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Post#1941 » by badinage » Sun Sep 12, 2021 2:26 pm

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Post#1942 » by payitforward » Sun Sep 12, 2021 5:15 pm

badinage wrote:...I don’t come here for sober, reasoned, Olympian analysis.

A good thing too! :)
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badinage wrote:^Overdoing it: we’re supposed to overdo it.

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Drunken, Dionysian, Olympian analysis? In vino veritas to mix metaphors.
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Litter with alliteration. Some people mix metaphors and others makes medicines... mixed messages from the stresses of not knowing what the emission means

Dionysian somehow sounded like beemission 2 Google Translator

I think I'm turning Japanese I really think so. And so is the Google Translator
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Post#1945 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:03 pm

I am not drunk. I am not high. I'm just in a good mood.:-)
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Post#1946 » by gambitx777 » Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:50 pm

I would like to come back around to bertans to the pels for a small asset like the Lakers 22 first or a couple seconds.

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Post#1947 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Fri Sep 17, 2021 10:51 pm

gambitx777 wrote:I would like to come back around to bertans to the pels for a small asset like the Lakers 22 first or a couple seconds.

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Speaking of Bertans I just had a wildass thought…

Oh I know that Davis is a power forward but is there any reason why he could not start at small forward? The best way to increase his trade value is to get his numbers up. He is a bionic shooter. I think he is a smart positional defender or else he never would’ve been a SA Spur rotational player.

Dinwiddie
Beal
Bertans
Kuzma
Harrell/Gafford (24 mins each until TB is healthy)

Sixth man Rui as a rover PF/SF first sub in.
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Post#1948 » by gambitx777 » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:27 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:I would like to come back around to bertans to the pels for a small asset like the Lakers 22 first or a couple seconds.

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Speaking of Bertans I just had a wildass thought…

Oh I know that Davis is a power forward but is there any reason why he could not start at small forward? The best way to increase his trade value is to get his numbers up. He is a bionic shooter. I think he is a smart positional defender or else he never would’ve been a SA Spur rotational player.

Dinwiddie
Beal
Bertans
Kuzma
Harrell/Gafford (24 mins each until TB is healthy)

Sixth man Rui as a rover PF/SF first sub in.
I mean I do see him as more of a SF but, I think Rui is the better player and the more natural SF. He's a far better defender a decent enough 3pt shooter and I think he deserves the start along with Kuz .

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Post#1949 » by doclinkin » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:46 am

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:I would like to come back around to bertans to the pels for a small asset like the Lakers 22 first or a couple seconds.

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Speaking of Bertans I just had a wildass thought…

Oh I know that Davis is a power forward but is there any reason why he could not start at small forward? The best way to increase his trade value is to get his numbers up. He is a bionic shooter. I think he is a smart positional defender or else he never would’ve been a SA Spur rotational player.

Dinwiddie
Beal
Bertans
Kuzma
Harrell/Gafford (24 mins each until TB is healthy)

Sixth man Rui as a rover PF/SF first sub in.


That was a key premise of mine in the Line-ups and Analysis thread:

I am also of the mind that we should start our best line-up, and don't think Brooks took full advantage of what we already have on the roster. We are spending significant $$ on a guy who has proven to have the best +/- effect on the team, it seems wasteful to me to squander that as though he were a bench specialist role player. Footslow perhaps, but with a solid understanding of team defense, he needs a mistake eraser behind him, with the team playing good defensive principles of funneling the attacker to the shotblocker. On offense, he opens up so much of the floor for our dribble-drive attack. That gives a baseline of:

SDw
Beal
...
Bertans
Gafford

As for player "..." hell, let them fight it out. Or base it on match-ups.

Bertans is going to play as a perimeter player anyway, a giant guard, I feel like whomever is in the "..." spot should be able to hit an outside shot, and defend at PF/SF both. In my mind I see Rui, if his 3pt shot from the playoffs was legit and sustainable, and if his effort on 1-on-1 defense is consistent, I can live with his deficiencies in team defense...

