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80sballboy wrote:So Wiz and so Washington/Baltimore area.(Lamar, Nats-Covid, Wiz-Covid regular season, Ravens-Covid)
Also, this has to be more than just bad luck. I don't hear about any other organizations having these issues. Says something about this organization.
gambitx777 wrote:How was this preventable ?
doclinkin wrote:Studies show unvaccinated people are three times more likely than those who are fully vaccinated to test positive for COVID-19. Researchers also said fully vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the virus to others. But some people think they are outsmarting everyone by remaining vulnerable. Maybe this doesn't represent Beal's views, but our franchise player hasn't shown public leadership in the opposite direction either.
“Our vaccines are working exceptionally well. They continue to work well for Delta with regard to severe illness and death, they prevent it. But what they can’t do anymore is prevent transmission.”
A sobering scientific analysis published Friday found that three-quarters of the people infected during an explosive coronavirus outbreak fueled by the delta variant were fully vaccinated. The report on the Massachusetts cases, from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, offers key evidence bolstering the hypothesis that vaccinated people can spread the more transmissible variant and may be a factor in the summer surge of infections.
Critically, the study found that vaccinated individuals carried as much virus in their noses as unvaccinated individuals, strongly suggesting that vaccinated people could spread the virus to others.
Similar findings may be emerging from other locations. The internal CDC document showed that national surveillance found that vaccinated people had larger amounts of virus in their nose when infected with the delta variant, compared with other variants. A report of cases from mid-July in Dane County, Wis., found a similar result, showing that fully vaccinated people had viral loads similar to those of unvaccinated people “and may be more capable of spreading COVID than was previously known.”
nate33 wrote:doclinkin wrote:Studies show unvaccinated people are three times more likely than those who are fully vaccinated to test positive for COVID-19. Researchers also said fully vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the virus to others. But some people think they are outsmarting everyone by remaining vulnerable. Maybe this doesn't represent Beal's views, but our franchise player hasn't shown public leadership in the opposite direction either.
Do you have a source for this?
doclinkin wrote:nate33 wrote:doclinkin wrote:Studies show unvaccinated people are three times more likely than those who are fully vaccinated to test positive for COVID-19. Researchers also said fully vaccinated people are less likely to transmit the virus to others. But some people think they are outsmarting everyone by remaining vulnerable. Maybe this doesn't represent Beal's views, but our franchise player hasn't shown public leadership in the opposite direction either.
Do you have a source for this?
https://spiral.imperial.ac.uk/bitstream/10044/1/90800/2/react1_r13_final_preprint_final.pdf
Last subject batch of people tested was June 24-July 12. Pretty current.
Let me see if I can find an article that breaks it down. Hang on.
Boom:
https://www.healthline.com/health-news/risks-of-the-delta-variant-for-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-people
There will be more variants as long as more and more people get sick and continue to spread it. Yes even if you are vaccinated you should be wearing a mask to avoid spreading it in case you do contract it and are asymptomatic. Leadership on this issue is a matter of personal choice as well, but it can save more lives than shouting about personal choice does.
However, in round 13, 44% of infections occurred in fully vaccinated individuals, reflecting imperfect vaccine effectiveness against infection despite high overall levels of vaccination. Using self-reported vaccination status, we estimated adjusted vaccine effectiveness against infection in round 13 of 49% (22%, 67%) among participants aged 18 to 64 years, which rose to 58% (33%, 73%) when considering only strong positives (Cycle threshold [Ct] values < 27); also, we estimated adjusted vaccine effectiveness against symptomatic infection of 59%
nate33 wrote:So vaccine effectiveness is only 44% in the most recent round, increasing from 33% in the prior round. So, as I said, it's trending in the wrong direction as the vaccine loses effectiveness. And at just 44% effective, I'd say the vaccinated are probably just as likely to be spreading as the unvaccinated, since they are more likely to be walking around and attending social gatherings rather than being at home with a headache or fever.
DCZards wrote:nate33 wrote:So vaccine effectiveness is only 44% in the most recent round, increasing from 33% in the prior round. So, as I said, it's trending in the wrong direction as the vaccine loses effectiveness. And at just 44% effective, I'd say the vaccinated are probably just as likely to be spreading as the unvaccinated, since they are more likely to be walking around and attending social gatherings rather than being at home with a headache or fever.
