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80sballboy wrote:https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine/
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility/?SeasonYear=2022-23
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/?SeasonYear=2022-23
Rafael122 wrote:nate33 wrote:Rafael122 wrote:Going to ride the Sochan train:
https://www.tankathon.com/players/jeremy-sochan
https://www.tankathon.com/players/herbert-jones
Herb Jones will probably be a 1st or 2nd team All Rookie and he's got a great shot at being on the all defensive team. If you're saying we have the potential to get a Jones/Barnes hybrid at 10, where do I sign up? The advantage Jones had over Sochan is that Jones was essentially a 3 year starter and was able to develop more. Sochan doesn't have that luxury but then again he's 3 years younger than Jones was coming into this draft. I'm not going to destroy Sochan for his lack of shooting ability just yet considering he'll be 19 when he's drafted.
Comparing Sochan to Barnes is a stretch. Barnes is a legit lead ball-handler. He can play point guard on offense and run pick and roll. Sochan is merely a good ball handler for his size. He can handle well enough to push the ball on a defensive rebound or attack a close out, but it's not like he has guard handles.
Sochan is more of an Aaron Gordon/OG Anunoby type of player than he is a Scotty Barnes.
But Nate, you mean to tell me wouldn't take an Aaron Gordon lite/OG lite at 10? Hopefully he's at the combine, I'd really interested to see what his combine stats are.
FAH1223 wrote:
Draft Express is posting the measurements out this afternoon right now!
nate33 wrote:80sballboy wrote:https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine/
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-strength-agility/?SeasonYear=2022-23
https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro/?SeasonYear=2022-23
Man, Agbaji is athletic as hell.
10.77 lane agility
3.13 3/4 sprint
32-inch standing vertical
39-inch max vertical
Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:I like this guy a lot also. Trevion Williams is a player I noticed last season as well. His college coach did not utilize them well enough in terms of minutes and I think he's going to surprise at the next leveldoclinkin wrote:payitforward wrote:Question: What do you do if...
It's draft day & OKC calls w/ a proposed trade: for our #10 they will give us #15 & #30
1. take it?
2. ask them to add something from their side? If so, what...?
3. ask them to add something from their side, & we add the #55 pick we have from Dallas. If so, what do they add?
They also have the #34 pick, btw -- in case you'd like to modify the trade to add elements.
If we are looking at like Mathurin or Sochan at our pick or whatnot, I'd happily drop back, especially if I could get some sweetener. If I came away with Mark Williams and SomethingSomething (Oscar Tshiebwe?) and Isiaih Mosely, I'd be happy with the draft.
If no on Mark Williams, with a late pick I'm intrigued with sweet passing big Trevion Williams if he can last to our pick.
He has a Draymond flavor to his passing, able to direct traffic from the high post. Old school, he can play with his back to the basket and bang to draw attention then feed the cutter with a nifty quick hit pass. Some of his passes are positively Unseldian. He can throw a full court inbounds pass, or a one handed full court outlet pass off a rebound to the mitts of the attacker for a dunk.. Just heads up smart old school play that makes my eyes happy.
80sballboy wrote:Quinton Mayo gave a 70% chance that they would make a deal to trade down. I'm not saying the kid is always right, but he does hustle and has his contacts. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they would trade down in a fairly deep draft, esp. if they can get two later first-rounders and take a shot on a point guard.
I also listened to Matt Modderno's podcast today (Bleav in Wizards). Thought he brought up a good point about Bennedict Mathurin. That Tommy Lloyd was a long-time Mark Few assistant coach and was head man of Arizona this season. Of course, we know how tight Shep is with Few. Doesn't mean he'll be there and doubtful he'll be there if they trade down (Charlotte? Memphis?).
80sballboy wrote:Quinton Mayo gave a 70% chance that they would make a deal to trade down. I'm not saying the kid is always right, but he does hustle and has his contacts. It's not out of the realm of possibility that they would trade down in a fairly deep draft, esp. if they can get two later first-rounders and take a shot on a point guard.
I also listened to Matt Modderno's podcast today (Bleav in Wizards). Thought he brought up a good point about Bennedict Mathurin. That Tommy Lloyd was a long-time Mark Few assistant coach and was head man of Arizona this season. Of course, we know how tight Shep is with Few. Doesn't mean he'll be there and doubtful he'll be there if they trade down (Charlotte? Memphis?).