But ... I can see Kuz in that spot. He is long, is a mismatch in speed for many PFs. His defense is better in match-ups than in team concepts. He can hit an outside shot and as Dinwiddie referred to, he is good at blowing past a close-out defender. Footspeed, laterally, I think Rui has an advantage, Rui also has 2" reach in his wingspan. But Kuzma rebounds better, so Bertan's deficiencies in that regard will need some additional help.-



10 man rotation. Game flow.

======1st Q======|======2nd Q=====|=====3rd Q=====|=====4th Q=====
Din-------------Holi------->Beal-Din-------->Din---------Holi/Beal---Din----------
Beal-----------KCP--------------Beal-------->Beal--------KCP--------Beal--------
Bertans------Kispert-------------KCP/Rui---->Ber/Kisp-----Rui---------KCP-------
Rui------------Kuz-------->Rui----->Kuz---->Kuz/Rui----Kuz--------Rui/Kuz---
Gafford-------Trez------>Gaff----Trez------>Gafford------Trez---------Gafford---
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Post#1950 » by payitforward » Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:40 pm

When you make a painting, if you want some red in one place, some blue in another, you simply put them in. Now you have the colors you had before -- but you've added some red & some blue. Do the other colors look a little different now? Adjust them. You're in control.

When you make a lineup, if you want some "shooting" & you simply put in a "shooter," but it just ain't the same. For one thing, you took someone else out to put that shooter in; maybe he did some other things better than your "shooter." You've gained one thing but given up another.

That happens every single case, because you don't just have the shooter's "shooting." You have absolutely everything he does & doesn't do. Of course, you can adjust a bit in this case too. You can change out one or more of the other players on the floor. But... when you do that you create another instance of the same problem.

Overall, you can be no better than the sum of how good the individual players are -- that's your limit. Which means that the more minutes you get from the best players you have, the more wins you'll have. Period.

Now, there's one other element: overall, an average 4 puts up better numbers than an average 3. So, if you can put Davis in at the 3 -- & he puts up the same numbers he did as a 4 !! -- well, that's an advantage for sure!

But... Davis has been in the league 5 years. Those smart coaches in SA never played him at the 3; Brooks didn't either. Tells me something....
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Post#1951 » by payitforward » Sat Sep 18, 2021 3:10 pm

Another problem with this lineup is that you have a PF rotation of Rui & Kuzma. Now... Rui may be a much better player this year than last, who knows? But, based on last year, this is an extremely weak rotation.

Especially because you increase Rui's minutes by giving him some at the 3. Better to give Kuzma those minutes! He is a better 3 than 4 & has played the position increasingly over his career.

Not to mention that your moves make the rotation at the 3 look speculative in the extreme (except for the minutes you give to KCP of course): Bertans has never played the 3. Rui has never played the 3. Kispert has never played in the league at all!

Hey, it all might work well! & it's reasonable to experiment as well. But, there's potential for one other problematic side effect: the more minutes Gafford plays the fewer minutes Harrell plays. Worse yet when Bryant returns.

Obviously, the more minutes we can get from Gafford the better! But... I'd say the same about Montrezl Harrell! The guy is really good. &, he has significant experience at the 4. He needs to play 24 minutes a game this season. I.e. he needs play some at the 4 (where, btw, he spent the first 3 years of his career).
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Post#1952 » by doclinkin » Sat Sep 18, 2021 5:30 pm

payitforward wrote:
Bertans has never played the 3. Rui has never played the 3. .


Fascinating. I suppose "never" is at least equal to:

484:15 minutes of Bertans + Hachimura + center in 19/20
plus
394:51 of Beal + Bertans + Hachimura + center
and
379:12 of Russ + Bertans + Hachimura + center


Hmm. Never knew you could quantify "never". If I had to guess I would have thought it was an infinitely larger amount.

The position of Forward has changed over the years. Some of the roles remain the same: primary rebounding, interior defense, scoring inside the arc. However the PF has become required to be a mobile face-up player. Whichever non-center is on the interior more often, banging with bigs and fighting for rebounds, that is the power forward position. The player who is more perimeter oriented with occasional forays into the middle but mostly providing space by playing in the wings or running patterns like a guard, that guy is the 'small' forward.

