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Training Camp & Preseason 

Post#1 » by payitforward » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:08 pm

Our first preseason game is 3 weeks from today against the Houston Rockets. So... when does Training Camp begin? Anyone know?

What do we hope to learn from TC & preseason?
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Re: Training Camp & Preseason 

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payitforward wrote:Our first preseason game is 3 weeks from today against the Houston Rockets. So... when does Training Camp begin? Anyone know?

What do we hope to learn from TC & preseason?

Training camp starts Sept 28.
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Re: Training Camp & Preseason 

Post#3 » by SUPERBALLMAN » Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:49 pm

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payitforward wrote:Our first preseason game is 3 weeks from today against the Houston Rockets. So... when does Training Camp begin? Anyone know?

What do we hope to learn from TC & preseason?

Training camp starts Sept 28.



Training camp is only a week? Is that normal? Seems short, I would think it would be a couple weeks at least.

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Post#4 » by Frichuela » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:02 pm

ESPN just predicted that our 2020-21 season will be 36-46, 11th seed...missing the playin tournament.

I am certainly a homer, and probably I'm drinking too much kool aid ;-), but I would think IF Dinwiddie comes back close to his form in the 2019-20 season, we should hit 41 wins at the minimum. We have so much more depth than last year...and Scotty is gone!!!
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Re: Training Camp & Preseason 

Post#5 » by nate33 » Wed Sep 15, 2021 7:36 pm

Frichuela wrote:ESPN just predicted that our 2020-21 season will be 36-46, 11th seed...missing the playin tournament.

I am certainly a homer, and probably I'm drinking too much kool aid ;-), but I would think IF Dinwiddie comes back close to his form in the 2019-20 season, we should hit 41 wins at the minimum. We have so much more depth than last year...and Scotty is gone!!!

I'm really curious about how this will all turn out.

Is Westbrook an empty stats guy who doesn't help except as a floor raiser? Or is Westbrook still a legit superstar player and we will suffer when he is gone? The ESPN guys presumably assume the latter.

The OKC situation where Westbrook was swapped with Chris Paul suggests the former, but then, Chris Paul is also a very unusual player. Was the surprising win total of the OKC team "addition by subtraction" because of Westbrook's departure, or merely the addition of an all-time great point guard and winner?
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Wizardspride wrote:
payitforward wrote:Our first preseason game is 3 weeks from today against the Houston Rockets. So... when does Training Camp begin? Anyone know?

What do we hope to learn from TC & preseason?

Training camp starts Sept 28.



Training camp is only a week? Is that normal? Seems short, I would think it would be a couple weeks at least.

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Frichuela wrote:ESPN just predicted that our 2020-21 season will be 36-46, 11th seed...missing the playin tournament.

I am certainly a homer, and probably I'm drinking too much kool aid ;-), but I would think IF Dinwiddie comes back close to his form in the 2019-20 season, we should hit 41 wins at the minimum. We have so much more depth than last year...and Scotty is gone!!!

I'm really curious about how this will all turn out.

Is Westbrook an empty stats guy who doesn't help except as a floor raiser? Or is Westbrook still a legit superstar player and we will suffer when he is gone? The ESPN guys presumably assume the latter.

The OKC situation where Westbrook was swapped with Chris Paul suggests the former, but then, Chris Paul is also a very unusual player. Was the surprising win total of the OKC team "addition by subtraction" because of Westbrook's departure, or merely the addition of an all-time great point guard and winner?
He is a legit Superstar who is past his prime. However, once he got healthy he still had a very above average game.

His energy and pace will be an asset to the Lakers IF he stays healthy.
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Re: Training Camp & Preseason 

Post#8 » by payitforward » Wed Sep 15, 2021 11:07 pm

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Frichuela wrote:ESPN just predicted that our 2020-21 season will be 36-46, 11th seed...missing the playin tournament.

I am certainly a homer, and probably I'm drinking too much kool aid ;-), but I would think IF Dinwiddie comes back close to his form in the 2019-20 season, we should hit 41 wins at the minimum. We have so much more depth than last year...and Scotty is gone!!!

I'm really curious about how this will all turn out.

Is Westbrook an empty stats guy who doesn't help except as a floor raiser? Or is Westbrook still a legit superstar player and we will suffer when he is gone? The ESPN guys presumably assume the latter.

The OKC situation where Westbrook was swapped with Chris Paul suggests the former, but then, Chris Paul is also a very unusual player. Was the surprising win total of the OKC team "addition by subtraction" because of Westbrook's departure, or merely the addition of an all-time great point guard and winner?

No question we'll suffer from Westbrook being gone -- or, rather, we would suffer if we hadn't more or less re-made the roster!

7 of the players on our 15-man roster at the end of last year are gone. Plus, Mathews, who was a 2-way guy but played almost 1100 minutes, is also gone. Those guys played 8612 minutes. That is literally 1/2 our minutes from last year.

We have 7 players on the team who weren't Wizards last year (KCP, Harrell, Kuzma, Dinwiddie, Holiday, Kispert, & Todd). Plus, we get Bryant back. That's 8 different players. I would expect those guys to play more than half our minutes this year.

