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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#601 » by prime1time » Mon Mar 1, 2021 9:37 pm

To a degree I understand what the Advija fans want. If he was on a bad team, like the team had last year, he would be allowed to freestyle and learn from his mistakes etc etc. Over time they get older and eventually they start competing. But here's the thing Advija isn't anywhere close to being talented enough to warrant that treatment. Especially on a team that's trying to win games. And I could be wrong, but they are just asking for a few opportuntiites. They want to see Advija featured. They want to turn on Wizards games and see Advija making flashy passes and nifty layups. Pushing the fastbreak and making big plays. In other words, they want us choose Advija over Beal.

When we drafted Advija I was under the impression that we could grow and groom him and then, as he improves, we can figure out ways to let him initiate the offense. But clearly that was a pipe dream. Advija wants to be highlighted as a focal point, without putting any work in. In the Euroleague last year, Advija averaged 3.6 shots a game and 4 points per game. In a more talented and competitive league, why would he get more of an opportunity. Advija wants to be on a bad team and allowed a chance to create and grow.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#602 » by nate33 » Mon Mar 1, 2021 9:43 pm

prime1time wrote:When we drafted Advija I was under the impression that we could grow and groom him and then, as he improves, we can figure out ways to let him initiate the offense. But clearly that was a pipe dream. Advija wants to be highlighted as a focal point, without putting any work in. In the Euroleague last year, Advija averaged 3.6 shots a game and 4 points per game. In a more talented and competitive league, why would he get more of an opportunity. Advija wants to be on a bad team and allowed a chance to create and grow.


Do you have a source for this?

Certainly Avdija's fans want him to be highlighted, which is totally normal. But is there any evidence that Avdija himself expects to be given a prime role?
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#603 » by smoothSeph » Mon Mar 1, 2021 9:48 pm

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NatP4 wrote:I get why Deni fans are frustrated. It’s not just about minutes played. He just stands in the corner while Beal and Westbrook iso. Of course they are frustrated. They don’t give him nearly as much opportunity as Rui had last season. We are in win now mode, unfortunately.

Nothing to be concerned about as far as Deni’s ability level. They just need to remember that Brooks will be gone at the end of the season and things will be fine.

What Advija fans are basically saying is that Advija will not be a 3 and D player at all. If that's the case, I think you have to question if there's a space for him in the NBA. I.e. what happens to non-elite playmakers? From a pure basketball logic point of view, what we are really debating is this: what's the logic of giving Advija the ball to initiate when Beal or Westbrook is better at it? What's the point of taking the ball out of Harden's or Kyrie's or Doncic's or LBJ's hands? The issue isn't Brooks, it's that it's simply more efficient to keep the ball in your best player's hands.

Exactly. Deni has played nearly 600 minutes, we've gotten a solid glimpse of his rookie package. He has good vision but is limited in breaking down his defender. No left hand and no real arsenal of change of direction moves.

If Deni were being guarded by the guys Beal and Russ do every night the tune would change on if he's ready to handle that playmaking role. This isn't to say he won't get better, it took Beal nearly 5 years before he developed any elite ball handling moves but look at him now.
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Post#604 » by tontoz » Mon Mar 1, 2021 10:10 pm

nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:When we drafted Advija I was under the impression that we could grow and groom him and then, as he improves, we can figure out ways to let him initiate the offense. But clearly that was a pipe dream. Advija wants to be highlighted as a focal point, without putting any work in. In the Euroleague last year, Advija averaged 3.6 shots a game and 4 points per game. In a more talented and competitive league, why would he get more of an opportunity. Advija wants to be on a bad team and allowed a chance to create and grow.


Do you have a source for this?

Certainly Avdija's fans want him to be highlighted, which is totally normal. But is there any evidence that Avdija himself expects to be given a prime role?



Given how much he defers when on the court i would say no. A lot of times he passes as soon as he catches the ball without even thinking about trying to score.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#605 » by nate33 » Mon Mar 1, 2021 10:24 pm

smoothSeph wrote:If Deni were being guarded by the guys Beal and Russ do every night the tune would change on if he's ready to handle that playmaking role. This isn't to say he won't get better, it took Beal nearly 5 years before he developed any elite ball handling moves but look at him now.

