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Re: Corey Kispert, Wizards Sniper. 

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Re: Corey Kispert, Wizards Sniper. 

Post#142 » by NatP4 » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:26 pm

Last 15 games: 12.4 points 3.4 rebounds 1.7 assists 0.6 steals 0.6 blocks 1.0 turnovers per 36 minutes on 45.7/38.6/89.5 shooting. 6.4 net rating in the month of January.

He was never a swing for the fences pick with all star potential, but he’s already a quality NBA player 37 games into his rookie season at age 22. Great value for the 15th overall pick.
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Post#143 » by Ruzious » Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:46 pm

I stick by what I said - he was a decent pick (who I predicted the Wiz would take), but I would have traded down for Weiskamp (picked 41st) and gotten more picks (maybe a future FRP).
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Post#144 » by payitforward » Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:36 pm

But, we didn't need to use the #15 pick to trade down! We had the #22 pick.

Even after the trade for Holiday, we had the #31 pick.

Given that the Knicks moved the #32 pick to OKC for the #34 & #36 picks, we could have preempted them & made the same move ourselves.

Then take Dosonmu #34 & Wieskamp #36. Solves a lot of problems!

(Or, more speculatively, move the #34 to Philly for the #50 & 53 plus a low R2 pick next year. Then take Wieskamp #36, Petresev & Bassey #50 & 53, & have a pick in the bank for next year.)
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Post#145 » by Ruzious » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:02 pm

payitforward wrote:But, we didn't need to use the #15 pick to trade down! We had the #22 pick.

Even after the trade for Holiday, we had the #31 pick.

Given that the Knicks moved the #32 pick to OKC for the #34 & #36 picks, we could have preempted them & made the same move ourselves.

Then take Dosonmu #34 & Wieskamp #36. Solves a lot of problems!

(Or, more speculatively, move the #34 to Philly for the #50 & 53 plus a low R2 pick next year. Then take Wieskamp #36, Petresev & Bassey #50 & 53, & have a pick in the bank for next year.)

Prehaps we could, but in addition, we could have gotten a strategic future first - from a team we'd expect to be bad this season.
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Post#146 » by Kanyewest » Thu Jan 13, 2022 10:11 pm

Not to mention Garrison Matthews leaving- theoretically the Wizards could have drafted both Kispert and re-signed Mathews although maybe it did play a factor in Shepherd's mind of not re-signing him.


Even with this relatively good stretch, Kispert is still only shooting 30.7% from 3- Still, I am more encouraged by Kispert than I was earlier in the season.
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Post#147 » by I_Like_Dirt » Today 2:21 am

Kanyewest wrote:Not to mention Garrison Matthews leaving- theoretically the Wizards could have drafted both Kispert and re-signed Mathews although maybe it did play a factor in Shepherd's mind of not re-signing him.


Even with this relatively good stretch, Kispert is still only shooting 30.7% from 3- Still, I am more encouraged by Kispert than I was earlier in the season.
Kispert does compare pretty favorably to Korver as a rookie. His misses from 3 seem somewhat a function of his prioritizing defensive schemes which is the right approach. And despite that he's found a way to be reasonably efficient; the only guys on the team with a better TS% than him with any reasonable minutes played are centers.
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Post#148 » by payitforward » Today 3:30 am

I hated the pick, but I was completely wrong.

Kispert has been very good, & he's getting better week by week. He needs to be a little better defensive rebounder, & at this point he isn't delivering the level of assists you usually get from a wing.

But, he's posting an above average TS% already, & that is impressive. Especially since he started kind of slow. Plenty of room to grow, sure, but he's gotten off to a good start.
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Post#149 » by Ruzious » Today 10:14 am

payitforward wrote:I hated the pick, but I was completely wrong.

Kispert has been very good, & he's getting better week by week. He needs to be a little better defensive rebounder, & at this point he isn't delivering the level of assists you usually get from a wing.

But, he's posting an above average TS% already, & that is impressive. Especially since he started kind of slow. Plenty of room to grow, sure, but he's gotten off to a good start.

Just wondering - what did he do in college that makes you think he'll do any better at getting assists and rebounds in the NBA? The most important NBA skill is shooting, and that's why the Wiz drafted him - not because he's going to be a cookie-cutter all-around player. He has his other pros and cons at various things, but his primary purpose is going to be spreading defenses and hitting 3's.
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Post#150 » by nate33 » Today 2:44 pm

Kispert's TS% on the season is .566 and his 3P% is .320. However, he had a pretty horrific start, particularly with his 3-point shooting.

In his first 22 games, his TS% was .487 and his 3P% was .205. :eek1:
Over the past 17 games, his TS% is .617 and his 3P% is .409.
Over the last 8 games, his TS% is .691 and his 3P% is .438. :o

He seems to have really settled into a rhythm now. I also like that his 2P% is a very respectable .580. He can finish around the rim and in midrange. Bertans, for example, consistently posts a 2P% of just .480.