Plus, we only had Gafford for 1/3 of the season. He played 400 minutes. I would expect at least 1200 minutes from him this year.

If I'm not totally off on minutes, & if all our players produce at more or less their historical levels, we are a way way better team than we were last year. Something like 45 wins. Maybe more.

Of course, arithmetic only takes you so far. Let's see them do it....
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Post#9 » by doclinkin » Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:25 pm

Frichuela wrote:ESPN just predicted that our 2020-21 season will be 36-46, 11th seed...missing the playin tournament.

I am certainly a homer, and probably I'm drinking too much kool aid ;-), but I would think IF Dinwiddie comes back close to his form in the 2019-20 season, we should hit 41 wins at the minimum. We have so much more depth than last year...and Scotty is gone!!!


It's all on Coach Wes really. I could see it going either way. Chemistry-wise, I wish we had a stone cold winner on the court who could keep the team focused. The sort of player who does not get distracted. Brad has been known to pout on court, showing poor body language or fussing to the refs instead of sprinting back on defense. Spencer is vocal, but may have to grow into a leadership role and making the right read; a player shooting 30% from 3 has no business hoisting 6 of them per game. Trez is passionate but that can be distracting if not destructive if it is not focussed against the opponents. There may be a reason why he has skipped teams in a few short years, could be his locker room act grows tiresome. I can see us leading the league in bitching at the refs unless Wes' calm and serious mindset is heeded by all. Westbrook was a force here in that way, firing up a guy like Rui, highly competitive high effort. Who is the alpha wolf on this team? Interestingly Beal is the vet who has been in the league the longest. Maybe he takes that leadership role seriously. This is finally truly his team.

If all the chemistry works though, we have some interestingly complementary pieces. We have defense at key positions, shooting from any spot on the floor and any position on the roster, interior scoring, ball-handling attack to rack fouls. If our team play exceeds our raw talent then the high 40's in wins is not inconceivable. The East is stronger, yes, deeper too, few teams rely on a single star to carry them and we may be one with Beal taking shots at a high volume. But if Beal works on his own leadership game, making the pass, acting as decoy, etc, we have enough floor balance to be tough to guard. We are shallow in ball-handling and assist duties, so playmaking may have to come from schemes and teamwork at times.

It may take a while for chemistry to click and Wes to ID what works well. Line-ups, sets, plays, in bounds, end game--what works? Nobody has yet seen these guys together. They have to grow together. But we have smart experienced young veterans. In Beal, KCP and SD26 we have 9, 8, 7 years in the league, all 28 years old, our most experienced players will have the ball the most. Bertans and Neto have 5 and 6 years but overseas experience. Shoot, Deni won't be 21 til January but has been a pro since he was 16.

On average a player's prime years are 26-30. In Harrell, Kuzma, Holiday we are 27, 26, 25 years old. Players with talent and upside still untapped. Players who breakout tend to experience a bump in their 3rd year when the game starts to slow for them and they develop consistency in the abilities they've shown flashes of. Gafford and Hachimura are in this category with 2 years under their belts, but you could expect Bryant, Kuzma, and Holiday (4 years, 4 years, 3 years) each have had their growth stunted by injury / team circumstances / changing roles. Bryant was showing his breakout potential already when he went down. Kuzma has a dozen double doubles a year, a bakers dozen 30 pt games in his career, at least one 40-piece. Holiday is acknowledged as one of the better young defenders in the league, on and off the ball, has a handful of 20+ pt games or double doubles on good efficiency, posts high +/- numbers.

Growth is the key. But it takes time. If we click early, if Wes is a magician, for sure we could play better than .500 ball. For now though I think we are in discovery mode, learning who plays well with each other. What plays work. Our early games may look like a scrimmage as players are figuring each other out and trying to impress each other and the coaching staff. A bit wild, not crisp. Still these are overall smart players who seem to love the game with only a couple raw talents still figuring it out. There's a solid chance they find their rhythm and fairly swiftly the pack figures out how to hunt together, alpha wolf or no.
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Post#10 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:28 pm

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Frichuela wrote:ESPN just predicted that our 2020-21 season will be 36-46, 11th seed...missing the playin tournament.

I am certainly a homer, and probably I'm drinking too much kool aid ;-), but I would think IF Dinwiddie comes back close to his form in the 2019-20 season, we should hit 41 wins at the minimum. We have so much more depth than last year...and Scotty is gone!!!

I'm really curious about how this will all turn out.

Is Westbrook an empty stats guy who doesn't help except as a floor raiser? Or is Westbrook still a legit superstar player and we will suffer when he is gone? The ESPN guys presumably assume the latter.

The OKC situation where Westbrook was swapped with Chris Paul suggests the former, but then, Chris Paul is also a very unusual player. Was the surprising win total of the OKC team "addition by subtraction" because of Westbrook's departure, or merely the addition of an all-time great point guard and winner?

No question we'll suffer from Westbrook being gone -- or, rather, we would suffer if we hadn't more or less re-made the roster!