Exactly. So many people don't seem to get this.
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Post#606 » by doclinkin » Tue Mar 2, 2021 12:44 am

tontoz wrote:
nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:When we drafted Advija I was under the impression that we could grow and groom him and then, as he improves, we can figure out ways to let him initiate the offense. But clearly that was a pipe dream. Advija wants to be highlighted as a focal point, without putting any work in. In the Euroleague last year, Advija averaged 3.6 shots a game and 4 points per game. In a more talented and competitive league, why would he get more of an opportunity. Advija wants to be on a bad team and allowed a chance to create and grow.


Do you have a source for this?

Certainly Avdija's fans want him to be highlighted, which is totally normal. But is there any evidence that Avdija himself expects to be given a prime role?



Given how much he defers when on the court i would say no. A lot of times he passes as soon as he catches the ball without even thinking about trying to score.


And that is the point. That is what the adjustment is from the Euro game to the NBA. Here, especially under Brooks, there is no real system beyond: let the gunners gun and everyone else stand out of the way. No squad in Europe would allow two players to take 70% of the shots when they are on the floor, or even to handle the ball all the time with no one else involved. Euro ball is more like Spurs/GSW ball where the ball spins from player to player. The concept is that it is harder to stop a team than to stop one person, even a mega talented player. The NBA subverts that since they have a level of talent that Euroball generally can't match. Nobody is stopping that guy. Let him have the ball since he can do it no matter what.

Deni is frustrated making the adjustment, not because he wants to star, but because he is from a system without stars. Without true point guards often, where players make each other better. Where there are touches enough to go around. The system is not wait in the corner and make your shot if the ball gets to you, but spread it around with motion and passing and ballhandling so that every player stays in rhythm. When Russ asked people to define their roles for themselves, Deni was surely confused: what is a role? I am a basketball player. All the jobs are done by all the players, there are no specialists. That's not the NBA, ESPECIALLY under this coach. He has stars and he has peripheral players. He has basically 2 starters and everyone else is the bench.

Deni, TBJ, Wagner, Bonga -- these are not good fits for a Brooks coached team. They are glue guys on a team that rewards stars. Under Brooks no team exists where the team is greater than the sum of the parts of individual players. Individual players who are mega talented get all the burn they want to develop, but the non-stars will tend to fade. However, it's not good basketball. It leads to the vulnerability noted in all of Scotty's teams, in that they burn out in the playoffs because they are too predictable and easy to stop. Stop 2 guys and you win. Turn Russ into a jumpshooter, and don't let Beal touch it.

Deni has a right to be frustrated. As does TBJ, Bonga, Wagner. There is talent there that could be finding better use. Deni in particular would have a right to question: well why the hell would you draft me if you weren't going to use the things I do well.

The problem is Tommy is drafting and assembling a different team than Scotty knows how to coach. A strong natural talent like Rui will adjust. He doesn't know the difference. The veterans like Lopez, understand the star/roleplayer system. But the young cats who have gotten where they have by playing system ball will be lost trying to figure out how and where they fit in.

Oddly, despite the fact that he gets all the touches, Beal knows how to play in a system with team concepts and screens and off ball motion etc.

Russ. No. Russ has no idea how to do anything but star in the Russ show. He gives 100% effort in that role. And his energy encourages other players. But he racks assists primarily because he holds the ball forever. That is what the Euro coaches mean when they say that the Point Guard is an american concept. In international ball, anyone can handle, bring up the rock, make a pass. If you held the ball the whole time the coach would bench you.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#607 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Mar 2, 2021 2:43 am

The Hawks fired their coach. Never even knew the guy's name; and, he had a 14-20 record.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/261681/Hawks-Fire-Lloyd-Pierce-As-Head-Coach

Scott Brooks might not be coaching Deni Advija much longer. I don't have a comment one way or the other about Deni. I just KNOW who his coach is.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#608 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Mar 2, 2021 2:44 am

tontoz wrote:
nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:When we drafted Advija I was under the impression that we could grow and groom him and then, as he improves, we can figure out ways to let him initiate the offense. But clearly that was a pipe dream. Advija wants to be highlighted as a focal point, without putting any work in. In the Euroleague last year, Advija averaged 3.6 shots a game and 4 points per game. In a more talented and competitive league, why would he get more of an opportunity. Advija wants to be on a bad team and allowed a chance to create and grow.


