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Post#221 » by Zonkerbl » Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:44 am

So now it's time to get the team healthy
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Post#222 » by prime1time » Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:58 am

With the team playing this well, the outlook for Rui's season has changed. Now Rui must integrate into what we already have in place. He should not start, he should integrate into what we already have.
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Post#223 » by nuposse04 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:15 am

I think a Rui/Kuz 3/4 combo could probably work but KCP really plays good defense and doesn't need as many touches as either of those guys. Rui needs to earn his way once again.
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Post#224 » by gambitx777 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:10 am

I've said this from jump street , Rui is a good enough defender to start at the three and move KCP to the bench .

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Post#225 » by J-Ves » Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:22 am

gambitx777 wrote:I've said this from jump street , Rui is a good enough defender to start at the three and move KCP to the bench .

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OK that's half the battle though. We need a shooter at starting SF. Rui will need to prove his hot shooting in the postseason was the real deal, or he will be fighting for backup PF minutes with Bertans.
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Post#226 » by gambitx777 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:51 am

His shoots ng was solid during the Olympics . I think it comes down to why he was out. Did he have a medical issue was something serious done too him, did something me die or something tragic happen. Or did he just quit on the team for a while. I think it depends on that on how hard he's gonna have to work to get his spot back. Pending on his game being where it was or better . He looks smaller from reports which if he just lost baby fat we are good to roll with him at SF! Imo

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Post#227 » by closg00 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 5:52 pm

Any status updates, is he getting help?
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Post#228 » by nate33 » Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:15 pm

closg00 wrote:Any status updates, is he getting help?

Who is this Rui Hachimura you guys are talking about? Sounds like a made up name to me.
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Post#229 » by JWizmentality » Sun Nov 14, 2021 7:33 pm

In some ways I'm glad how little information has been uncovered in this whole situation. Shows that the org respects his privacy. Whatever is going on in his life I'm glad it was kept out of the public eye.
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Post#230 » by gambitx777 » Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:39 pm

Also, as hush hush as this was kept, my gut tells me it was something serious. If it wasn't the team would not have kept it so secret. I'm assuming the HC and Beal knows something and the fact that it hasn't been leaked at all speaks valumes. Like Quinton Mayo getting info from Beal and getting fed smokescreens by the team is one thing. But the wizards are at the top of the east and nothing from windy or woj ? Some big time muscle must be getting flexed to keep this off the Twitter feeds and new wires.

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Post#232 » by Rafael122 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:19 pm

It's a good problem to have once Rui comes back, but even if the team struggles when he comes back, there's no way Rui starts any time soon. At the very least, I can see Kuzma's minutes go down from like the 34 that he's playing to 28. That gives Rui 20 minutes right off the bat. I assume Holiday wouldn't be in the rotation b/c you could always sub KCP out early and bring him back in for Beal. There will be minutes there, but I expect Rui to be brought in very slowly.

The Bryant thing is a separate manner, it's entirely possible he spends some time in the G-League. There's no minutes for him barring an injury.
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Post#233 » by doclinkin » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:15 pm

Rafael122 wrote:It's a good problem to have once Rui comes back, but even if the team struggles when he comes back, there's no way Rui starts any time soon. At the very least, I can see Kuzma's minutes go down from like the 34 that he's playing to 28. That gives Rui 20 minutes right off the bat. I assume Holiday wouldn't be in the rotation b/c you could always sub KCP out early and bring him back in for Beal. There will be minutes there, but I expect Rui to be brought in very slowly.

The Bryant thing is a separate manner, it's entirely possible he spends some time in the G-League. There's no minutes for him barring an injury.


You can't send Bryant down to the G-League since he has more than 3 years in the league. That said, thinking innovatively I think there are minutes for Bryant if all are playing well and unselfishly. Not as an emergency-only player, but as part of a solid rotation. Rotation like Hockey lines. Or rotation like starters and closers in baseball. Either way.

You'd have to have a low-ego team concept and a coach who could manage the players, however, if there is no drop-off in efficiency or on/off rating, you can tap any player at any time to sub in and wild out. That does not strictly mean each player works 16 minutes. It means you ride the hot hand. It means load management. It means match-up savvy. One night a player who is scoring well and defending his heart out or has a good match-up will earn 28 minutes while the guy in foul trouble waits his turn. Another night a player rests the second night of a back to back. Against a team with a focal point big you can play all 3, use your 18 fouls, or wear them down with waves of fresh players who run the court hard. When each guy gets a chance he can jump in with high energy, top effort, good stamina.

To me it has always seemed the load management of Bigs ought to differ compared to other positions. They are physiologically different human beings. The torque and shear force on their legs and feet is exponentially rougher than on smaller players. (I always thought Shaq would do well to have a large-animal vet on the staff, or at least a specialist in Legendary sized humans). Centers have the longest careers of any position because they are hard to find replacements for, humans rarely grow that big, but I lost the link to a paper that showed that Bigs are among the highest in man-games lost to injury (after high minute non-passing scoring guards). It seems to me an innovative team will do well if they can run an efficient do-si-do rotation of centers jumping in and out of the line-up, again not necessarily within a single game (though last year suggested that may be one way to go, especially if Len were, you know, a better player), but at least in a night on/night off basis.

