Line-ups, rotation, analysis thread.

[nate33]

when is Rui coming back

2-3 weeks.

[FAH1223]

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[gambitx777]

Can Trez be effect at a lower usage. That's the issue his minutes have dropped and his production is going down too. Is he just. Coming back down to earth? Would it be wise to move him now whole he has some positive value. ?

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[youngWizzy]

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[Ruzious]

Both Gafford and Harrell have terrific ORTG and DRTG ratings; Gafford 126 vs 103 and Harrell 134 vs 108. Beal is 102 vs 112.

[nate33]

DRtg is a totally useless stat, except perhaps for looking at centers. It is so dependent on team performance, and non-centers often have very little to do with team defensive performance. Nemanja Bjelica, at age 32, had a DRtg of 119 with Sacramento, but now in Golden State, at age 34, he is the 2nd best defensive player in the league with a DRtg of 97. Any stat that fluctuates like that has no meaning.

Literally every player on the Golden State Warriors, including guys like Curry, Juan Toscano-Anderson and Jordan Poole, rank as far better defenders than Bam Adebayo, Mikal Bridges and OG Anunoby.

[Ruzious]

DRtg is a totally useless stat, except perhaps for looking at centers. It is so dependent on team performance, and non-centers often have very little to do with team defensive performance. Nemanja Bjelica, at age 32, had a DRtg of 119 with Sacramento, but now in Golden State, at age 34, he is the 2nd best defensive player in the league with a DRtg of 97. Any stat that fluctuates like that has no meaning.

Literally every player on the Golden State Warriors, including guys like Curry, Juan Toscano-Anderson and Jordan Poole, rank as far better defenders than Bam Adebayo, Mikal Bridges and OG Anunoby.

I mostly agree - which is why I wasn't comparing them to players on other teams, and my point was showing the difference between the DRTG and ORTG for the players I mentioned - responding to the tweat in the previous post.

[nate33]

DRtg is a totally useless stat, except perhaps for looking at centers. It is so dependent on team performance, and non-centers often have very little to do with team defensive performance. Nemanja Bjelica, at age 32, had a DRtg of 119 with Sacramento, but now in Golden State, at age 34, he is the 2nd best defensive player in the league with a DRtg of 97. Any stat that fluctuates like that has no meaning.

Literally every player on the Golden State Warriors, including guys like Curry, Juan Toscano-Anderson and Jordan Poole, rank as far better defenders than Bam Adebayo, Mikal Bridges and OG Anunoby.

I mostly agree - which is why I wasn't comparing them to players on other teams, and my point was showing the difference between the DRTG and ORTG for the players I mentioned - responding to the tweat in the previous post.

Sorry if my post came off as attacking you. Didn't mean it that way.

[tontoz]

Can Trez be effect at a lower usage. That's the issue his minutes have dropped and his production is going down too. Is he just. Coming back down to earth? Would it be wise to move him now whole he has some positive value. ?

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I would think he is becoming more of a focus for the scouts/coaches of opposing teams.

[dckingsfan]

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I think there is something there... not exactly sure what.

Possibly Kuzma/Harrell and Avidja/Gafford could be better fits?

Or the Dinwiddie/Beal/KCP/Kuzma/Gafford lineup isn't all that for whatever reason?

I don't see Wes changing his rotations much yet. There are some adjustments but he seems to be making in game but doesn't seem to be changing up the pairings that much (except due to foul trouble, injuries, etc.).

[DCZards]

I’d expect Wes to give his lineups and rotations a chance to gel (or not) before making any moves. Four of the 5 starters weren’t even with the Zards at this point last season.

My biggest concern is the Beal-Dinwiddie chemistry. Not seeing anything close to what I expected…hopefully that changes.

[nate33]

I think there is something there... not exactly sure what.

Possibly Kuzma/Harrell and Avidja/Gafford could be better fits?

Or the Dinwiddie/Beal/KCP/Kuzma/Gafford lineup isn't all that for whatever reason?

I don't see Wes changing his rotations much yet. There are some adjustments but he seems to be making in game but doesn't seem to be changing up the pairings that much (except due to foul trouble, injuries, etc.).

I'm not really sure there is anything to this but random noise.

The only real synergy I see out there is that Avdija and Harrell work well together because Avdija's low-usage offensive mindset and excellent help defense match up perfectly with Harrell's aggressive offensive mindset and mediocre defense. Other than that, no other combination seems particularly ideal in some intrinsic manner.

