Official Trade Thread - Part XLII

[Frichuela]

Following the news that Derrick Jones Jr of the Bulls is expected to miss up to 6 weeks with a knee injury, it's likely the Bulls are going to be desperate for a trade to beef up their depleted front court.

If we want to keep Kuzma, how about a Harrell+Rui for D Jones Jr+Coby White + POR 2022 1st (Lottery protected). This should be followed by trading Neto somewhere (Cleveland?) for a bag of peanuts..

The Bulls get two players to boost their front court and the Wiz get a reliable third guard who is a 3 pt sniper + POR 1st.

[NatP4]

I’m like 99% sure that Beal actually thinks he’s a superstar worth 50 million. He also probably thinks that we are one Rui or Deni leap away from contending or something. He’s all over the place. Beginning of the year this was “finally the roster I’ve been waiting for” then we lose a few games and 2 weeks later he’s all cryptic talking about free agency again.

Whatever Sheppard does with Beal will reveal whether or not we are a franchise that has the goal of building a championship contender, or simply having a feel good team that wins 45 games and loses in round 2.

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Can someone explain how Grant is THAT much better of a player/asset than Kuz?....

That's easy. He's not "THAT much better." In fact, he's not better at all.

What Grant has over Kuzma is that a couple of years earlier in his career (his last 2 w/ OKC) were better than any of Kuzma's 5 years. So what? That's a long time ago.

Age: Kuz is 1.5 years younger than Grant
Contract: Kuz makes the same amount (40M), but with an additional year. Grant makes 50% more annually!...

Age isn't particularly relevant in this comparison, but salary sure is. Above all, b/c we have control over Kuzma for an extra year.

Skill set/archetype: Both versatile wings that are a bit of Jack of all Trades

Stats: Both have a TS of ~54% and similar AST:TOV ratio. Grant gathers more STOCKS, while Kuz rebounds at almost double the rate.

Now, I'd give the nod to Grant due to his increased usage...but is he really that much more valuable than Kuz?

Actually, both guys play the 4 not the 3 if that's relevant. Kuzma's numbers are FAR better overall than Grant's.

Grant's higher usage hurts his case. The 5.3 extra points he produces per 40 minutes come by his taking up 5.5 more possessions. That doesn't help; it hurts. Now... maybe his scoring efficiency would go up if his usage went down. Maybe he'd move his TS% up to equal Kuzma's if he shot less.

But in that case -- if they were equally productive scorers -- why would you want Grant? Kuzma rebounds; Grant doesn't. The slightly higher # of blocks Grant records sure don't make up for Kyle getting literally twice as many defensive boards as Grant!

Grant for Kuzma makes us worse. Grant for Deni makes us worse. Basically, Grant would make us worse, period.

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I think the guy to target is Fox. ...

I disagree totally. Fox had a couple of good years, early on. He's become a useless chucker.

They need a guy who can break down a D and get to the cup....

Fox's 2-point % is his only positive stat -- it's not positive enough.

Imagine Gafford with Fox. Lob City. A la last year w/ ‘brook. He’d get a few extra points a game. ...

No. He wouldn't. Fox posts about 1/2 as many assists as Westbrook. He's a terrible point guard.

The shooting would improve, thanks to better spacing. A good thing for Bertans, Kispert, Deni, and KCP. Who aren’t bad shooters — they just need more room to get shots off. ...

Whose shooting is he improving on the Kings? This is all in your head, my friend.

By the way, Deni haters/skeptics/haven’tseenthelight-ers: (our) best first quarter and fourth quarter lineups include Deni. And he hasn’t even scratched the surface of who he is as a player.

In this case, on the other hand, you are absolutely correct.

[payitforward]

The biggest thing that should dissuade us from Grant who is already overrated is that team like Chicago and New York have interest. After their destruction at home versus the Nets last night, Bulls will likely go after a wing that can have a chance at defending the likes of Durant and Giannis. Last thing we should get into is a bidding war for I player that was great as a bench player on a reasonable contract but not so much anymore.

