Re: Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread.
Posted: Mon Nov 22, 2021 7:58 pm
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SUPERBALLMAN wrote:NatP4 wrote:SUPERBALLMAN wrote:I'm interested to see Ayayi , I'd like to see him get a chance to see how he might fit in the rotation.
Same. I think he’s going to be a really good 3rd guard.
In 5 G-League games he’s averaging 14 points 7.7 assists and 6.7 rebounds per 36 on 67.8% TS. Shooting the 3 at 38.5%.
Those are basically identical to his junior year numbers at Gonzaga plus a massive increase in assists.
Yeah, I just like his skills as a guard who you could possibly play with either Dinwiddie or Beal, Good size, versatile, well rounded game & IQ.
dckingsfan wrote:I would not have guessed this - and I don't understand the "why". But Holiday/KCP are really bad when playing together. You will also note that the Avidja/Harrell combination continues to put distance between every other combination.
Click on NETRTG and it will give you the worst net rating.
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=3&sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&CF=MIN*G*100
Frichuela wrote:dckingsfan wrote:I would not have guessed this - and I don't understand the "why". But Holiday/KCP are really bad when playing together. You will also note that the Avidja/Harrell combination continues to put distance between every other combination.
Click on NETRTG and it will give you the worst net rating.
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=3&sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&CF=MIN*G*100
Key takeaway: any line up with Harrell at C is beasting. Meanwhile, the results with Gafford are very underwhelming…
Frichuela wrote:dckingsfan wrote:I would not have guessed this - and I don't understand the "why". But Holiday/KCP are really bad when playing together. You will also note that the Avidja/Harrell combination continues to put distance between every other combination.
Click on NETRTG and it will give you the worst net rating.
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=3&sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&CF=MIN*G*100
Key takeaway: any line up with Harrell at C is beasting. Meanwhile, the results with Gafford are very underwhelming…
queridiculo wrote:Frichuela wrote:dckingsfan wrote:I would not have guessed this - and I don't understand the "why". But Holiday/KCP are really bad when playing together. You will also note that the Avidja/Harrell combination continues to put distance between every other combination.
Click on NETRTG and it will give you the worst net rating.
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=3&sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&CF=MIN*G*100
Key takeaway: any line up with Harrell at C is beasting. Meanwhile, the results with Gafford are very underwhelming…
Yeah, it's interesting, I was looking at the five man lineups earlier.
Our starting lineup, and the lineup with the most playing time together so far this season has an awful net rating of -8.6.
I mean this group is first at 125 minutes by a margin of damn near 60 minutes compared to one of most effective lineups the Wizards have playing together (B. Beal, .K. Caldwell-Pope, .S. Dinwiddie, .M. Harrell, .K. Kuzma).
It's not the defensive however, it's the sheer ineptitude on offense that's consistently putting this team into a hole with that starting group.
In theory the starting five that should be able to stretch the floor and take advantage of Dinwiddie's and Beals ability to get to the hoop but most of the time the perimeter is so crowded that the offense gets bogged down.
All those dribble handoffs and pick and rolls featuring Gafford gum up the offense on the perimeter because it brings an extra defender and Washington hasn't figured out how to consistently take advantage when our center has a mismatch from the switches and blitzes defenses send at our ball handlers.
The lineup data is not kind to Gafford when he's on the floor at all unfortunately, and it's mostly because the offense lags so far behind with him out there.
Gafford should be parked in the dunker spot not spend his time being a facilitator on the perimeter, it doesn't suit his skillset at all.
queridiculo wrote:All those dribble handoffs and pick and rolls featuring Gafford gum up the offense on the perimeter because it brings an extra defender and Washington hasn't figured out how to consistently take advantage when our center has a mismatch from the switches and blitzes defenses send at our ball handlers.
The lineup data is not kind to Gafford when he's on the floor at all unfortunately, and it's mostly because the offense lags so far behind with him out there.
Gafford should be parked in the dunker spot not spend his time being a facilitator on the perimeter, it doesn't suit his skillset at all.
Frichuela wrote:dckingsfan wrote:I would not have guessed this - and I don't understand the "why". But Holiday/KCP are really bad when playing together. You will also note that the Avidja/Harrell combination continues to put distance between every other combination.
Click on NETRTG and it will give you the worst net rating.
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=3&sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&CF=MIN*G*100
Key takeaway: any line up with Harrell at C is beasting. Meanwhile, the results with Gafford are very underwhelming…
Dolevi wrote:The Deni-Montrezl chemistry on the floor it's really something lovely to see. No doubt those are the stats. Not surprised.
nate33 wrote:queridiculo wrote:All those dribble handoffs and pick and rolls featuring Gafford gum up the offense on the perimeter because it brings an extra defender and Washington hasn't figured out how to consistently take advantage when our center has a mismatch from the switches and blitzes defenses send at our ball handlers.
The lineup data is not kind to Gafford when he's on the floor at all unfortunately, and it's mostly because the offense lags so far behind with him out there.