The name is misleading. It used to be that the taller player was reliably sure to be the Power Forward, this is how the position is differentiated in stat sheets, play by play and box scores. So one could say with condescending and patronizing metaphors :clown: that a particular player has never played the small forward spot because they are taller than the other guys on court with them, and the stat nerds courtside marking in the play by play sheet inked them in that way.

But nowadays in an era of stretch forwards and even stretch 5's and 'positionless' basketball, things get a little more fuzzy. It would be more correct to say Perimeter Forward and Interior Forward. Squinting at a mislabeled stat sheet after the game, how do you know which role a player took? Well you can look at their shot charts for one thing. A guy who takes 70% of their shots from 3 is likely playing the perimeter role more often than a guy who is about 50/50 inside and out.

Now the fun thing about having a 6'10" guy who plays the perimeter is that other coaches often fall into the same trap as the stat nerds. They send their interior defender chasing after the guy running outside patterns. This opens up the interior for other shorter guys to get inside and play in the paint where their bigger brothers don't usually let them have any fun. Granted, it does help if you confuse the opponent by playing only one tall guy so they don't make the choice to leave their interior defender back at home where they may guard the inside, and live with their small forward chasing the beanpole sniper to the outside.

We happen to have a handful of tall guys who shoot from outside though. Bertans, Bryant, Kuzma, heck even Isaiah Todd and Jay Huff (if Huff somehow makes it through training camp on the squad), all are 6'10" and up. You can throw the 6'9" Avdija and 6'8" Hachimura in this category as well. All of these tall dudes have some face-up skills and can play effective basketball further outside the paint than you might traditionally expect given their height.

There will be times when it will be smart to find a role for each of them, even if it means they are sharing the floor with other tall guys who shoot from outside. At that point, eh, let the scorekeeper nerd decide what he wants to call them, which one is small and which one is power matters less to the win/loss record than if they can run the plays on the court and guard the opponent.
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Post#1953 » by payitforward » Sun Sep 19, 2021 2:06 pm

doclinkin wrote:
payitforward wrote:Bertans has never played the 3. Rui has never played the 3....

Fascinating. I suppose "never" is at least equal to:

484:15 minutes of Bertans + Hachimura + center in 19/20
plus
394:51 of Beal + Bertans + Hachimura + center
and
379:12 of Russ + Bertans + Hachimura + center...

Fair enough -- & no need to be snarky. Davis played 1583 minutes that year; Rui played 1444 -- 3017 total. Your data shows that during 484 of those (just over 16%) when both guys & a center were on the floor, one of them, either Davis or Rui was at the "3".

It really doesn't matter which of them it was. Your point is still valid. Nothing is written in stone; we can play some minutes with either of those guys at the 3.

In a sense this is obvious: basketball isn't football, where the guy who plays Center doesn't get minutes at one of the wide receiver spots -- or even at right tackle.

& in a sense, it reflects the narrowing difference between the 2 forward positions. &, for that matter but to a lesser degree, between either of them and Center -- given that we sometimes talk about playing someone as a "small ball Center."

Moreover, this also goes both ways -- thus, for sure, we can have Montrezl Harrell play some minutes at the 4. In fact, it goes ALL ways: KCP can play some 2 & some 3. Dinwiddie can play some 2. Beal can play some minutes as PG. And so forth.

In a sense it comes down to who you want on the floor with whom; inevitably there's a ton of complexity in that. Synergy. Individual styles of play & skills as much as -- probably more than -- "position."

So, going back to what I wrote that led to this discussion, the question about Kyle Kuzma is less "what position?" than "who with?"

You're right, doc. I.e. whoever we start wherever, we'll have to find out how well it works. We can't assume in advance. I was being a bit simple-minded.
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Post#1954 » by gesa2 » Sun Sep 19, 2021 4:09 pm

All of this is why the biggest unknown for this season is our new coach. We have depth and choice in abundance but little star quality. This is the type of team Carlisle or Pops could make into a solid playoff team but Brooks would flounder with. Might take much of the year with so many new players and a new system but I’m excited to see what Unseld makes this team into by February or March
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Post#1955 » by penbeast0 » Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:01 pm

doclinkin wrote:...It used to be that the taller player was reliably sure to be the Power Forward, this is how the position is differentiated in stat sheets, play by play and box scores....