Yeah…but if the vaccinated folks are spreading it to other vaccinated people then few people are likely to be home with a headache or fever.
It’s the knuckleheads who are refusing to get vaccinated for simple a** reasons who are ending up hospitalized or dead…and forcing the rest of us to face another shutdown.
nate33 wrote:DCZards wrote:nate33 wrote:So vaccine effectiveness is only 44% in the most recent round, increasing from 33% in the prior round. So, as I said, it's trending in the wrong direction as the vaccine loses effectiveness. And at just 44% effective, I'd say the vaccinated are probably just as likely to be spreading as the unvaccinated, since they are more likely to be walking around and attending social gatherings rather than being at home with a headache or fever.
Yeah…but if the vaccinated folks are spreading it to other vaccinated people then few people are likely to be home with a headache or fever.
It’s the knuckleheads who are refusing to get vaccinated for simple a** reasons who are ending up hospitalized or dead…and forcing the rest of us to face another shutdown.
Nobody is forcing us to face another shutdown. As you said, the vaccinated aren't being hospitalized or dying. The unvaccinated have made their choice. They can live with it. If you ask them, I'm sure they'd be against another shutdown too.
DCZards wrote:nate33 wrote:DCZards wrote:Yeah…but if the vaccinated folks are spreading it to other vaccinated people then few people are likely to be home with a headache or fever.
It’s the knuckleheads who are refusing to get vaccinated for simple a** reasons who are ending up hospitalized or dead…and forcing the rest of us to face another shutdown.
Nobody is forcing us to face another shutdown. As you said, the vaccinated aren't being hospitalized or dying. The unvaccinated have made their choice. They can live with it. If you ask them, I'm sure they'd be against another shutdown too.
Do you think DC and Maryland would have returned to a mask mandate if people weren’t being hospitalized and dying…almost all of whom are unvaccinated?
DCZards wrote:If you’re truly against another shutdown get your butt vaccinated. It’s not rocket science.
DCZards wrote:nate33 wrote:So vaccine effectiveness is only 44% in the most recent round, increasing from 33% in the prior round. So, as I said, it's trending in the wrong direction as the vaccine loses effectiveness. And at just 44% effective, I'd say the vaccinated are probably just as likely to be spreading as the unvaccinated, since they are more likely to be walking around and attending social gatherings rather than being at home with a headache or fever.
Yeah…but if the vaccinated folks are attending social gatherings and spreading the virus to other vaccinated people very few of them are likely to end up at home with a headache or bad fever.
It’s the knuckleheads who are refusing to get vaccinated for stupid a** reasons who are ending up hospitalized or dead…and forcing the rest of us to face another shutdown.
Ruzious wrote:DCZards wrote:nate33 wrote:So vaccine effectiveness is only 44% in the most recent round, increasing from 33% in the prior round. So, as I said, it's trending in the wrong direction as the vaccine loses effectiveness. And at just 44% effective, I'd say the vaccinated are probably just as likely to be spreading as the unvaccinated, since they are more likely to be walking around and attending social gatherings rather than being at home with a headache or fever.
Yeah…but if the vaccinated folks are attending social gatherings and spreading the virus to other vaccinated people very few of them are likely to end up at home with a headache or bad fever.
It’s the knuckleheads who are refusing to get vaccinated for stupid a** reasons who are ending up hospitalized or dead…and forcing the rest of us to face another shutdown.
The unvaccinated include children - who have not made choices. Of course, there are enormous problems with the unvaccinated - including the crowding of hospitals here and all over the world - which lowers the quality of care for hospital patients in general and over-burdens hospital workers - also resulting in lower quality of care for hospital patients in general. Generally speaking, civilizations tend to frown on people unnecessarily suffering and dying from pandemics.
nate33 wrote:Ruzious wrote:DCZards wrote:Yeah…but if the vaccinated folks are attending social gatherings and spreading the virus to other vaccinated people very few of them are likely to end up at home with a headache or bad fever.
It’s the knuckleheads who are refusing to get vaccinated for stupid a** reasons who are ending up hospitalized or dead…and forcing the rest of us to face another shutdown.
