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Re: The real IT: Isaiah Todd. Wizards forward. 

Post#61 » by smoothSeph » Fri Sep 3, 2021 12:58 am

Can definitely see some MPJ in his game, albeit vs way inferior competition. Looking forward to seeing him develop.
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Re: The real IT: Isaiah Todd. Wizards forward. 

Post#62 » by long suffrin' boulez fan » Fri Sep 3, 2021 11:40 am

Gotta be honest. I saw zero in summer league that makes me believe he’ll ever be an NBA player. Does seem like a good kid though.
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Re: The real IT: Isaiah Todd. Wizards forward. 

Post#63 » by pcbothwel » Fri Sep 3, 2021 12:23 pm

long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Gotta be honest. I saw zero in summer league that makes me believe he’ll ever be an NBA player. Does seem like a good kid though.


Disagree. I think he is a real wild card for this team. I think his ceiling is limited in that he doesnt have the overall Awareness to be great on defense or to make those around him better offensively... But I think his shooting translates and MPJ is a legit archetype for him.
We have to turn Kuz, Harrell, and Bertans into longer term assets... and having Rui, Kispert, and Todd all step up makes them movable without sacrificing wins now.
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Re: The real IT: Isaiah Todd. Wizards forward. 

Post#64 » by payitforward » Fri Sep 3, 2021 3:22 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Gotta be honest. I saw zero in summer league that makes me believe he’ll ever be an NBA player. Does seem like a good kid though.

Disagree. I think he is a real wild card for this team. I think his ceiling is limited in that he doesnt have the overall Awareness to be great on defense or to make those around him better offensively... But I think his shooting translates and MPJ is a legit archetype for him....

I just happened on this, which is the best piece I've seen so far on Isaiah Todd: https://www.grizzlybearblues.com/2021/7/21/22584008/2021-gbb-nba-draft-prospect-profiles-isaiah-todd-memphis-grizzlies

pcbothwel wrote:...We have to turn Kuz, Harrell, and Bertans into longer term assets....

I take it you mean assets with more future development in them, i.e. younger assets...?

I would trade Bertans for just about anything that wasn't a negative.

My question about Harrell is just what it will cost to keep him. At his current salary, he's a bargain. But, he's expiring. Harrell is a very good player. Of all the acquisitions this off season, he's the one I like best.

Kuzma is a roll of the dice. He got quite a bit better last season, but not enough to make him worth what he is making. If he has another jump in him this year, great.

pcbothwel wrote:...having Rui, Kispert, and Todd all step up makes them movable without sacrificing wins now.

Obviously, this is an important season for Rui. But, the idea that Kispert and/or Todd have any chance to play well enough as rookies that they'd equal the positive impact on wins of Harrell, Kuzma and/or Bertans... well, let's just say that I can't understand how you could imagine there's any realistic likelihood of that!
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Re: The real IT: Isaiah Todd. Wizards forward. 

Post#65 » by pcbothwel » Fri Sep 3, 2021 4:32 pm

PIF. My point about "Longer term assets" and "having Rui, Kispert, and Todd all step up..." was not simply about this year. Maybe that clears it up.

What Im saying is that those young guys stepping up over the next two seasons allow us to move Kuz and Bertans. If we acquire future 1st (Even in the 25-30 range), then it provides us more flexibility should a premium talent become available and/or want to be in DC. That 2023 pick makes things a bit more difficult should we choose to make a move. Having a another 1st offsets that issue.

I.E.
- Beal extends next month for a 3+1 deal
- Dinwiddie returns to form, giving us a Jamal Murray/Brogdan caliber PG next to an All-NBA Beal
- Rui continues his growth, looking to be a Tobias Harris type 3rd/4th piece (Efficient scoring and Plus Man defense)
- Gafford doubles down on last year, showing to be an elite Defender

Now, assuming the other vets (KCP, Kuz, Harrell, Bertans) all produce at their previous 3 year average, the other young guys (Bryant, Kispert, Holiday, and Deni) make incremental improvements, and Coach Wes proves to be a considerable upgrade... then that is a top 4-6 seed in the East (Playoffs are a different story, but their depth will get them wins).
I cant help but think adding a Ben Simmons caliber player (Again, just an example) using the Vets, 1 of Deni/Kispert, and future picks doesnt make us a formidable team.

Dinwiddie / Holiday
Beal / KCP
Rui / Deni
Simmons / Bertans
Bryant / Gafford

Sorry to derail the Todd thread.
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Re: The real IT: Isaiah Todd. Wizards forward. 

Post#66 » by doclinkin » Fri Sep 3, 2021 7:54 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
long suffrin' boulez fan wrote:Gotta be honest. I saw zero in summer league that makes me believe he’ll ever be an NBA player. Does seem like a good kid though.


Disagree. I think he is a real wild card for this team. I think his ceiling is limited in that he doesnt have the overall Awareness to be great on defense or to make those around him better offensively...


He's 19 without college coaching. He has some sloppy habits. His identification of his own flaws is spot on though: he needs to focus on defense or else he won't get play time, and he needs to get stronger without losing mobility, so that his defense holds up.

I think he is learning a brand new game for himself. He dominated on the inside in highschool simply by being taller and more athletic than other people. He would have had an adjustment period playing next to Frans Wagner under Juwan Howard. Though he would have had more than 15 games to sort it out.

In the G-League he was suddenly practicing and playing against full grown men, many of whom had NBA careers. He had to share the front court with a top 10 lottery pick. His confidence suffered as he had to figure out what skills he had that would translate. He could still shoot over people, but on the interior he was getting shoved around. Still, can he learn and adjust? In the 2nd half of a shortened season his production picked up.

I think if we have good developmental coaching he will pick up a ton. Under a detail oriented stickler like Wes he will learn proper techniques that will help him. Things like his pointless fadeaway will be cleaned up (dude, you're seven feet tall and can fly, they're not blocking your jumper). Setting good screens and learning to bump and bang against stronger players in practice and in game play will teach him what he can and can't do. But he is 19. He has room to literally grow. His frame and athleticism will take good weight, and then he will discover that yeah at times he can bully people again. It might take a minute, but I expect we will see real growth before his rookie contract expires. Flashes of his talent and eventual upside. Then maybe we re-sign him cheap before he breaks through.
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Re: The real IT: Isaiah Todd. Wizards forward. 

Post#67 » by payitforward » Fri Sep 3, 2021 8:36 pm

pcbothwel wrote:PIF. My point about "Longer term assets" and "having Rui, Kispert, and Todd all step up..." was not simply about this year. Maybe that clears it up.

What Im saying is that those young guys stepping up over the next two seasons allow us to move Kuz and Bertans. ....

I.e. move them over the next two seasons...? Absolutely!

Especially if all three of them develop well & quickly. &, of course, Deni should be on that list as well. In fact, I'd say he has a higher chance of improving quickly than do Kispert & Todd! IMO he's more likely than Rui too.

For that matter, we can move Davis immediately as far as I'm concerned. He costs too much $$, & the commitment is too long, for what he brings.
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