Do you have a source for this?

Certainly Avdija's fans want him to be highlighted, which is totally normal. But is there any evidence that Avdija himself expects to be given a prime role?



Given how much he defers when on the court i would say no. A lot of times he passes as soon as he catches the ball without even thinking about trying to score.


The atmosphere is such that Deni is correct to let the other guys go first, particularly with THIS coach.
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Post#609 » by payitforward » Tue Mar 2, 2021 3:08 am

I believe the operative phrase here is "tempest in a teapot."
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Post#610 » by payitforward » Tue Mar 2, 2021 3:18 am

doclinkin wrote:... Here, especially under Brooks, there is no real system beyond: let the gunners gun and everyone else stand out of the way. No squad in Europe would allow two players to take 70% of the shots when they are on the floor, or even to handle the ball all the time with no one else involved. Euro ball is more like Spurs/GSW ball where the ball spins from player to player. The concept is that it is harder to stop a team than to stop one person, even a mega talented player. The NBA subverts that since they have a level of talent that Euroball generally can't match. Nobody is stopping that guy. Let him have the ball since he can do it no matter what.

Deni is frustrated making the adjustment, not because he wants to star, but because he is from a system without stars. Without true point guards often, where players make each other better. Where there are touches enough to go around. The system is not wait in the corner and make your shot if the ball gets to you, but spread it around with motion and passing and ballhandling so that every player stays in rhythm. When Russ asked people to define their roles for themselves, Deni was surely confused: what is a role? I am a basketball player. All the jobs are done by all the players, there are no specialists. That's not the NBA, ESPECIALLY under this coach. He has stars and he has peripheral players. He has basically 2 starters and everyone else is the bench.

Deni, TBJ, Wagner, Bonga -- these are not good fits for a Brooks coached team. They are glue guys on a team that rewards stars. Under Brooks no team exists where the team is greater than the sum of the parts of individual players. Individual players who are mega talented get all the burn they want to develop, but the non-stars will tend to fade. However, it's not good basketball. It leads to the vulnerability noted in all of Scotty's teams, in that they burn out in the playoffs because they are too predictable and easy to stop. Stop 2 guys and you win. Turn Russ into a jumpshooter, and don't let Beal touch it.

Deni has a right to be frustrated. As does TBJ, Bonga, Wagner. There is talent there that could be finding better use. Deni in particular would have a right to question: well why the hell would you draft me if you weren't going to use the things I do well.

The problem is Tommy is drafting and assembling a different team than Scotty knows how to coach. A strong natural talent like Rui will adjust. He doesn't know the difference. The veterans like Lopez, understand the star/roleplayer system. But the young cats who have gotten where they have by playing system ball will be lost trying to figure out how and where they fit in.

Oddly, despite the fact that he gets all the touches, Beal knows how to play in a system with team concepts and screens and off ball motion etc.

Russ. No. Russ has no idea how to do anything but star in the Russ show. He gives 100% effort in that role. And his energy encourages other players. But he racks assists primarily because he holds the ball forever. That is what the Euro coaches mean when they say that the Point Guard is an american concept. In international ball, anyone can handle, bring up the rock, make a pass. If you held the ball the whole time the coach would bench you.

I think Doc's take is pretty much on the money.

Team has no future w/ Brooks as coach. He was supposed to be all about developing young players, but not any more. It's all Russ & Beal.

We are holding back the development of our young players -- holding back our future -- for a few extra wins now. Exactly what Tommy Sheppard said we weren't going to do.