7 of the players on our 15-man roster at the end of last year are gone. Plus, Mathews, who was a 2-way guy but played almost 1100 minutes, is also gone. Those guys played 8612 minutes. That is literally 1/2 our minutes from last year.

We have 7 players on the team who weren't Wizards last year (KCP, Harrell, Kuzma, Dinwiddie, Holiday, Kispert, & Todd). Plus, we get Bryant back. That's 8 different players. I would expect those guys to play more than half our minutes this year.

Plus, we only had Gafford for 1/3 of the season. He played 400 minutes. I would expect at least 1200 minutes from him this year.

If I'm not totally off on minutes, & if all our players produce at more or less their historical levels, we are a way way better team than we were last year. Something like 45 wins. Maybe more.

Of course, arithmetic only takes you so far. Let's see them do it....

I think 43 games is a very reasonable prediction. It wouldn’t shock me if this team won 49 or 50 games. It would surprise me but it wouldn’t shock me.
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Post#11 » by Chocolate City Jordanaire » Thu Sep 16, 2021 1:31 pm

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Frichuela wrote:ESPN just predicted that our 2020-21 season will be 36-46, 11th seed...missing the playin tournament.

I am certainly a homer, and probably I'm drinking too much kool aid ;-), but I would think IF Dinwiddie comes back close to his form in the 2019-20 season, we should hit 41 wins at the minimum. We have so much more depth than last year...and Scotty is gone!!!


It's all on Coach Wes really. I could see it going either way. Chemistry-wise, I wish we had a stone cold winner on the court who could keep the team focused. The sort of player who does not get distracted. Brad has been known to pout on court, showing poor body language or fussing to the refs instead of sprinting back on defense. Spencer is vocal, but may have to grow into a leadership role and making the right read; a player shooting 30% from 3 has no business hoisting 6 of them per game. Trez is passionate but that can be distracting if not destructive if it is not focussed against the opponents. There may be a reason why he has skipped teams in a few short years, could be his locker room act grows tiresome. I can see us leading the league in bitching at the refs unless Wes' calm and serious mindset is heeded by all. Westbrook was a force here in that way, firing up a guy like Rui, highly competitive high effort. Who is the alpha wolf on this team? Interestingly Beal is the vet who has been in the league the longest. Maybe he takes that leadership role seriously. This is finally truly his team.

If all the chemistry works though, we have some interestingly complementary pieces. We have defense at key positions, shooting from any spot on the floor and any position on the roster, interior scoring, ball-handling attack to rack fouls. If our team play exceeds our raw talent then the high 40's in wins is not inconceivable. The East is stronger, yes, deeper too, few teams rely on a single star to carry them and we may be one with Beal taking shots at a high volume. But if Beal works on his own leadership game, making the pass, acting as decoy, etc, we have enough floor balance to be tough to guard. We are shallow in ball-handling and assist duties, so playmaking may have to come from schemes and teamwork at times.

It may take a while for chemistry to click and Wes to ID what works well. Line-ups, sets, plays, in bounds, end game--what works? Nobody has yet seen these guys together. They have to grow together. But we have smart experienced young veterans. In Beal, KCP and SD26 we have 9, 8, 7 years in the league, all 28 years old, our most experienced players will have the ball the most. Bertans and Neto have 5 and 6 years but overseas experience. Shoot, Deni won't be 21 til January but has been a pro since he was 16.

On average a player's prime years are 26-30. In Harrell, Kuzma, Holiday we are 27, 26, 25 years old. Players with talent and upside still untapped. Players who breakout tend to experience a bump in their 3rd year when the game starts to slow for them and they develop consistency in the abilities they've shown flashes of. Gafford and Hachimura are in this category with 2 years under their belts, but you could expect Bryant, Kuzma, and Holiday (4 years, 4 years, 3 years) each have had their growth stunted by injury / team circumstances / changing roles. Bryant was showing his breakout potential already when he went down. Kuzma has a dozen double doubles a year, a bakers dozen 30 pt games in his career, at least one 40-piece. Holiday is acknowledged as one of the better young defenders in the league, on and off the ball, has a handful of 20+ pt games or double doubles on good efficiency, posts high +/- numbers.

Growth is the key. But it takes time. If we click early, if Wes is a magician, for sure we could play better than .500 ball. For now though I think we are in discovery mode, learning who plays well with each other. What plays work. Our early games may look like a scrimmage as players are figuring each other out and trying to impress each other and the coaching staff. A bit wild, not crisp. Still these are overall smart players who seem to love the game with only a couple raw talents still figuring it out. There's a solid chance they find their rhythm and fairly swiftly the pack figures out how to hunt together.


It truly is on Coach Wesley Junior.

If he can get teammates to be both accountable and professional and supportive to the point they make each other better; then this team is going to synergistically produce in the win column.

If he is myopic like the previous coach and if he plays favorites or if he just does not recognize boundaries strengths weaknesses and how to motivate, then this team might only win 20 something games. Worst case scenario would be a backbiting group of guys in it for themselves who do not respect the neophyte coach. Nepotism could be part of how he got the job.
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