One other thing that sticks out to me is that Aaron Holiday seems better as a starter. He's one of the few guys who shows up in the first quarter with high energy, aggressively driving to the lane. If Dinwiddie doesn't start picking up his aggressiveness, it might be worth starting Holiday. (I'd still try and give Dinwiddie starter's minutes though. He is the better overall player.) It's worth noting that Holiday's net rating is massively positive when alongside Beal (+9.8) and woefully negative when not (-7.9), so by starting him, we would presumably be getting the best out of him. The sample sizes are really small though.

[NatP4]

Isaiah Todd is shooting the ball really well in the g-league. He might be a decent prospect after all

[dckingsfan]

I think there is something there... not exactly sure what.

Possibly Kuzma/Harrell and Avidja/Gafford could be better fits?

Or the Dinwiddie/Beal/KCP/Kuzma/Gafford lineup isn't all that for whatever reason?

I don't see Wes changing his rotations much yet. There are some adjustments but he seems to be making in game but doesn't seem to be changing up the pairings that much (except due to foul trouble, injuries, etc.).

I'm not really sure there is anything to this but random noise.

The only real synergy I see out there is that Avdija and Harrell work well together because Avdija's low-usage offensive mindset and excellent help defense match up perfectly with Harrell's aggressive offensive mindset and mediocre defense. Other than that, no other combination seems particularly ideal in some intrinsic manner.

One other thing that sticks out to me is that Aaron Holiday seems better as a starter. He's one of the few guys who shows up in the first quarter with high energy, aggressively driving to the lane. If Dinwiddie doesn't start picking up his aggressiveness, it might be worth starting Holiday. (I'd still try and give Dinwiddie starter's minutes though. He is the better overall player.) It's worth noting that Holiday's net rating is massively positive when alongside Beal (+9.8) and woefully negative when not (-7.9), so by starting him, we would presumably be getting the best out of him. The sample sizes are really small though.

Yep, could very well be.

And maybe they will work it out but Dinwiddie/Beal isn't all that. But Holiday hasn't been that solid. Not many good choices for Wes.

[NatP4]

The most obvious adjustment in the world is to start Avdija at the 4 and make Kuzma an 18-20 minute rotation player instead of the main f’ing event. Aaron Holiday simply isn’t a NBA player. He should be a 3rd string PG that only plays when injuries occur. Just play your 15th overall pick in that spot.

I’m really not sure if Wes Unseld is anything more than an average coach. At this point, I’m pretty bored with this team. They look a 45 win 2nd round exit with little to no upside and a mediocre coach. I’m starting to think trading Beal and giving guys like Todd, Kispert, and Ayayi more opportunities would be a far more appealing direction.

[Dolevi]

I heard Kuzma is in quarantine. Maybe it's a good idea to try Deni with Harrell in the starting line-up?

[dckingsfan]

I heard Kuzma is in quarantine. Maybe it's a good idea to try Deni with Harrell in the starting line-up?

Well certainly start Deni - I guess we will see where Wes' mindset is at. With Deni/KCP on the floor, it seems like Harrell would be the best option unless you want to start with your best defensive lineup.

I am giving Wes a pass for the first half of the season given that he is a rookie coach - maybe I shouldn't do that...

But if the starting lineup with Deni works and he goes back to Kuz

[Dolevi]

I heard Kuzma is in quarantine. Maybe it's a good idea to try Deni with Harrell in the starting line-up?

Well certainly start Deni - I guess we will see where Wes' mindset is at. With Deni/KCP on the floor, it seems like Harrell would be the best option unless you want to start with your best defensive lineup.

I am giving Wes a pass for the first half of the season given that he is a rookie coach - maybe I shouldn't do that...

But if the starting lineup with Deni works and he goes back to Kuz

Lol
This is a Scott Brooks's move

[tontoz]

Isaiah Todd is shooting the ball really well in the g-league. He might be a decent prospect after all

Looking at his highlights he looks like a 3 to me. He likes the one foot thing.

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[doclinkin]

Isaiah Todd is shooting the ball really well in the g-league. He might be a decent prospect after all

Looking at his highlights he looks like a 3 to me. ]

Showing NBA range from outside. Deep from above the elbow extended on that 3rd shot.

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Definitely playing outside on offense, and still looking a bit inactive or lost on defense. Ballwatching, no boxing out, etc.