Once Russ got here, development of Brown & Bonga came to a halt. Deni's hasn't begun. Mathews is being used incorrectly as well.

Honestly, I wonder what coaching any of these guys get.
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Post#611 » by Dolevi » Tue Mar 2, 2021 3:22 am

And that is the point. That is what the adjustment is from the Euro game to the NBA. Here, especially under Brooks, there is no real system beyond: let the gunners gun and everyone else stand out of the way. No squad in Europe would allow two players to take 70% of the shots when they are on the floor, or even to handle the ball all the time with no one else involved. Euro ball is more like Spurs/GSW ball where the ball spins from player to player. The concept is that it is harder to stop a team than to stop one person, even a mega talented player. The NBA subverts that since they have a level of talent that Euroball generally can't match. Nobody is stopping that guy. Let him have the ball since he can do it no matter what.

Deni is frustrated making the adjustment, not because he wants to star, but because he is from a system without stars. Without true point guards often, where players make each other better. Where there are touches enough to go around. The system is not wait in the corner and make your shot if the ball gets to you, but spread it around with motion and passing and ballhandling so that every player stays in rhythm. When Russ asked people to define their roles for themselves, Deni was surely confused: what is a role? I am a basketball player. All the jobs are done by all the players, there are no specialists. That's not the NBA, ESPECIALLY under this coach. He has stars and he has peripheral players. He has basically 2 starters and everyone else is the bench.

Deni, TBJ, Wagner, Bonga -- these are not good fits for a Brooks coached team. They are glue guys on a team that rewards stars. Under Brooks no team exists where the team is greater than the sum of the parts of individual players. Individual players who are mega talented get all the burn they want to develop, but the non-stars will tend to fade. However, it's not good basketball. It leads to the vulnerability noted in all of Scotty's teams, in that they burn out in the playoffs because they are too predictable and easy to stop. Stop 2 guys and you win. Turn Russ into a jumpshooter, and don't let Beal touch it.

Deni has a right to be frustrated. As does TBJ, Bonga, Wagner. There is talent there that could be finding better use. Deni in particular would have a right to question: well why the hell would you draft me if you weren't going to use the things I do well.

The problem is Tommy is drafting and assembling a different team than Scotty knows how to coach. A strong natural talent like Rui will adjust. He doesn't know the difference. The veterans like Lopez, understand the star/roleplayer system. But the young cats who have gotten where they have by playing system ball will be lost trying to figure out how and where they fit in.

Oddly, despite the fact that he gets all the touches, Beal knows how to play in a system with team concepts and screens and off ball motion etc.

Russ. No. Russ has no idea how to do anything but star in the Russ show. He gives 100% effort in that role. And his energy encourages other players. But he racks assists primarily because he holds the ball forever. That is what the Euro coaches mean when they say that the Point Guard is an american concept. In international ball, anyone can handle, bring up the rock, make a pass. If you held the ball the whole time the coach would bench you.


U nailed it.

Hey guys i'm a Deni fan since his days in Maccabi. I won't starting to say he's a big star and doing well rn, u know better than me, and offcourse Deni has the responsiblity for how he's playing, but the guy that wrote this comment nailed it very well. In Europe and Israel the Basketball is very different in a lot of aspects.
Firstly - the fouls. Deni hasn't got used yet to the fouls you given in the NBA comparing to the Euroleague. In Euroleague what called a good defence (with contact) won't count as a foul. And Deni in Maccabi was among the better stars in our defence. Also i believe u could see a little bit from his 1vs1 defence against Lebron and the Lakers. He guarded Lebron very well for a rookie. But he's very frustrated from the fouls he has been given. U can see it by his body language.

Secondly - the sharing of the ball. In the NBA indeed most of the teams are playing HERO BALL, the type of game u play when u have a 1/2 stars and they will lead the team no matter what, they will take the shoots, they will handle the ball and they will make the decisions in offense. For the good, and for the bad.