On a tangent . . . going back as far as I've watched basketball, this wasn't always true though it was more often than not. The Bullets when I became a fan were running Gus Johnson and Jack Marin at forward and Gus was certainly the PF in that pairing though Marin was an inch or two taller. Guys like Bill Bridges, Charles Barkley etc. continued this pattern. I wonder if you couldn't make a better estimate by saying that the heavier of the two forwards is more likely to be the PF than the taller one. Never did an checking up on it but I would guess this might be true (or it might not).
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Post#1956 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:14 pm

payitforward wrote:When you make a painting, if you want some red in one place, some blue in another, you simply put them in. Now you have the colors you had before -- but you've added some red & some blue. Do the other colors look a little different now? Adjust them. You're in control.

When you make a lineup, if you want some "shooting" & you simply put in a "shooter," but it just ain't the same. For one thing, you took someone else out to put that shooter in; maybe he did some other things better than your "shooter." You've gained one thing but given up another.

That happens every single case, because you don't just have the shooter's "shooting." You have absolutely everything he does & doesn't do. Of course, you can adjust a bit in this case too. You can change out one or more of the other players on the floor. But... when you do that you create another instance of the same problem.

Overall, you can be no better than the sum of how good the individual players are -- that's your limit. Which means that the more minutes you get from the best players you have, the more wins you'll have. Period.

Now, there's one other element: overall, an average 4 puts up better numbers than an average 3. So, if you can put Davis in at the 3 -- & he puts up the same numbers he did as a 4 !! -- well, that's an advantage for sure!

But... Davis has been in the league 5 years. Those smart coaches in SA never played him at the 3; Brooks didn't either. Tells me something....
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Post#1957 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:17 pm

doclinkin wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Bertans has never played the 3. Rui has never played the 3. .


Fascinating. I suppose "never" is at least equal to:

484:15 minutes of Bertans + Hachimura + center in 19/20
plus
394:51 of Beal + Bertans + Hachimura + center
and
379:12 of Russ + Bertans + Hachimura + center


Hmm. Never knew you could quantify "never". If I had to guess I would have thought it was an infinitely larger amount.

The position of Forward has changed over the years. Some of the roles remain the same: primary rebounding, interior defense, scoring inside the arc. However the PF has become required to be a mobile face-up player. Whichever non-center is on the interior more often, banging with bigs and fighting for rebounds, that is the power forward position. The player who is more perimeter oriented with occasional forays into the middle but mostly providing space by playing in the wings or running patterns like a guard, that guy is the 'small' forward.

The name is misleading. It used to be that the taller player was reliably sure to be the Power Forward, this is how the position is differentiated in stat sheets, play by play and box scores. So one could say with condescending and patronizing metaphors :clown: that a particular player has never played the small forward spot because they are taller than the other guys on court with them, and the stat nerds courtside marking in the play by play sheet inked them in that way.

But nowadays in an era of stretch forwards and even stretch 5's and 'positionless' basketball, things get a little more fuzzy. It would be more correct to say Perimeter Forward and Interior Forward. Squinting at a mislabeled stat sheet after the game, how do you know which role a player took? Well you can look at their shot charts for one thing. A guy who takes 70% of their shots from 3 is likely playing the perimeter role more often than a guy who is about 50/50 inside and out.

Now the fun thing about having a 6'10" guy who plays the perimeter is that other coaches often fall into the same trap as the stat nerds. They send their interior defender chasing after the guy running outside patterns. This opens up the interior for other shorter guys to get inside and play in the paint where their bigger brothers don't usually let them have any fun. Granted, it does help if you confuse the opponent by playing only one tall guy so they don't make the choice to leave their interior defender back at home where they may guard the inside, and live with their small forward chasing the beanpole sniper to the outside.

