Re: Shams: Wall wants to be traded
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:21 pm
Unexpected and sad. A man can only take being a Wizard for so long.
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Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:TGW wrote:LOL ok John. Good luck with that boss.
This is about the best thing I’ve heard in a while.
Washington never won anything with Wall. A trade needs to happen.
NatP4 wrote:Attach some mediocre assets and move on. Wall+Wagner+Robinson+Couple 2nds or something like that. Lets not go into the season with this dragging on.
It’s good for both sides. We need to turn the page and embrace the everybody eats culture with Beal as the leader of the team, and we pay Wall the respect of not making him stay in an awkward toxic situation, let him go jack up contested 17 footers and watch his new team play 4 on 5 defensively.
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:prime1time wrote:Just bite the bullet and move him for Westbrook. Playing hardball is silly.
I agree, 100%. Westbrook is the superior player. Should be a no-brainer.
nate33 wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:prime1time wrote:Just bite the bullet and move him for Westbrook. Playing hardball is silly.
I agree, 100%. Westbrook is the superior player. Should be a no-brainer.
Moving him for Westbrook was never an option. A straight up trade seems to be what the Wizards will willing to do, but then Houston started talking about the Wizards throwing in their lotto pick and other stuff.
Eff that. I'm not giving up value to turn Wall into Westbrook.
At this point Westbrook isn't a winning player. If your team is good, he takes too many shots away from better players and makes the team worse. If your team is bad and developing, Westbrook is a floor raiser who can get you to 40 wins, but in doing so, he'll take the ball away from other young players who need to develop while keeping you out of the top of the draft.
Basically, nobody wants Westbrook right now, except perhaps a team like NY who just needs to generate fan interest.
I'd trade Wall straight up for Westbrook I guess, just to get out of this uncomfortable situation. But I think even that trade hurts us. I think Wall is a much better fit for a team in this stage of development.
prime1time wrote:nate33 wrote:Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
I agree, 100%. Westbrook is the superior player. Should be a no-brainer.
Moving him for Westbrook was never an option. A straight up trade seems to be what the Wizards will willing to do, but then Houston started talking about the Wizards throwing in their lotto pick and other stuff.
Eff that. I'm not giving up value to turn Wall into Westbrook.
At this point Westbrook isn't a winning player. If your team is good, he takes too many shots away from better players and makes the team worse. If your team is bad and developing, Westbrook is a floor raiser who can get you to 40 wins, but in doing so, he'll take the ball away from other young players who need to develop while keeping you out of the top of the draft.
Basically, nobody wants Westbrook right now, except perhaps a team like NY who just needs to generate fan interest.
I'd trade Wall straight up for Westbrook I guess, just to get out of this uncomfortable situation. But I think even that trade hurts us. I think Wall is a much better fit for a team in this stage of development.
If nobody wants Westbrook then no one wants Wall. Keeping Wall could destabilize everything we are trying to do. It's not a question of whether he's a better fit. The man demanded a trade.
nate33 wrote:prime1time wrote:nate33 wrote:
Moving him for Westbrook was never an option. A straight up trade seems to be what the Wizards will willing to do, but then Houston started talking about the Wizards throwing in their lotto pick and other stuff.
Eff that. I'm not giving up value to turn Wall into Westbrook.
At this point Westbrook isn't a winning player. If your team is good, he takes too many shots away from better players and makes the team worse. If your team is bad and developing, Westbrook is a floor raiser who can get you to 40 wins, but in doing so, he'll take the ball away from other young players who need to develop while keeping you out of the top of the draft.
Basically, nobody wants Westbrook right now, except perhaps a team like NY who just needs to generate fan interest.
I'd trade Wall straight up for Westbrook I guess, just to get out of this uncomfortable situation. But I think even that trade hurts us. I think Wall is a much better fit for a team in this stage of development.
If nobody wants Westbrook then no one wants Wall. Keeping Wall could destabilize everything we are trying to do. It's not a question of whether he's a better fit. The man demanded a trade.
You just made my point. Nobody wants Wall. Therefore we aren't trading him. I don't care if he demanded a trade.
We can't have this conversation in a vacuum. You have to consider what a John Wall trade would actually look like. Would you trade Wall plus our 2021 pick in a deep draft just for Westbrook (who has an identical contract)? Would you trade Wall and two future firsts for Griffin?