Gafford should be parked in the dunker spot not spend his time being a facilitator on the perimeter, it doesn't suit his skillset at all.
This is an interesting thought. It would be nice to see Wes Jr. explore it some. It would be interesting to have Bertans be the screen setter at the high post so he can run pick and pop. His man couldn't afford to hedge onto the ball handler, allowing the ball handler to attack the basket with only Gafford and Gafford's defender near the rim, so it would be a 2 on 1.
dckingsfan wrote:I would not have guessed this - and I don't understand the "why". But Holiday/KCP are really bad when playing together. You will also note that the Avidja/Harrell combination continues to put distance between every other combination.
Click on NETRTG and it will give you the worst net rating.
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=3&sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&CF=MIN*G*100
Pistol King wrote:I'm saying it as a big WUJ fan. Loved everything about his press conferences and he's such a refresh after having Brooks, He has a true potential as a good NBA coach, but so far it seems he's going to live and die with his 'favorable players' even if they don't justify it, and it costs and will cost unnecessary losses. We've been 18 games in and I can't recall even one time when the Wizards start a game in a bad way and he would make an early line up change according to what is happening on the floor. He's just riding the same players at the same moments almost blindly, and it's disappointing.
Pistol King wrote:dckingsfan wrote:I would not have guessed this - and I don't understand the "why". But Holiday/KCP are really bad when playing together. You will also note that the Avidja/Harrell combination continues to put distance between every other combination.
Click on NETRTG and it will give you the worst net rating.
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=3&sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&CF=MIN*G*100
Something really catches me in those stats: Deni appears on all of the top 6 three players lineups net rating combinations. Harrell appears in five of the top six:
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=3&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*100
Also Deni appears in 4 of the top six two players line ups net rating combinations. Interestingly Harrell appears only on two of the top six two players combinations:
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=2&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*100
I'd assume Deni appears in more two players line ups than Trez because he's more versatile, can play few different positions which help him to bond well with different type of players.
For me it's absolutely a miracle that Deni has such a high net rating metrics despite playing almost consistently alongside Neto, who is the team's worst player so far this year.
Advanced stats clearly show the team is so much better when Deni and Harrell are on the court. What a smart coach would do: trying put them on the court as much as possible. What WUJ is doing game after game: giving heavy minutes to one dimensional midgets like Neto and Holiday, and letting the starting line up having way more minutes than what they're actually deserve according to their play level. Now I'm afraid he will start letting Davis a green light to do whatever he wants as well, and with his zero defense it might be too painful to watch. Yeah, from time to time he would get from him a random 7/9 from 3 game, but we know it's fool's gold.
I'm saying it as a big WUJ fan. Loved everything about his press conferences and he's such a refresh after having Brooks, He has a true potential as a good NBA coach, but so far it seems he's going to live and die with his 'favorable players' even if they don't justify it, and it costs and will cost unnecessary losses. We've been 18 games in and I can't recall even one time when the Wizards start a game in a bad way and he would make an early line up change according to what is happening on the floor. He's just riding the same players at the same moments almost blindly, and it's disappointing.
I agree with every word of this.Pistol King wrote:dckingsfan wrote:I would not have guessed this - and I don't understand the "why". But Holiday/KCP are really bad when playing together. You will also note that the Avidja/Harrell combination continues to put distance between every other combination.
Click on NETRTG and it will give you the worst net rating.
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=3&sort=NET_RATING&dir=-1&CF=MIN*G*100
Something really catches me in those stats: Deni appears on all of the top 6 three players lineups net rating combinations. Harrell appears in five of the top six:
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=3&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*100
Also Deni appears in 4 of the top six two players line ups net rating combinations. Interestingly Harrell appears only on two of the top six two players combinations:
https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanced/?Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612764&GroupQuantity=2&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&CF=MIN*G*100
I'd assume Deni appears in more two players line ups than Trez because he's more versatile, can play few different positions which help him to bond well with different type of players.
For me it's absolutely a miracle that Deni has such a high net rating metrics despite playing almost consistently alongside Neto, who is the team's worst player so far this year.
Advanced stats clearly show the team is so much better when Deni and Harrell are on the court. What a smart coach would do: trying put them on the court as much as possible. What WUJ is doing game after game: giving heavy minutes to one dimensional midgets like Neto and Holiday, and letting the starting line up having way more minutes than what they're actually deserve according to their play level. Now I'm afraid he will start letting Davis a green light to do whatever he wants as well, and with his zero defense it might be too painful to watch. Yeah, from time to time he would get from him a random 7/9 from 3 game, but we know it's fool's gold.
I'm saying it as a big WUJ fan. Loved everything about his press conferences and he's such a refresh after having Brooks, He has a true potential as a good NBA coach, but so far it seems he's going to live and die with his 'favorable players' even if they don't justify it, and it costs and will cost unnecessary losses. We've been 18 games in and I can't recall even one time when the Wizards start a game in a bad way and he would make an early line up change according to what is happening on the floor. He's just riding the same players at the same moments almost blindly, and it's disappointing.