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Draft Grades 2021 - How'd we (& others) do? 

Post#1 » by payitforward » Wed Aug 4, 2021 4:29 pm

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Re: Draft Grades 2021 - How'd we (& others) do? 

Post#2 » by payitforward » Wed Aug 4, 2021 4:30 pm

Grades for everyone here: https://medium.com/sportsraid/2021-nba-draft-grades-rankings-process-winners-losers-cavs-76ers-rockets-pistons-cade-mobley-jalen-fd8efa1377da

A very different view from most. Gotta hope he's mostly wrong, since we rank #29 out of 30 teams! :)

Here's his big board for context: https://medium.com/sportsraid/2021-nba-draft-big-board-rankings-final-tiers-cade-mobley-jalen-suggs-green-springer-kuminga-barnes-802a31e4e043

Here is what he has to say about Corey Kispert:
Honestly, what are we doing? How are we still slotting one-dimensional unathletic seniors into the lottery with a straight face? I’m well aware Kispert can shoot the lights out, and I’m sure he’ll have fun in a 3-Point Shootout someday. Every NBA team needs shooting. Every NBA team does not need “shooters” though. They need good players who also shoot well. Kispert can’t shoot from the bench, and if he’s not athletic enough to defend or do much else, I just don’t see why he should be anywhere even remotely near the lottery.


About Todd, he says:
Todd has an NBA body and the faint outline of a game. ...(He is) miles away from contributing but ...an avenue to get there.
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Re: Draft Grades 2021 - How'd we (& others) do? 

Post#3 » by nate33 » Wed Aug 4, 2021 4:37 pm

We should go back and grade the 2020 draft. Or better yet, the 2019 draft.

Grading this draft would just be a rehashing of all the same analysis and predictions in the Draft thread.
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Re: Draft Grades 2021 - How'd we (& others) do? 

Post#4 » by payitforward » Wed Aug 4, 2021 4:46 pm

nate -- great idea!

Really, in fact we probably should start with 2018. By now, we have a really solid take on the players, meaning that we can assess teams' drafting with confidence.
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Re: Draft Grades 2021 - How'd we (& others) do? 

Post#5 » by DCZards » Wed Aug 4, 2021 7:12 pm

payitforward wrote:Grades for everyone here: https://medium.com/sportsraid/2021-nba-draft-grades-rankings-process-winners-losers-cavs-76ers-rockets-pistons-cade-mobley-jalen-fd8efa1377da

A very different view from most. Gotta hope he's mostly wrong, since we rank #29 out of 30 teams! :)

Here's his big board for context: https://medium.com/sportsraid/2021-nba-draft-big-board-rankings-final-tiers-cade-mobley-jalen-suggs-green-springer-kuminga-barnes-802a31e4e043

Here is what he has to say about Corey Kispert:
Honestly, what are we doing? How are we still slotting one-dimensional unathletic seniors into the lottery with a straight face? I’m well aware Kispert can shoot the lights out, and I’m sure he’ll have fun in a 3-Point Shootout someday. Every NBA team needs shooting. Every NBA team does not need “shooters” though. They need good players who also shoot well. Kispert can’t shoot from the bench, and if he’s not athletic enough to defend or do much else, I just don’t see why he should be anywhere even remotely near the lottery.


About Todd, he says:
Todd has an NBA body and the faint outline of a game. ...(He is) miles away from contributing but ...an avenue to get there.

Just for some context: “Medium” is an online forum where literally ANYBODY can post their opinion…whether or not they know what they’re talking about or have any background/expertise in the topic.
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Re: Draft Grades 2021 - How'd we (& others) do? 

Post#6 » by payitforward » Wed Aug 4, 2021 8:00 pm

Totally correct -- Medium was founded by Ev Williams, a guy I met a bunch of times back in the day. Ev also founded Blogger & Twitter, btw.

But, it's not a "forum;" there were plenty of those available from the early days of the Internet. It's a quite powerful publishing platform, & it's widely used by people who write with a lot of knowledge & seriousness.

