism in each country takes on the flavor of the country's culture, and they refer to this article by Sarah Churchwell, which argues rather convincingly that fascism first appeared in America in the KKK. Opportunistic leaders willing to say anything to get into power from that group would not look much different from Trump today.

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2020/06/22/american-fascism-it-has-happened-here/

"Warren G. Harding also ran on an America First campaign in 1920, even as the slogan was being appropriated by the second Klan, which regularly marched with the legend on banners and used it in recruitment ads. It was invoked on the floor of Congress by supporters of the nativist and eugenicist Immigration Act of 1924. Then it was assimilated by self-styled American fascist groups of the 1930s, including the German-American Bund and the virulently anti-Semitic “America First, Inc.,” before it was adopted by the America First Committee of 1940–1941, when Lindbergh used it to convince Americans that “Jewish interests” were seeking to manipulate the United States into taking part in a European war."
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#50 » by pancakes3 » Wed Sep 9, 2020 3:23 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#51 » by Ruzious » Wed Sep 9, 2020 3:38 pm

pancakes3 wrote:https://www.npr.org/2020/09/09/910992023/justice-dept-intervenes-to-take-over-trumps-defense-in-defamation-lawsuit

So taxpayer money and US Government resources are being used to defend Trump in what's basically a rape case? :banghead:
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#52 » by Wizardspride » Wed Sep 9, 2020 4:33 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#53 » by montestewart » Wed Sep 9, 2020 4:40 pm


I'll sandwich that in between my poll watching webinar, my surviving tear gas webinar, my repairing smashed windows webinar, and my survey of post-post-post modern, post-post-post colonial cannibalistic children's literature in Trump's United States, 2017-2020 webinar. It's like being back in college.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#54 » by Pointgod » Wed Sep 9, 2020 6:02 pm

Zonkerbl wrote:some folks in my twitter feed arguing that the definition of fascism crucially depends on your personal political beliefs. And fascism is an inherently subjective thing, since the leaders are basically opportunistic liars willing to say anything to stay in power. So fascism in each country takes on the flavor of the country's culture, and they refer to this article by Sarah Churchwell, which argues rather convincingly that fascism first appeared in America in the KKK. Opportunistic leaders willing to say anything to get into power from that group would not look much different from Trump today.

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2020/06/22/american-fascism-it-has-happened-here/

"Warren G. Harding also ran on an America First campaign in 1920, even as the slogan was being appropriated by the second Klan, which regularly marched with the legend on banners and used it in recruitment ads. It was invoked on the floor of Congress by supporters of the nativist and eugenicist Immigration Act of 1924. Then it was assimilated by self-styled American fascist groups of the 1930s, including the German-American Bund and the virulently anti-Semitic “America First, Inc.,” before it was adopted by the America First Committee of 1940–1941, when Lindbergh used it to convince Americans that “Jewish interests” were seeking to manipulate the United States into taking part in a European war."


Just show anyone who doubts the US is Facist this link. You’ve already blown through a lot of the check points.

https://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

The 14 characteristics are:

Powerful and Continuing Nationalism
Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

Supremacy of the Military
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

Rampant Sexism
The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy.

Controlled Mass Media
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

Obsession with National Security
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

Religion and Government are Intertwined
Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

Corporate Power is Protected
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

Labor Power is Suppressed
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed .

Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts
Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts.

Obsession with Crime and Punishment
Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

Rampant Cronyism and Corruption
Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

Fraudulent Elections
Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#55 » by pancakes3 » Wed Sep 9, 2020 7:18 pm

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/515622-twitter-explodes-over-trump-nobel-peace-prize-nomination-this-is-going-to-be

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and yeah, i saw that checklist a couple years back when "fascism" was being bandied about as an accusation of both obama and trump. going over it in 2020 is insane.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#56 » by Wizardspride » Wed Sep 9, 2020 9:51 pm

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#57 » by Pointgod » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:50 am

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#58 » by dobrojim » Thu Sep 10, 2020 4:28 am

I think a very good argument can and should be made for another
impeachment. See how many GOP Senators will still pretend everything
is A-okay in the USA.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#59 » by dobrojim » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:01 am

On FB of course he still has his defenders who with apparent
sincerity argue that preventing panic was the right thing to
do. Of course that’s so easily refuted by the fact that his
entire modus operandi is trying to make people afraid of
the very things he himself fears, caravans of immigrants
and Joe Biden’s America.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXIX 

Post#60 » by Zonkerbl » Thu Sep 10, 2020 11:05 am

Preventing panic is 10% of your job as President. The other 90% is adopting policies to save people's lives instead of actively discouraging people from wearing masks and social distancing.

What part of "It's a Democrat hoax" was preventing panic?

The annoying thing is he's not even a very good liar, it's just his brainwashees want to believe him so badly they'll swallow any snake oil he offers, even fake snake oil.
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