The coach would have to make clear that this was a new thing, that each of the centers was going to be spotlit from time to time, 28 minutes one night and fed the ball with plays designed to feature them, then against a different match-up, or when that guy is recovering from a heavy load they will run the next guy out.

In that respect I suspect you could assemble an 'all-star in aggregate'. Maintaining constant highly efficient production out of the center spot, in rebounding, high percentage scoring etc, without having to pour large $$$ into a single, vulnerable, player. Imagine if you could get Embiid level of production at the spot without having to game-plan for 20+ games a year lost to injury.

Call me crazy. I probably am. But if you had the right coaching, right personnel, and most importantly a winning record, I think there is something there you could play with to make it work. It's not the traditional route, but second tier teams have to try something different in order to win, because otherwise unless you luck into a HOF level player who is playing at an MVP level you simply aren't going to win a championship. Or even get close. Chemistry, coaching, innovation are the only ways to even the playing field. Why not do it different in the District of Defense.

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Post#234 » by J-Ves » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:39 pm

Rafael122 wrote:It's a good problem to have once Rui comes back, but even if the team struggles when he comes back, there's no way Rui starts any time soon. At the very least, I can see Kuzma's minutes go down from like the 34 that he's playing to 28. That gives Rui 20 minutes right off the bat. I assume Holiday wouldn't be in the rotation b/c you could always sub KCP out early and bring him back in for Beal. There will be minutes there, but I expect Rui to be brought in very slowly.

The Bryant thing is a separate manner, it's entirely possible he spends some time in the G-League. There's no minutes for him barring an injury.

In a few weeks Kispert and Gill will be getting 0 minutes and Bertans and Deni will get 100% of back up forward minutes. Once Rui is back I think Wes will work him in slowly giving him at most 10 minutes a game. Depending on how things go there will be a battle between Rui and Bertans for a rotation spot and even farther in the future I think it’s possible to see a Rui+Kuz starting front court.
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Post#235 » by nate33 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:05 pm

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Rafael122 wrote:It's a good problem to have once Rui comes back, but even if the team struggles when he comes back, there's no way Rui starts any time soon. At the very least, I can see Kuzma's minutes go down from like the 34 that he's playing to 28. That gives Rui 20 minutes right off the bat. I assume Holiday wouldn't be in the rotation b/c you could always sub KCP out early and bring him back in for Beal. There will be minutes there, but I expect Rui to be brought in very slowly.

The Bryant thing is a separate manner, it's entirely possible he spends some time in the G-League. There's no minutes for him barring an injury.

In a few weeks Kispert and Gill will be getting 0 minutes and Bertans and Deni will get 100% of back up forward minutes. Once Rui is back I think Wes will work him in slowly giving him at most 10 minutes a game. Depending on how things go there will be a battle between Rui and Bertans for a rotation spot and even farther in the future I think it’s possible to see a Rui+Kuz starting front court.

Some extra forward minutes can be carved out if Wes Jr. is willing to play KCP all of the non-Beal minutes at SG (taking minutes from either Holiday or Neto). That will leave roughly 80 forward minutes to be shared between Bertans, Avdija, Kuzma and Hachimura.

It's still a log jam though.
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Post#236 » by nate33 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:12 pm

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This Rui Hachimura thing is starting to worry me. We don't really know what's going on; we don't know when it's going to end; and we don't know whether it will be a recurring thing. He hasn't even been doing competitive workouts? Has he been doing ANY workouts? Is he still lifting? Doing cardio? Shooting on his own?

This has gone from being something roughly equivalent to an injury to something that might put his entire career in jeopardy.
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Post#237 » by Halcyon » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:29 pm

To me, there's no point in worrying about the situation since we don't know anything. I'm just looking forward to the time when WUJ gets the chance to work with him.
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Post#238 » by dlts20 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:45 pm

He's only been back for a month. I won't start worrying until 2 months but the problem for him is that he was a guaranteed starter and now his backups are playing too well for him to take their minutes away. Either way, he was completely out of shape and you can't give him too much too fast or you risk injury. This is the right approach along with counseling because I am sure that his mental issues didnt end just because the season started. It just forced him to return sooner
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Post#239 » by CntOutSmrtCrazy » Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:55 pm

I don't mean to be flippant about his situation, but I heard part of this stemmed from not leading Japan further in the Olympics, did he really think he was taking that team somewhere in the Olympics?

Another thing, It's a bit hard for me to understand the social media abuse getting to you like this. Like you are so attached to it you couldn't just ignore it or delete it? Do people not understand there always going to be muckrackers out there, and that you don't have to sweat it. Is it really that engrained with younger generations (for context, I'm 33)? I guess it gets back to lack of info on the situation.
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Post#240 » by gambitx777 » Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:47 am

CntOutSmrtCrazy wrote:I don't mean to be flippant about his situation, but I heard part of this stemmed from not leading Japan further in the Olympics, did he really think he was taking that team somewhere in the Olympics?

Another thing, It's a bit hard for me to understand the social media abuse getting to you like this. Like you are so attached to it you couldn't just ignore it or delete it? Do people not understand there always going to be muckrackers out there, and that you don't have to sweat it. Is it really that engrained with younger generations (for context, I'm 33)? I guess it gets back to lack of info on the situation.
I think most of that is hear say and we don't know if a mething legit and serious happened this him I would assume if it was something that light we would have heard woj or windy or even Mayo would be spotting it the fact we have no confirmation tells me it was something bigger than that.

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