The unvaccinated include children - who have not made choices. Of course, there are enormous problems with the unvaccinated - including the crowding of hospitals here and all over the world - which lowers the quality of care for hospital patients in general and over-burdens hospital workers - also resulting in lower quality of care for hospital patients in general. Generally speaking, civilizations tend to frown on people unnecessarily suffering and dying from pandemics.
Fine. Then let's ban obesity. Fat people can't eat at restaurants anymore. Ban smoking too. How far down the road of medical tyranny do you want to take this?
Right now, the Covid risk for children is less than their flu risk. Should we mandate vaccines for them? The Covid death risk for people who have already recovered from Covid is virtually zero for anyone other than the extremely elderly, are we going to mandate that they take the vaccine anyhow? For any non-obese person under 50, the Covid risk is less than the risk of dying in a car crash. Are we still going to mandate vaccines for them?
Ruzious wrote:nate33 wrote:Ruzious wrote:The unvaccinated include children - who have not made choices. Of course, there are enormous problems with the unvaccinated - including the crowding of hospitals here and all over the world - which lowers the quality of care for hospital patients in general and over-burdens hospital workers - also resulting in lower quality of care for hospital patients in general. Generally speaking, civilizations tend to frown on people unnecessarily suffering and dying from pandemics.
Fine. Then let's ban obesity. Fat people can't eat at restaurants anymore. Ban smoking too. How far down the road of medical tyranny do you want to take this?
Right now, the Covid risk for children is less than their flu risk. Should we mandate vaccines for them? The Covid death risk for people who have already recovered from Covid is virtually zero for anyone other than the extremely elderly, are we going to mandate that they take the vaccine anyhow? For any non-obese person under 50, the Covid risk is less than the risk of dying in a car crash. Are we still going to mandate vaccines for them?
STOP WITH THE MORONIC RATIONALIZATIONS!!!
nate33 wrote:The only rationale for masks and social distancing at this point is if hospitals get overwhelmed. But if they weren't overwhelmed last year with no vaccines and only 5% natural immunity, they're not going to get overwhelmed this year with 60% vaccination rate and 30% natural immunity.
DCZards wrote:nate33 wrote:The only rationale for masks and social distancing at this point is if hospitals get overwhelmed. But if they weren't overwhelmed last year with no vaccines and only 5% natural immunity, they're not going to get overwhelmed this year with 60% vaccination rate and 30% natural immunity.
What are you talking about!! Many hospitals and healthcare workers were overwhelmed last year...and those unvaccinated fools have begun overwhelming some hospitals again.
The good news is that recent numbers show that the unvaccinated are finally getting a clue and starting to get vaccinated.
nate33 wrote:Ruzious wrote:DCZards wrote:Yeah…but if the vaccinated folks are attending social gatherings and spreading the virus to other vaccinated people very few of them are likely to end up at home with a headache or bad fever.
It’s the knuckleheads who are refusing to get vaccinated for stupid a** reasons who are ending up hospitalized or dead…and forcing the rest of us to face another shutdown.
The unvaccinated include children - who have not made choices. Of course, there are enormous problems with the unvaccinated - including the crowding of hospitals here and all over the world - which lowers the quality of care for hospital patients in general and over-burdens hospital workers - also resulting in lower quality of care for hospital patients in general. Generally speaking, civilizations tend to frown on people unnecessarily suffering and dying from pandemics.
Fine. Then let's ban obesity. Fat people can't eat at restaurants anymore. Ban smoking too. How far down the road of medical tyranny do you want to take this?
We do actually have restrictions on where you can and can't smoke anyway.doclinkin wrote:nate33 wrote:Ruzious wrote:The unvaccinated include children - who have not made choices. Of course, there are enormous problems with the unvaccinated - including the crowding of hospitals here and all over the world - which lowers the quality of care for hospital patients in general and over-burdens hospital workers - also resulting in lower quality of care for hospital patients in general. Generally speaking, civilizations tend to frown on people unnecessarily suffering and dying from pandemics.
Fine. Then let's ban obesity. Fat people can't eat at restaurants anymore. Ban smoking too. How far down the road of medical tyranny do you want to take this?
You can't acccidentaly pass obesity to other people. You can't contract cigarette smoking through airborne particles. The road of medical tyranny should stop at, hmm, I guess most things short of a global pandemic. That said, kids are required to get MMR vaccines before they can attend public schools, so I'd suggest perhaps exactly that level of medical tyranny.