At this point, the main thing I want to see out of Kispert is a higher usage rate, particularly from 3-point range. He is averaging 5.6 3PA's per 36. He doesn't have the high release point and insane range of Bertans who can get up 10+ 3PAs per 36, but I'd like to see Kispert shoot at least as often from 3 as KCP, who gets up 6.7 3PA's per 36.
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Post#151 » by smoothSeph » Today 2:51 pm

His shots are also going straight in now. He was having a problem with arc early in the season and always hitting back rim. Amazing how much of a change he made over the course of half a season.
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Post#152 » by Frichuela » Today 3:20 pm

Yes, Kispert is playing solid right now. He looks like a copy of Joe Harris, with hopefully a bit more upside? Displays good basketball IQ, positioning on court and sneaky athleticism. Not bad for a 15th pick to be honest.
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Post#153 » by payitforward » Today 4:19 pm

Ruzious wrote:
payitforward wrote:I hated the pick, but I was completely wrong.

Kispert has been very good, & he's getting better week by week. He needs to be a little better defensive rebounder, & at this point he isn't delivering the level of assists you usually get from a wing.

But, he's posting an above average TS% already, & that is impressive. Especially since he started kind of slow. Plenty of room to grow, sure, but he's gotten off to a good start.

Just wondering - what did he do in college that makes you think he'll do any better at getting assists and rebounds in the NBA?...

Nothing -- & you're pointing to the factors that made me doubt him as a pick. After all, the NBA success of a player with a single critical skill depends entirely on his being able to migrate that skill to the league. If he shows that he might be able increase other skills as an NBA player, that immediately increases your sense, or at least your hope, that he might turn out well.

Ruzious wrote:...The most important NBA skill is shooting, and that's why the Wiz drafted him - not because he's going to be a cookie-cutter all-around player. He has his other pros and cons at various things, but his primary purpose is going to be spreading defenses and hitting 3's.

Makes perfect sense: Kispert's ability to stay in the league, earn minutes, & succeed will depend on his shooting. Without that, nothing.

But, if he jumps that hurdle, then the question of how good he can be at the other stuff becomes relevant to his overall success. You can view it as "a bonus," if you like, but it's important to remember that every basketball player has to do every single basketball activity pretty much every time he gets on the floor.

I mentioned Kispert's defensive rebounding, because he's already posting a slightly above average number of offensive boards.

But my main point was to say that I was wrong to be critical of the pick. As nate points out, Kispert is improving rapidly, has posted terrific results the last few weeks.
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Post#154 » by Kanyewest » Today 4:42 pm

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Kanyewest wrote:Not to mention Garrison Matthews leaving- theoretically the Wizards could have drafted both Kispert and re-signed Mathews although maybe it did play a factor in Shepherd's mind of not re-signing him.


Even with this relatively good stretch, Kispert is still only shooting 30.7% from 3- Still, I am more encouraged by Kispert than I was earlier in the season.
Kispert does compare pretty favorably to Korver as a rookie. His misses from 3 seem somewhat a function of his prioritizing defensive schemes which is the right approach. And despite that he's found a way to be reasonably efficient; the only guys on the team with a better TS% than him with any reasonable minutes played are centers.



True. Just 5 games ago, Kispert's TS% was at 52.9%. He has now raised it to 56.6% since.
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Post#155 » by Ruzious » Today 5:59 pm

I_Like_Dirt wrote:
Kanyewest wrote:Not to mention Garrison Matthews leaving- theoretically the Wizards could have drafted both Kispert and re-signed Mathews although maybe it did play a factor in Shepherd's mind of not re-signing him.


Even with this relatively good stretch, Kispert is still only shooting 30.7% from 3- Still, I am more encouraged by Kispert than I was earlier in the season.
Kispert does compare pretty favorably to Korver as a rookie. His misses from 3 seem somewhat a function of his prioritizing defensive schemes which is the right approach. And despite that he's found a way to be reasonably efficient; the only guys on the team with a better TS% than him with any reasonable minutes played are centers.

That's a nice comp to Korver - even their names come off the tongue the same. If Kispert can have a similar career, that'd be terrific. Korver made an amazing 2,450 out of 5,715 3's for a percentage of .429 - a hair below the all-time greatest 3 point shooter Steph Curry's .430. And while Korver didn't have particularly quick feet, he had very quick hands which he used effectively on D.

One thing that makes Kispert so effective is that he's already getting in shooting position before he catches the ball. I think he'd do even better if we had a point guard who was particularly adept at driving and dishing out to the corner 3 shooter - like John Wall was.
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Post#156 » by doclinkin » 2 minutes ago

payitforward wrote:I hated the pick, but I was completely wrong.

Kispert has been very good, & he's getting better week by week. He needs to be a little better defensive rebounder, & at this point he isn't delivering the level of assists you usually get from a wing.

But, he's posting an above average TS% already, & that is impressive. Especially since he started kind of slow. Plenty of room to grow, sure, but he's gotten off to a good start.


The benefit and drawback of drafting an upperclassman is that they can play and adjust more quickly, they have a mature and developed game, however, they likely have less room to grow. It is tough to say if Kispert was the right pick at 15, depends on the eventual career upside of whomever was drafted after him. Still, he has earned his minutes on the floor this year, crowding out veteran players. A quick start is a good thing. Steady improvement over the season is an even more hopeful sign.

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