The problem in that system is that as a result of using it - a lot of good players won't get enough touches. Their role on the team will be very minor and they won't feel like they are in the game actually, won't be in flow. It doesn't mean the stars aren't good. They can be great. But the real question is how can u improve your odds to get a W. When Westbrook is all good and great, making assists, rebounds, points, but he's the only one that making calls on offence - how will u be able to let others coming into the game? When Beal and Westbrook combined are scoring 70/110 points the team has scored against the Celtics, what does it mean for the others? Well i'm calcuating it. all the others in that night shooted 33 times to the basket, and the starting 5 without Beal and Westbrook have shooted only 10 times in the whole game. Brad and Westbrooks 51 times combined have shooted to the basket. The USG% telling the story of this team. https://www.nba.com/game/was-vs-bos-0022000524/box-score#box-score
I know Beal is great, really he's a superstar and amazing player, and Westbrook can do sometimes really good things while he's not turning it over, but this type of Basketball isn't a good fit for Deni (and generally for basketball teams - unhealthy). This way a lot of players aren't in the flow of the game, In defence and offense (as they don't touch the ball).

That is what NOT making a basketball team - a winning team. Basketball is a team game. But in Washington and some other teams in the NBA all what the players care about is their own good, their own stats. This is a horrible situation for a rookie, and especially for one who comes from a different game. If Deni would have come to the Warriors or Spurs, u would have seen his abilities as a Point Forward, and the coaches would have taken care he runs the offense sometimes, makes decisions, passes, drives, being active in general and that's how u should give confidence for a rookie. In Washington his role is far far away from it. His role in the team is to be a 3 and D player, to standing in the corner, waiting for the ball to come to him. But since the beginning the Wizards knew that 3-pointers isn't his best ability, yet they have still chosen him to a bad role for his career. Bertans is a 3 and D player, a catch & shoot one. But Deni? WTF? Deni is a very very very different player from Bertans in skills. Deni is more Athletic, Faster, better at passing and he's quite good at making decisions. Every time he handles the ball - especially at P&R situations, something good is gonna happen. He's not selfish. He will look to other players first to see if someone else is open for an easy basket, or a miss-match.
But the lack of confidence rn is also making him being hesitate and afraid of the ball. By letting him standing at the corner for a wide open 3, u actually lose the player's abilities. Turning him off. He's a player who needs to run the floor, to handle the ball and make decisions, but he can't do that right now at Washington. His role right now leading to a loose of confidence, that never stops.
Even in the second unit, his role stays the same, it's a shame. And that's coach's responsibilty, not Deni's.

In the bottom of the line - Deni is a team player, in a solistic team. And he seems to be unhappy right now, and so do his basketball.
Something must be changing here. Cause right now Brooks destroying this player's future.
I'm not saying he supposed to drop 20-30 points each night like Lamelo in his first year, but i do expect the team will let him sometimes runs the offense while Beal and Westbrook are resting. And if they don't, then why in the hell have u drafted him? his 3-pointers? come on. U knew he wasn't a good shooter like Bertans by his precentage. Right now he looks like the shadow of himself, and that is not how u develop a player. U all talk about waiting a couple of years, let him gain the confidence and that he's just a kid. That he has a bright future. But i'll tell u what, The way he's being used right now is destroying his future. As a player.

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Post#612 » by The Consiglieri » Tue Mar 2, 2021 6:48 am

It's funny this topic was brought up because on Simmons podcast today with Jackie McMullan (spelling?) they spoke briefly about the '14 Spurs team that upset and killed off the LeBron Heat side and one of the things they mentioned was how Battier talked about how the team based approach of that Spurs side, don't hold the ball for more than 3 seconds or whatever, basically completely exhausted the Heat as a whole, and particularly LeBron. It was just the perfect approach to destroy a team built around a couple of stars doing everything. Was an interesting little aside in their conversation. Needless to say, I agree on the general sentiment. But that's also why I'm trying to stay away, with 35 years in of fandom, I've just about been broken by this team, and by the redskins for that matter (40+ years with them) and am getting a bit detached. I'm just more or less totally sick of it. Need to really figure out how to stay away because watching any of it is just infuriating and life's too short.
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Post#613 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Tue Mar 2, 2021 7:47 am

