Re: Keith Smith: Wizards sign Robin Lopez
Posted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 3:27 pm
One thing I do like about Lopez is his schtick with G-wiz.
Absolutely hilarious.
Absolutely hilarious.
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doclinkin wrote: The IT debacle, stunting the growth of some of our young core. Then trading him for a longer contract guy who is also a meh performer, instead of just cutting him.
Ed Wood wrote:doclinkin wrote: The IT debacle, stunting the growth of some of our young core. Then trading him for a longer contract guy who is also a meh performer, instead of just cutting him.
I really don't agree with this framing of the Thomas signing and trade at all. I don't especially like Thomas (even fair weather IT) because he is such a phenomenally bad defensive player, but the team didn't really have young guards on the roster for him to steal minutes from (arguably Matthews and Troy Brown - but I'm skeptical that his absence funnels his minutes directly to TB entirely to TB's benefit). He's not exactly a player to emulate defensively, but otherwise he's just kind of an average guard in terms of passing and what-have-you, I don't think people were forgetting how to play while he was here.
I think it was assumed/hoped at the time of his signing that the intended arc of his time in Washington was to make him look plausibly like a veteran bottled offense guy and then flip him for an asset. Unfortunately (and maybe foreseeably, which does inform your view of the gamble) IT ended up looking closer to done than to an offensive force. Nevertheless, he was moved for a (fringy) prospect. It's likely that Robinson will manage to be a back end roster guy at most, but given the lack of talent on the roster as it exited the Grunfeld era, that's the kind of recycling attempt that I think is perfectly reasonable to attempt.
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:miller31time wrote:Hmm, it’s almost like Sheppard studied for years under the tutelage of Ernie Grunfeld and has inherited his most glaring weaknesses.
It’s almost as if fans of the team saw this coming a mile away and an organization that is mired in failure and embarrassment continues to dig themselves deeper into the bottomless pit.
I said this on draft night and I will just repeat that Ernie never left. Tommy is Ernie.
Ed Wood wrote:doclinkin wrote: The IT debacle, stunting the growth of some of our young core. Then trading him for a longer contract guy who is also a meh performer, instead of just cutting him.
I really don't agree with this framing of the Thomas signing and trade at all. I don't especially like Thomas (even fair weather IT) because he is such a phenomenally bad defensive player, but the team didn't really have young guards on the roster for him to steal minutes from (arguably Matthews and Troy Brown - but I'm skeptical that his absence funnels his minutes directly to TB entirely to TB's benefit). He's not exactly a player to emulate defensively, but otherwise he's just kind of an average guard in terms of passing and what-have-you, I don't think people were forgetting how to play while he was here.
doclinkin wrote:Ed Wood wrote:doclinkin wrote: The IT debacle, stunting the growth of some of our young core. Then trading him for a longer contract guy who is also a meh performer, instead of just cutting him.
I really don't agree with this framing of the Thomas signing and trade at all. I don't especially like Thomas (even fair weather IT) because he is such a phenomenally bad defensive player, but the team didn't really have young guards on the roster for him to steal minutes from (arguably Matthews and Troy Brown - but I'm skeptical that his absence funnels his minutes directly to TB entirely to TB's benefit). He's not exactly a player to emulate defensively, but otherwise he's just kind of an average guard in terms of passing and what-have-you, I don't think people were forgetting how to play while he was here.
Not the guards, he was terrible for the development of the Bigs. Rui and Bryant. Both played much better when they were not playing with a gunning undersized attack guard trying to play hero ball to resuscitate his glory days. On offense once we had a Napier/Ish combo suddenly both realized what they could do when someone actually passed to them. On defense we had nothing like a functional plan with him on the court and Bryant in particular lost confidence and looked out of place on every play because of breakdowns on the outside. Both played better when he was gone. It is tough to emphasize defense and accountability, then play IT starters minutes when he didn't even try on that side of the ball. What is the lesson you are teaching? Hero ball is what earns you play time? Vs Team play on both ends. Bigs are pass dependent players. IT going 1-on-5 stunts thier development. Yeah we had no guards behind Brad. And chose IT for cheap to see what he had in the tank. Fact is it became pretty clear he had nothing in the tank. But that also goes to the negative on Tommy's scorecard. The franvhose out of all of them ought to know the dangers of not having good depth at gaurd and having to over play starters. I would have much rather cut IT early and found minutes for Garrison Mathews. Or hell, Jemerrio Jones even if he couldn't score. Or gotten Shabazz earlier if that deal was available. Or I dunno, pick a G league player. Josh Magette.
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:miller31time wrote:Hmm, it’s almost like Sheppard studied for years under the tutelage of Ernie Grunfeld and has inherited his most glaring weaknesses.
It’s almost as if fans of the team saw this coming a mile away and an organization that is mired in failure and embarrassment continues to dig themselves deeper into the bottomless pit.
I said this on draft night and I will just repeat that Ernie never left. Tommy is Ernie.
pcbothwel wrote:nate33 wrote:
I would definitely have preferred this to the Lopez signing. If we decided that we didn't want him in future years, he is tradeable at that price.
Im sure many would agree with you. However, he was an RFA like Bryant last year and took the deal on the table.
payitforward wrote:There's nothing whatever one can say that would justify signing Robin Lopez. But, it's done. Let's hope some other decisions work out better.
I just wish I had some sense of what Tommy's intentions are, what his plan is.
badinage wrote:I don’t understand.
Lots of bitching all season about interior defense, Bryant can’t protect the paint, Rui doesn’t play big, etc., and now they add Robin Lopez.* For not much money. And for a very short contract.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/briansampson/2020/06/12/bucks-film-room-dont-sleep-on-robin-lopez-defense/amp/
He (Robin Lopez) makes life difficult for anybody trying to score around the rim; contesting 22.7 shots per 36 minutes—the second-highest in the NBA. Rudy Gobert is all the way down at 17.1 contested shots. These stats may be a bit padded considering the Bucks’ defensive scheme relies on their bigs to defend the rim at all costs.
Not only does he contest a lot of shots, but he’s damn good at it as well. Among the 52 centers who defend at least seven shots per game, he’s tied with Kristaps Porzingis and Hassan Whiteside for 14th in field goal percentage allowed at 45 percent. That’s better than defensive stalwarts like Myles Turner, Steven Adams and Joel Embiid.
Lopez gives the Bucks the ability to play 48 minutes with a great defensive center on the court—something most other teams can’t say. Don’t sleep on his impact off the bench.
DCZards wrote:badinage wrote:I don’t understand.
Lots of bitching all season about interior defense, Bryant can’t protect the paint, Rui doesn’t play big, etc., and now they add Robin Lopez.* For not much money. And for a very short contract.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/briansampson/2020/06/12/bucks-film-room-dont-sleep-on-robin-lopez-defense/amp/
From the link above:He (Robin Lopez) makes life difficult for anybody trying to score around the rim; contesting 22.7 shots per 36 minutes—the second-highest in the NBA. Rudy Gobert is all the way down at 17.1 contested shots. These stats may be a bit padded considering the Bucks’ defensive scheme relies on their bigs to defend the rim at all costs.
Not only does he contest a lot of shots, but he’s damn good at it as well. Among the 52 centers who defend at least seven shots per game, he’s tied with Kristaps Porzingis and Hassan Whiteside for 14th in field goal percentage allowed at 45 percent. That’s better than defensive stalwarts like Myles Turner, Steven Adams and Joel Embiid.
Lopez gives the Bucks the ability to play 48 minutes with a great defensive center on the court—something most other teams can’t say. Don’t sleep on his impact off the bench.