Dat2U wrote:Nate has a right to be skeptical. CDC categorizes you as "unvaccinated" unless its 2 weeks after the "final innoculation" or whatever that means. The data they put out is a misrepresenation of reality and not reliable.
That's because Pfizer/Moderna/J&J themselves only consider a person vaccinated after 2 weeks after the 1st vaccination. That's how long it takes the antibodies to develop.
Yes, but it conveniently obscures the fact that during those 2 weeks, your immunity is actually suppressed, making you more vulnerable than you were prior to the injection. And any infections during those two weeks are "charged" to the "unvaccinated" column.
Kanyewest wrote:Also the CDC differentiates between people who get 1 shot and those who get 2 shots. Note, there is no difference in worldwide data (ie from Canada) as Nate pointed out.
There is a big difference in data. Canada, UK, Denmark, Scotland all show a MUCH higher infection rate among the two-dose vaccinated, but somehow New York shows a much higher infection rate among the unvaccinated. For example, the Alberta stats I posted on the last page show that the two-dose vaccinated are having a much higher per capital infection rate than the unvaccinated, while the New York data shows the completely opposite trend. Not just opposite of Alberta, but opposite of just about every nation in Western Europe right now:
This New York data makes absolutely no sense in a world where the vast majority are vaccinated yet case rates are at record highs. They are clearly lying.
Kanyewest wrote:And the figure Nate cites represents an estimate of 100-200 deaths (just looking at the graph) out 3100 in Alberta Canada which represents 3-5 percent of all deaths- still showing that unvaccinated deaths are significantly higher.
Yes, but those 3100 deaths are over two full years
. The post-injection deaths are in just two weeks
. So in the 100 or so total weeks that the people of Alberta were exposed to Covid, they suffered 3100 Covid-related deaths - or about 31 deaths a week. But during the two week period after their first vaccination, they cumulatively suffered 200 Covid-related deaths, or 100 deaths per week. Covid deaths during the two weeks following vaccination were 3 times higher than the baseline Covid death rate!
Guys, this is important stuff. Look at it carefully and tell me where I'm wrong if you think I am. Don't just dismiss it because you are labeling me an anti-vaxxer. There is downside to the vaccines. They are not perfectly safe as the CDC keeps insisting. On balance, they are a benefit to older people and people with preconditions, but the risk reward calculation is far less clear for healthy, younger people and for people who already have natural immunity.
(It's also worth noting that Alberta took that 1st dose death rate data off their website after it made its rounds around social media. They are just giving us the data they want us to have.)