doclinkin wrote:
And that is the point. That is what the adjustment is from the Euro game to the NBA. Here, especially under Brooks, there is no real system beyond: let the gunners gun and everyone else stand out of the way. No squad in Europe would allow two players to take 70% of the shots when they are on the floor, or even to handle the ball all the time with no one else involved. Euro ball is more like Spurs/GSW ball where the ball spins from player to player. The concept is that it is harder to stop a team than to stop one person, even a mega talented player. The NBA subverts that since they have a level of talent that Euroball generally can't match. Nobody is stopping that guy. Let him have the ball since he can do it no matter what.

Deni is frustrated making the adjustment, not because he wants to star, but because he is from a system without stars. Without true point guards often, where players make each other better. Where there are touches enough to go around. The system is not wait in the corner and make your shot if the ball gets to you, but spread it around with motion and passing and ballhandling so that every player stays in rhythm. When Russ asked people to define their roles for themselves, Deni was surely confused: what is a role? I am a basketball player. All the jobs are done by all the players, there are no specialists. That's not the NBA, ESPECIALLY under this coach. He has stars and he has peripheral players. He has basically 2 starters and everyone else is the bench.

Deni, TBJ, Wagner, Bonga -- these are not good fits for a Brooks coached team. They are glue guys on a team that rewards stars. Under Brooks no team exists where the team is greater than the sum of the parts of individual players. Individual players who are mega talented get all the burn they want to develop, but the non-stars will tend to fade. However, it's not good basketball. It leads to the vulnerability noted in all of Scotty's teams, in that they burn out in the playoffs because they are too predictable and easy to stop. Stop 2 guys and you win. Turn Russ into a jumpshooter, and don't let Beal touch it.

Deni has a right to be frustrated. As does TBJ, Bonga, Wagner. There is talent there that could be finding better use. Deni in particular would have a right to question: well why the hell would you draft me if you weren't going to use the things I do well.

The problem is Tommy is drafting and assembling a different team than Scotty knows how to coach. A strong natural talent like Rui will adjust. He doesn't know the difference. The veterans like Lopez, understand the star/roleplayer system. But the young cats who have gotten where they have by playing system ball will be lost trying to figure out how and where they fit in.

Oddly, despite the fact that he gets all the touches, Beal knows how to play in a system with team concepts and screens and off ball motion etc.

Russ. No. Russ has no idea how to do anything but star in the Russ show. He gives 100% effort in that role. And his energy encourages other players. But he racks assists primarily because he holds the ball forever. That is what the Euro coaches mean when they say that the Point Guard is an american concept. In international ball, anyone can handle, bring up the rock, make a pass. If you held the ball the whole time the coach would bench you.


Deni has two veteran marquee teammates who play diametrically different ways. Theory X vs Theory Y. Blunt force vs silky smooth. Profuse vs proficient. One takes a machete to forest and potted plant alike. The other? Delivers like FTD, customer friendly.

Deni probably knows Brooks isn’t astute, flexible, keen. or tactically savvy. When the Wizards were losing those games, Westbrook played poorly and the coach did not press the issue or even broach accountability. No, Brooks played small lineups and veterans. Avidja witnessed bad Bertans. He’s seen Bonga and Brown Jr be afterthoughts.

He’s also seen Brooks play Wagner and Mathews (who are more veteran and older than Avidja). Rui Hachimura has been given playing time by Brooks.

This coach isn’t a good coach for Brown Jr., Bonga, or Avidja to develop under. My hope is Brooks will at least use ten to twelve players, with all players staying ready.

There’s only 240 player minutes to go around each game. Minutes are not the problem IMO. The guy doling out minutes, as doclinkin CORRECTLY ASSESSED only values star scorers. He prefers iso game with only two or three points of failure. I think usage and FGAs are the issues.

It’s not smart to only trust 1,2 or maybe 3 players to take a shot from half court sets.

It’s ruining a year in which Deni could be facilitating with the second unit.