Dat2U wrote:I think Sochan has a very good shot of being the pick regardless of who's there. I would also look out for his teammate Kendall Brown & Marjon Beauchamp as well.
My take on Sochan. Projects as a +plus defender, potentially switchable 1-5. A non-shooter with solid handle for a 6-9 guy but the handle would be neutralized in half court sets. Don't see him as a playmaker. He's more of a high energy guy with finishing skill who you hope makes enough shots to make teams pay for sagging off.
I see NBA utility as a Thybulle type. Could have a long career as a 7th/8th man on a team surrounded by shooters. Not my choice. Not the worse one either.
Dat2U wrote:I think Sochan has a very good shot of being the pick regardless of who's there. I would also look out for his teammate Kendall Brown & Marjon Beauchamp as well.
My take on Sochan. Projects as a +plus defender, potentially switchable 1-5. A non-shooter with solid handle for a 6-9 guy but the handle would be neutralized in half court sets. Don't see him as a playmaker. He's more of a high energy guy with finishing skill who you hope makes enough shots to make teams pay for sagging off.
I see NBA utility as a Thybulle type. Could have a long career as a 7th/8th man on a team surrounded by shooters. Not my choice. Not the worse one either.
gambitx777 wrote:I think a SA trade back would be great 10, cash and todd for 20,25,38
Chandler at 20
Huston at 25
And best shooter available at 38
pcbothwel wrote:Dat2U wrote:I think Sochan has a very good shot of being the pick regardless of who's there. I would also look out for his teammate Kendall Brown & Marjon Beauchamp as well.
My take on Sochan. Projects as a +plus defender, potentially switchable 1-5. A non-shooter with solid handle for a 6-9 guy but the handle would be neutralized in half court sets. Don't see him as a playmaker. He's more of a high energy guy with finishing skill who you hope makes enough shots to make teams pay for sagging off.
I see NBA utility as a Thybulle type. Could have a long career as a 7th/8th man on a team surrounded by shooters. Not my choice. Not the worse one either.
Sochan projects to be MUCH better than Tybulle offensively. He actually reminds me of Kuzma offensively. Not vertically explosive, but a smooth ball handler that can finish really well with either hand. I know his shooting is suspect, but its all balance and form which can be taught. You cant really teach "Touch", and Sochan has that.
Like Kuz, he has no issue taking bigs on the perimeter or overpowering smaller wings. While not elite iso scorers, they both have no issue getting their own shot because of their size and skill.
Sochan's ceiling will always be deemed lower because of his usage and lack of rim protection, but his spatial awareness and IQ are tremendous at his age.
I see a Kuzma/Chris Webber/Thad Young/Horford type player that can guard almost anyone, rebound, communicate on defense, make the right pass, and create for himself. I would only take Eason, Daniels, and Sochan are the guys I have honed in on at 10.
PS. Mark Williams would be too if we moved Gafford for a later 1st.
Well considering you can just buy seconds most of the time. 1.5-3 mill plus Todd is probably worth a second. I view that as more of a house keeping thing. Gets Todd, with 4 picks to use in the draft and idealisticly we would use all 4 lol .payitforward wrote:gambitx777 wrote:I think a SA trade back would be great 10, cash and todd for 20,25,38
Chandler at 20
Huston at 25
And best shooter available at 38
Glad to see support for this idea, which I expressed a couple of weeks ago.
I don't think cash would be relevant, & I doubt they'd want Todd. We could give our #56? Or the R2 pick OKC owes us in '24?
If there were a way to get Kuzma going out & Tre Jones coming back... that would make it all world great for us!
Dat2U wrote:I think Sochan has a very good shot of being the pick regardless of who's there. I would also look out for his teammate Kendall Brown & Marjon Beauchamp as well.
My take on Sochan. Projects as a +plus defender, potentially switchable 1-5. A non-shooter with solid handle for a 6-9 guy but the handle would be neutralized in half court sets. Don't see him as a playmaker. He's more of a high energy guy with finishing skill who you hope makes enough shots to make teams pay for sagging off.
I see NBA utility as a Thybulle type. Could have a long career as a 7th/8th man on a team surrounded by shooters. Not my choice. Not the worse one either.