We happen to have a handful of tall guys who shoot from outside though. Bertans, Bryant, Kuzma, heck even Isaiah Todd and Jay Huff (if Huff somehow makes it through training camp on the squad), all are 6'10" and up. You can throw the 6'9" Avdija and 6'8" Hachimura in this category as well. All of these tall dudes have some face-up skills and can play effective basketball further outside the paint than you might traditionally expect given their height.

There will be times when it will be smart to find a role for each of them, even if it means they are sharing the floor with other tall guys who shoot from outside. At that point, eh, let the scorekeeper nerd decide what he wants to call them, which one is small and which one is power matters less to the win/loss record than if they can run the plays on the court and guard the opponent.
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Post#1958 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Sun Sep 19, 2021 9:18 pm

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Post#1960 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Mon Sep 20, 2021 6:28 pm

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:
doclinkin wrote:
payitforward wrote:
Bertans has never played the 3. Rui has never played the 3. .


Fascinating. I suppose "never" is at least equal to:

484:15 minutes of Bertans + Hachimura + center in 19/20
plus
394:51 of Beal + Bertans + Hachimura + center
and
379:12 of Russ + Bertans + Hachimura + center


Hmm. Never knew you could quantify "never". If I had to guess I would have thought it was an infinitely larger amount.

The position of Forward has changed over the years. Some of the roles remain the same: primary rebounding, interior defense, scoring inside the arc. However the PF has become required to be a mobile face-up player. Whichever non-center is on the interior more often, banging with bigs and fighting for rebounds, that is the power forward position. The player who is more perimeter oriented with occasional forays into the middle but mostly providing space by playing in the wings or running patterns like a guard, that guy is the 'small' forward.

The name is misleading. It used to be that the taller player was reliably sure to be the Power Forward, this is how the position is differentiated in stat sheets, play by play and box scores. So one could say with condescending and patronizing metaphors :clown: that a particular player has never played the small forward spot because they are taller than the other guys on court with them, and the stat nerds courtside marking in the play by play sheet inked them in that way.

But nowadays in an era of stretch forwards and even stretch 5's and 'positionless' basketball, things get a little more fuzzy. It would be more correct to say Perimeter Forward and Interior Forward. Squinting at a mislabeled stat sheet after the game, how do you know which role a player took? Well you can look at their shot charts for one thing. A guy who takes 70% of their shots from 3 is likely playing the perimeter role more often than a guy who is about 50/50 inside and out.

Now the fun thing about having a 6'10" guy who plays the perimeter is that other coaches often fall into the same trap as the stat nerds. They send their interior defender chasing after the guy running outside patterns. This opens up the interior for other shorter guys to get inside and play in the paint where their bigger brothers don't usually let them have any fun. Granted, it does help if you confuse the opponent by playing only one tall guy so they don't make the choice to leave their interior defender back at home where they may guard the inside, and live with their small forward chasing the beanpole sniper to the outside.

We happen to have a handful of tall guys who shoot from outside though. Bertans, Bryant, Kuzma, heck even Isaiah Todd and Jay Huff (if Huff somehow makes it through training camp on the squad), all are 6'10" and up. You can throw the 6'9" Avdija and 6'8" Hachimura in this category as well. All of these tall dudes have some face-up skills and can play effective basketball further outside the paint than you might traditionally expect given their height.

There will be times when it will be smart to find a role for each of them, even if it means they are sharing the floor with other tall guys who shoot from outside. At that point, eh, let the scorekeeper nerd decide what he wants to call them, which one is small and which one is power matters less to the win/loss record than if they can run the plays on the court and guard the opponent.
My last name is Holmes. I really did have an uncle named John home. John boy no Johnny Boy. My uncle John Holmes might have been a pimp just like Johnny Wad I think you're two days
I don't even understand that


I pride myself and being able to articulate and enunciate. Pride myself in being able to yada yada yada well. Yet somehow and some way this newfangled gadgetry fux it up. How in the world does the Google translator **** up what I'm saying on a regular

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Wait a second. I thought your last name was Jordinaire
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