It’s also showing Tommy Shepherd isn’t really the boss of Scott Brooks. He’s not in charge of the man who’s stunting the growth of recent draft picks.

LaMelo Ball scored 30 points tonight. Deni played 7 minutes in a loss to Boston in which Beal and Westbrook had 51 FGAs and the entire rest only had 33 attempts.

I’m ranting...
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Post#614 » by Frichuela » Tue Mar 2, 2021 12:18 pm

As long as Brooks is around, this is what we get.

As some of you pointed out, Deni playing in a Spurs type system would be doing much better. The problem is Brooks and his staff. Let’s be real, we had 5 years of watching this moron coach the Wiz, and we have seen the results. For the life of me, I am sure there are so many better options out there than him. The Hawks just got rid of their coach, with a similar record to ours, why can’t we do the same? I know why...because our front office (and management) also sucks, and love the BS that cames out of Scotty’s mouth.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#615 » by prime1time » Tue Mar 2, 2021 2:06 pm

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prime1time wrote:When we drafted Advija I was under the impression that we could grow and groom him and then, as he improves, we can figure out ways to let him initiate the offense. But clearly that was a pipe dream. Advija wants to be highlighted as a focal point, without putting any work in. In the Euroleague last year, Advija averaged 3.6 shots a game and 4 points per game. In a more talented and competitive league, why would he get more of an opportunity. Advija wants to be on a bad team and allowed a chance to create and grow.


Do you have a source for this?

Certainly Avdija's fans want him to be highlighted, which is totally normal. But is there any evidence that Avdija himself expects to be given a prime role?

I posted my source already. His former coach wants us to trade either Westbrolk or Beal so he can have a larger role. Read between the lines. It’s all over twitter. They want Advija to be given chances to play make and learn from his mistakes. That only happens on teams trying to rebuild.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#616 » by nate33 » Tue Mar 2, 2021 2:32 pm

prime1time wrote:
nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:When we drafted Advija I was under the impression that we could grow and groom him and then, as he improves, we can figure out ways to let him initiate the offense. But clearly that was a pipe dream. Advija wants to be highlighted as a focal point, without putting any work in. In the Euroleague last year, Advija averaged 3.6 shots a game and 4 points per game. In a more talented and competitive league, why would he get more of an opportunity. Advija wants to be on a bad team and allowed a chance to create and grow.


Do you have a source for this?

Certainly Avdija's fans want him to be highlighted, which is totally normal. But is there any evidence that Avdija himself expects to be given a prime role?

I posted my source already. His former coach wants us to trade either Westbrolk or Beal so he can have a larger role. Read between the lines. It’s all over twitter. They want Advija to be given chances to play make and learn from his mistakes. That only happens on teams trying to rebuild.

You are making it sound like Avdija is a disgruntled premadonna who expects to be given a role based on reputation - basically a team cancer. You said "Avdija wants to be highlighted as a focal point, without putting any work in." That's a highly negative slant based on what we know.

All we know is that Avidja's supporters back home want to see him in a more prominent role and they're worried that we don't run a system that will do that. That's no different than what we think on this message board. But that's a far cry from Avdija himself "not wanting to put any work in" or "wanting to be on a bad team".
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#617 » by payitforward » Tue Mar 2, 2021 2:50 pm

prime1time wrote:
nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:When we drafted Advija I was under the impression that we could grow and groom him and then, as he improves, we can figure out ways to let him initiate the offense. But clearly that was a pipe dream. Advija wants to be highlighted as a focal point, without putting any work in. In the Euroleague last year, Advija averaged 3.6 shots a game and 4 points per game. In a more talented and competitive league, why would he get more of an opportunity. Advija wants to be on a bad team and allowed a chance to create and grow.


Do you have a source for this?

Certainly Avdija's fans want him to be highlighted, which is totally normal. But is there any evidence that Avdija himself expects to be given a prime role?

I posted my source already. His former coach wants us to trade either Westbrolk or Beal so he can have a larger role. Read between the lines. It’s all over twitter. They want Advija to be given chances to play make and learn from his mistakes. That only happens on teams trying to rebuild.