Agree 100000% & that's the perfect way to characterize him. He has "stay away" written all over him.

[deneem4]

Kuzma should not be traded, at that salary and production, he earned his status as a key part, now with the rest of our guys coming back we can actually evaluate the team based on performance…
Harrell also shouldn’t be traded unless it’s a large top tier deal….
We actually have a deep team that brings different approaches at the wings, it’s up to Beal and dimwiddie now…
Knicks just got cam for basically nothing, we should do a deal like that for a promising guard

[nate33]

Kuzma should not be traded, at that salary and production, he earned his status as a key part, now with the rest of our guys coming back we can actually evaluate the team based on performance…
Harrell also shouldn’t be traded unless it’s a large top tier deal….
We actually have a deep team that brings different approaches at the wings, it’s up to Beal and dimwiddie now…
Knicks just got cam for basically nothing, we should do a deal like that for a promising guard

We cannot keep both Harrell and Bryant next year. One of them WILL be gone. We need to figure out which one will stay and trade the other rather than lose him for nothing.

[Ruzious]

Following the news that Derrick Jones Jr of the Bulls is expected to miss up to 6 weeks with a knee injury, it's likely the Bulls are going to be desperate for a trade to beef up their depleted front court.

If we want to keep Kuzma, how about a Harrell+Rui for D Jones Jr+Coby White + POR 2022 1st (Lottery protected). This should be followed by trading Neto somewhere (Cleveland?) for a bag of peanuts..

The Bulls get two players to boost their front court and the Wiz get a reliable third guard who is a 3 pt sniper + POR 1st.

Wow, they are desperate for forwards. I might try to get them to take Bertans for Jones and White. Fleece their arses.

That Portland pick might not convey for a while. It's top 14 protected for several year - and then turns into 2nd rounders. Portland's not good. If we trade them Rui, I want Patrick Williams.

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[pcbothwel]

Following the news that Derrick Jones Jr of the Bulls is expected to miss up to 6 weeks with a knee injury, it's likely the Bulls are going to be desperate for a trade to beef up their depleted front court.

If we want to keep Kuzma, how about a Harrell+Rui for D Jones Jr+Coby White + POR 2022 1st (Lottery protected). This should be followed by trading Neto somewhere (Cleveland?) for a bag of peanuts..

The Bulls get two players to boost their front court and the Wiz get a reliable third guard who is a 3 pt sniper + POR 1st.

Wow, they are desperate for forwards. I might try to get them to take Bertans for Jones and White. Fleece their arses.

That Portland pick might not convey for a while. It's top 14 protected for several year - and then turns into 2nd rounders. Portland's not good. If we trade them Rui, I want Patrick Williams.

Call me crazy, but if Im the Bulls Im looking to use Vuc, prospects (White and Williams), and expirings(Jones and TBJ) to garner enough assets to get Simmons.

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Derozan
Simmons

[Ruzious]

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I'm surprised at how poorly Bogdanovic has played for them this season. Can we get him for Bertans and Neto? Nah, but might as well ask.

With Collins supposedly unhappy there, I guess we could try to take advantage of that situation - Beal and Rui for Collins, Hunter, and Huerter. And try to get that restricted FRP Atl got in the Reddish trade. And then we'd have to trade Kuz and Trez.

[deneem4]

Kuzma should not be traded, at that salary and production, he earned his status as a key part, now with the rest of our guys coming back we can actually evaluate the team based on performance…
Harrell also shouldn’t be traded unless it’s a large top tier deal….
We actually have a deep team that brings different approaches at the wings, it’s up to Beal and dimwiddie now…
Knicks just got cam for basically nothing, we should do a deal like that for a promising guard

We cannot keep both Harrell and Bryant next year. One of them WILL be gone. We need to figure out which one will stay and trade the other rather than lose him for nothing.