We shouldn't give away future lotto picks just to dump him. If he's that much of a cancer, then bench him. That's still better than sacrificing even more value to unload him.
prime1time wrote:Wrong, he needs to go. Because keeping sabotages the culture we are trying to create. The only other option is to tell him to stay home. But this is not realistic. You're not going to tell him to stay home for 2 years. I don't care about what we get back. I don't care for Blake Griffin, so I'm more so focused on dumping him for the minimum cost and moving on. Everything I've read says that the issue is even deeper than Wall wanting to be traded. It pretty much sounds like a Brad or Wall situation.
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•Ted Leonsis must resolve what can't be fixed: his two star guards don't want to play with one another any more. So it's time to trade one, or the other, and move on:
prime1time wrote:Let me put it another way. It's Wall or it's Brad. Because keeping a disgruntled Wall will sabotage the season. So if you want to keep Wall and the assets it would take to move him, then you move Brad and go into a rebuild. Otherwise, you try to minimize the damage and move on.
Ruzious wrote:Interesting - I see that's the narrative that Aldridge is pushing awfully hard right now, but had Aldridge ever said this before?
Wizardspride wrote:Ruzious wrote:Interesting - I see that's the narrative that Aldridge is pushing awfully hard right now, but had Aldridge ever said this before?
I've never heard Aldridge say this.
Not sure if he knows this for a fact or if it's just speculation/belief.
nate33 wrote:prime1time wrote:Let me put it another way. It's Wall or it's Brad. Because keeping a disgruntled Wall will sabotage the season. So if you want to keep Wall and the assets it would take to move him, then you move Brad and go into a rebuild. Otherwise, you try to minimize the damage and move on.
Do you think Brad would be happy when you told him that we just traded away three future 1sts just to dump a contract?
Hey Brad: "The team you have (sans Wall) is the team you're going to have for the remainder of your career. We've got no future assets to get better."
nate33 wrote:I'd like to know the full story. Why exactly does Wall want to be traded? Is it just because there were trade talks with Houston about Westbrook? Is it because Sheppard and the team seemed mildly concerned when Wall flashed those gang signs?
These seem like fairly trivial issues to me. Sure, Wall may be somewhat unhappy, but it's not like most players are entirely happy in their situation, unless they're winning championships. Does Wall think a trade to Houston will make him happy? How happy was Chris Paul there? How happy was Westbrook?
It just doesn't seem like anything that has happened should be irreconcilable. I'd definitely wait before doing anything rash. Get out there and play some games and see what happens.
nate33 wrote:prime1time wrote:Let me put it another way. It's Wall or it's Brad. Because keeping a disgruntled Wall will sabotage the season. So if you want to keep Wall and the assets it would take to move him, then you move Brad and go into a rebuild. Otherwise, you try to minimize the damage and move on.
Do you think Brad would be happy when you told him that we just traded away three future 1sts just to dump a contract?
Hey Brad: "The team you have (sans Wall) is the team you're going to have for the remainder of your career. We've got no future assets to get better."
dlts20 wrote:nate33 wrote:I'd like to know the full story. Why exactly does Wall want to be traded? Is it just because there were trade talks with Houston about Westbrook? Is it because Sheppard and the team seemed mildly concerned when Wall flashed those gang signs?
These seem like fairly trivial issues to me. Sure, Wall may be somewhat unhappy, but it's not like most players are entirely happy in their situation, unless they're winning championships. Does Wall think a trade to Houston will make him happy? How happy was Chris Paul there? How happy was Westbrook?
It just doesn't seem like anything that has happened should be irreconcilable. I'd definitely wait before doing anything rash. Get out there and play some games and see what happens.
Trivial is people who can't relate to Wall judging him on some gang signs after all he's done in the community. That wasn't something to crucify the guy for.
Then people are comparing how he handles trade rumors compared to Beal when it's night and day. Beal handles them better because they are always positive rumors where he is seen as a star being brought in somewhere to win a championship and the Wiz won't get equal value in return.
Walls trades are in a negative light where we are trying to dump him by any means for a guy who has been a malcontent everywhere. This is after you have publicly been saying nothing but great things about Wall. I just think that he feels backstabbed and like a slap in the face