Oh... & we are not "a team trying to rebuild?" What are we -- a championship contender?
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Post#618 » by NatP4 » Tue Mar 2, 2021 3:05 pm

prime1time wrote:
nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:When we drafted Advija I was under the impression that we could grow and groom him and then, as he improves, we can figure out ways to let him initiate the offense. But clearly that was a pipe dream. Advija wants to be highlighted as a focal point, without putting any work in. In the Euroleague last year, Advija averaged 3.6 shots a game and 4 points per game. In a more talented and competitive league, why would he get more of an opportunity. Advija wants to be on a bad team and allowed a chance to create and grow.


Do you have a source for this?

Certainly Avdija's fans want him to be highlighted, which is totally normal. But is there any evidence that Avdija himself expects to be given a prime role?

I posted my source already. His former coach wants us to trade either Westbrolk or Beal so he can have a larger role. Read between the lines. It’s all over twitter. They want Advija to be given chances to play make and learn from his mistakes. That only happens on teams trying to rebuild.


All of us want that. Show us evidence that Avdija himself has given any indication of this.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#619 » by prime1time » Tue Mar 2, 2021 3:06 pm

nate33 wrote:
prime1time wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Do you have a source for this?

Certainly Avdija's fans want him to be highlighted, which is totally normal. But is there any evidence that Avdija himself expects to be given a prime role?

I posted my source already. His former coach wants us to trade either Westbrolk or Beal so he can have a larger role. Read between the lines. It’s all over twitter. They want Advija to be given chances to play make and learn from his mistakes. That only happens on teams trying to rebuild.

You are making it sound like Avdija is a disgruntled premadonna who expects to be given a role based on reputation - basically a team cancer. You said "Avdija wants to be highlighted as a focal point, without putting any work in." That's a highly negative slant based on what we know.

All we know is that Avidja's supporters back home want to see him in a more prominent role and they're worried that we don't run a system that will do that. That's no different than what we think on this message board. But that's a far cry from Avdija himself "not wanting to put any work in" or "wanting to be on a bad team".

I guess we’ll see. Obviously, he’s not going to come out and give a press conference making demands. But I have a tough time believing that this major push from his Israeli fans is only smoke and not a fire. He is 20, impressionable and trying to represent his country and make his home fans proud. If his last name was Ball and not Advija the media would take it and run with it. This the kind of thing that sabotages team.

I remember being told I was wrong when I talked about John being traded, yet here we are. To be clear Advija isn’t asking for anything extreme. He wants the chance to grow as a young player. That’s completely reasonable, but it is something that the Wizards can’t offer.

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I think trying to sweep this under the rug or act like it’s nothing is a mistake. The biggest issue is that they have a point. Look at what we’ve done to Troy Brown Je. We love to draft all-around forwards and then limit them. This will continue to be a thing going forward. And you might argue that next year will be better but why? We will have mother first round pick that needs PT, Bonga, Brown Jr, Hachimimura and Bertans.
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Re: Deni Avdija 

Post#620 » by prime1time » Tue Mar 2, 2021 3:11 pm

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prime1time wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Do you have a source for this?

Certainly Avdija's fans want him to be highlighted, which is totally normal. But is there any evidence that Avdija himself expects to be given a prime role?

I posted my source already. His former coach wants us to trade either Westbrolk or Beal so he can have a larger role. Read between the lines. It’s all over twitter. They want Advija to be given chances to play make and learn from his mistakes. That only happens on teams trying to rebuild.

Oh... & we are not "a team trying to rebuild?" What are we -- a championship contender?

Lol, the evidence is given by how we play. I never said we are a championship contender. This is a team that clearly prioritizes winning games over developing players. Is that debatable? This is why Brown Jr can’t get off the bench and why Advija should be frustrated, yet also why we have started to win games. We have limited roles to Westbrook doing his thing, Beal doing his thing all forwards being 3 and D, and Centers being active.

Your question, as you’ve phrased it, is a purely abstract exercise. The team is trying to win games not develop players.

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