We can worry about that after the playoffs

[keynote]

I don't think he is necessarily wrong in the assumption. My problem isn't that he is taking on the small risk that Beal leaves. My problem is that he is seriously considering paying Beal $225M over 5 years. That absolutely puts a cap on the success of this franchise. With that much money devoted to Beal, and with no chance of tanking, it will be completely impossible to add a player who is as good or better than him. And if Beal is your best player, you are no better than a 45-win team, and that might be optimistic.

I hear you, and share your frustration. My guess is that two recent examples are encouraging GMs with a single mid-tier star to stay the course: Phoenix and Chicago.

Phoenix was looking fairly treadmill before the CP3 trade. They had Booker, who wasn't elite, plus two solid draft moves (Ayton, and trading to pick Bridges). They went on a run in the bubble, then went all in for CP3. Now they're in year two of their window as a contender.

Chicago had Lavine and precious little else. Uninspired draft picks (Markkanen, White). They cashed in their future draft capital to bring in Vucevic -- and still missied the play-in tourney (although injuries contributed). They then leveraged their cap space to bring in a bunch of guys, including an arguable overpay for DeRozan. And now they're in a contender window themselves, and should be buyers at this deadline.

Beal isn't going to lead a team to a championship by himself. But they have an abundence of adequate rotation players and, if we can give the right sweetener to OKC, some future draft capital to play with. If we trade Beal for trade capital: if we draft well, we might end up with a player as good as...Beal. If we're savants and/or incredibly lucky, we can land someone better -- but there's no guarantee, and a numbers of ways that could go wrong. In the interim, we'd be trotting out a miserable on-court product.

I'm not saying that I fully agree with this framing. But I can understand why Shep would look at Phoenix and Chicago, and think "why not us?"

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Yep. A secondary benefit of any Beal trade would be that we jettison Mayo as a throw-in to the deal.

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I'm glad Beal has a mouthpiece in the media. I mean, why not? We all enjoy the palace intrigue -- at least, based on the time we spend parsing it, anyway.

I don't even care that Mayo gets stuff wrong from time to time. Who else is bothering to push Wizards-related rumors with the veneer of authenticity? Content is king.

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I'm glad Beal has a mouthpiece in the media. I mean, why not? We all enjoy the palace intrigue -- at least, based on the time we spend parsing it, anyway.

I don't even care that Mayo gets stuff wrong from time to time. Who else is bothering to push Wizards-related rumors with the veneer of authenticity? Content is king.

He talks trade deadline at 25 min

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[nate33]

Kuzma should not be traded, at that salary and production, he earned his status as a key part, now with the rest of our guys coming back we can actually evaluate the team based on performance…
Harrell also shouldn’t be traded unless it’s a large top tier deal….
We actually have a deep team that brings different approaches at the wings, it’s up to Beal and dimwiddie now…
Knicks just got cam for basically nothing, we should do a deal like that for a promising guard

We cannot keep both Harrell and Bryant next year. One of them WILL be gone. We need to figure out which one will stay and trade the other rather than lose him for nothing.

We can worry about that after the playoffs

After the playoffs, both guys are unrestricted free agents and have no trade value.

[penbeast0]

We cannot keep both Harrell and Bryant next year. One of them WILL be gone. We need to figure out which one will stay and trade the other rather than lose him for nothing.

We can worry about that after the playoffs

After the playoffs, both guys are unrestricted free agents and have no trade value.

The problem is neither has any trade value now; they are just matching contracts. And, they are both among the top 5 most productive players on the team (assuming Bryant returns to what he was before the injury). I'd resign them both if it could be done reasonably then work out the details.

[gambitx777]

I absolutely hate the idea of trading Kispert , deni or Rui TBH. Kispert has by the numbers bee one if the better rookies this year. Deni has advanced so much you wanna Ben Simmons but people are willing to trade deni a similar type of player for grant of all people .... And Rui I'm still not giving up on tbh, Unless it's specifically bertans and Rui for grant no picks or anything. I know some may say that's stupid but that's what I'd hold firm at and let them trade him else where if they want.

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