That doesn't make Brandon Anderson right about the 2021 draft, of course. But, your comment makes it seem as if something being published on Medium means it can be ignored. No, worse -- as if the fact that Brandon Anderson wrote a negative assessment of our draft on Medium means that he is wrong.

I don't know the guy or who he is; I don't care about him either But, he does seem to have written extensively about several drafts in a row, & he mentions having "watched hundreds of hours of film and taken 100,000+ words of notes on these guys." So I don't think we can presume to class him among those who don't "know what they talking about or have any background/expertise..." -- at least not without citing a reason to come to that conclusion. & I'm pretty sure the reason can't be that he doesn't like our draft! :)

Still, I don't know whether he's wrong or right about the 2021 draft or our part in it or any other team's part either. No one can know that yet. He makes that exact point, in fact, right at the start of his piece.

Then, there's what he says about our draft, which I put here in case your dismissive comment makes people avoid reading it:

"28. Washington Wizards...

"I’ve ranted enough about Corey Kispert. I didn’t have him in my first round at all, and I hate his fit here. Of all the teams in the league to not need a spot-up two, this is it. Bradley Beal will play every possible minute at Kispert’s position, and Davis Bertans is an expensive, taller version of Kispert already on the roster. Just a terrible fit and exactly the sort of dumb pick the Wizards make every year. God bless the Wizards.

"It’s hard to offload Westbrook’s contract for positive value, net a 1st, and still end up as a bottom-3 draft, but here we are. The #22 pick is the only real value Washington got for Russ, so naturally, they immediately traded it for a 2 and one year of Aaron Holiday to be the league’s worst starting point guard.

"Trading Westbrook was great. Washington should’ve traded Beal too. They could’ve maybe left Draft Day with Ben Simmons or a monster Golden State package. They might have left the day with Wiseman, Kuminga, Moody, Jackson, and real hope for the future. Instead, they have Corey Kispert."

&, for the record, here's what he has to say about both Kispert & Todd on his "big board:"

TIER VI — HIGH-END SECOND ROUNDERS
...34. SG9 Corey Kispert, Gonzaga...
...then there’s Corey Kispert. Honestly, what are we doing? How are we still slotting one-dimensional unathletic seniors into the lottery with a straight face? I’m well aware Kispert can shoot the lights out, and I’m sure he’ll have fun in a 3-Point Shootout someday. Every NBA team needs shooting. Every NBA team does not need “shooters” though. They need good players who also shoot well. Kispert can’t shoot from the bench, and if he’s not athletic enough to defend or do much else, I just don’t see why he should be anywhere even remotely near the lottery.

37. PF8 Isaiah Todd, G League Ignite
Todd and Greg Brown are ...the upside guys in this tier but feel like long shots to over get there. ...Todd has an NBA body and the faint outline of a game. Both of them are miles away from contributing but have an avenue to get there.

Hope his assessments are off!
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Re: Draft Grades 2021 - How'd we (& others) do? 

Post#7 » by DCZards » Wed Aug 4, 2021 9:11 pm

PIF, I have no idea who Brandon Anderson is or how much he knows about or follows the NBA and college basketball. But, personally, I’m not putting any more stock into his opinion than I would your opinion or the opinion of anyone else who posts on this RealGM board.

(It doesn’t help that Anderson is published on a site where ANYBODY can publish their opinion…and where I have read some asinine stuff. Sorry about that.)

Quite frankly, I’m startled by this assessment of Kispert on the part of Anderson: “I didn’t have him in my first round at all”

Anderson is entitled to his opinion. But It’s hard for me to believe that the player on one of the top teams in college basketball and a player widely considered the best 3pt shooter in the draft is not at least worth a first round pick in a league that is increasingly dominated by 3pt shooting.

Pretty much every mock draft had Kispert in the top half of the first round. Of course, those mocks may turn out to be wrong.

And to say that Kispert is a “terrible fit” for the Zards given our team’s desperate need for 3pt shooting is bizarre.

Of course, that's just my opinion...maybe I should post it on Medium. :)

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