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GT #65: Bullets @ LA Lakers 10:30 PM (NBA TV / NBCSW / 980 AM) [3/11/22]

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Re: GT #65: Bullets @ LA Lakers 10:30 PM (NBA TV / NBCSW / 980 AM) [3/11/22] 

Post#101 » by prime1time » Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:17 pm

TGW wrote:This feels very much like the Grunfeld years. The team still reeks of desperation and has a bottom-tier aura. There are no young stars...just hope that maybe one day the recent draft picks can contribute to a winning team. Management still looks clueless. There is no plan or direction other than "8th seed or bust" every year.

If Grunfeld was still the GM, people would be calling for his head. I don't see why his flunky is getting the benefit of the doubt.

I know we should tear him a new one for finding Kyle Kuzma. Bringing in Porzingis. Getting off of Wall's contract. Drafting a player in Hachimura who's turned into a 3-point shooting marksman. Drafting Corey Kispert who looks like a lock for 15 year career. Even if you stack up his mistakes vs. his losses Sheppard comes out on top. Beal is injured, Porzingis is on minutes restrictions and we can't beat a motivated Lakers team coming off an embarrassing loss to the Rockets. You do realize that losses aren't a bad thing right?

As far as 8th seed or bust "every year." This isn't even based on reality. We have no idea how Porzingis and Beal will fair together. In addition since January Kuzma is averaging 21/9/4. And his last several games he's shown the ability to play make and create for others. Kuzma, Beal, Porzingis, Rui, Kispert, KCP, Gafford + our 1st round draft pick, an improved Deni Avdija and a solid pg. That sounds like an 8th seed or bust? No. It doesn't. Now is it going to beat a healthy Nets in a 7 game series? Probably not. But let's at least be honest. That has the makings of the best team that we've had in years.

Complain all you want, but unless you have a way to bring a superstar player to DC the chances of building a significantly better team is slim to none. And here's another truth. Tearing a team down doesn't guarantee that we get a superstar player. That's why we have been where we've been for the last 40+ years. Sheppard has done a GREAT job given what he was working with.
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Re: GT #65: Bullets @ LA Lakers 10:30 PM (NBA TV / NBCSW / 980 AM) [3/11/22] 

Post#102 » by TGW » Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:22 pm

nate33 wrote:It's because the "8th seed or bust" philosophy comes from Ted, not Sheppard.


and you know this how? Again, the flunky is being afforded the benefit of the doubt, when he doesn't deserve it. At no point have I seen any report of this being true.
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Re: GT #65: Bullets @ LA Lakers 10:30 PM (NBA TV / NBCSW / 980 AM) [3/11/22] 

Post#103 » by TGW » Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:27 pm

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TGW wrote:This feels very much like the Grunfeld years. The team still reeks of desperation and has a bottom-tier aura. There are no young stars...just hope that maybe one day the recent draft picks can contribute to a winning team. Management still looks clueless. There is no plan or direction other than "8th seed or bust" every year.

If Grunfeld was still the GM, people would be calling for his head. I don't see why his flunky is getting the benefit of the doubt.

I know we should tear him a new one for finding Kyle Kuzma. Bringing in Porzingis. Getting off of Wall's contract. Drafting a player in Hachimura who's turned into a 3-point shooting marksman. Drafting Corey Kispert who looks like a lock for 15 year career. Even if you stack up his mistakes vs. his losses Sheppard comes out on top. Beal is injured, Porzingis is on minutes restrictions and we can't beat a motivated Lakers team coming off an embarrassing loss to the Rockets. You do realize that losses aren't a bad thing right?

As far as 8th seed or bust "every year." This isn't even based on reality. We have no idea how Porzingis and Beal will fair together. In addition since January Kuzma is averaging 21/9/4. And his last several games he's shown the ability to play make and create for others. Kuzma, Beal, Porzingis, Rui, Kispert, KCP, Gafford + our 1st round draft pick, an improved Deni Avdija and a solid pg. That sounds like an 8th seed or bust? No. It doesn't. Now is it going to beat a healthy Nets in a 7 game series? Probably not. But let's at least be honest. That has the makings of the best team that we've had in years.

Complain all you want, but unless you have a way to bring a superstar player to DC the chances of building a significantly better team is slim to none. And here's another truth. Tearing a team down doesn't guarantee that we get a superstar player. That's why we have been where we've been for the last 40+ years. Sheppard has done a GREAT job given what he was working with.


1. Kuzma is a bench player on an actual winning team.
2. He "got off Wall's contract." And? He replaced Wall's contract with another bloated trash contract so how is that a win lol.
3. We know nothing about Porzingis and how he'll fair in DC. He was just traded for trash so we know what his value is around the league.
4. The team hasn't sniffed success and we're in year three of the flunkie's tenure.

Sheppard has done a great job...wow. The delusion in some members of this fanbase is cringeworthy.
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Re: GT #65: Bullets @ LA Lakers 10:30 PM (NBA TV / NBCSW / 980 AM) [3/11/22] 

Post#104 » by doclinkin » Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:49 pm

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TGW wrote:This feels very much like the Grunfeld years. The team still reeks of desperation and has a bottom-tier aura. There are no young stars...just hope that maybe one day the recent draft picks can contribute to a winning team. Management still looks clueless. There is no plan or direction other than "8th seed or bust" every year.

If Grunfeld was still the GM, people would be calling for his head. I don't see why his flunky is getting the benefit of the doubt.

I know we should tear him a new one for finding Kyle Kuzma. Bringing in Porzingis. Getting off of Wall's contract. Drafting a player in Hachimura who's turned into a 3-point shooting marksman. Drafting Corey Kispert who looks like a lock for 15 year career. Even if you stack up his mistakes vs. his losses Sheppard comes out on top. Beal is injured, Porzingis is on minutes restrictions and we can't beat a motivated Lakers team coming off an embarrassing loss to the Rockets. You do realize that losses aren't a bad thing right?

As far as 8th seed or bust "every year." This isn't even based on reality. We have no idea how Porzingis and Beal will fair together. In addition since January Kuzma is averaging 21/9/4. And his last several games he's shown the ability to play make and create for others. Kuzma, Beal, Porzingis, Rui, Kispert, KCP, Gafford + our 1st round draft pick, an improved Deni Avdija and a solid pg. That sounds like an 8th seed or bust? No. It doesn't. Now is it going to beat a healthy Nets in a 7 game series? Probably not. But let's at least be honest. That has the makings of the best team that we've had in years.

Complain all you want, but unless you have a way to bring a superstar player to DC the chances of building a significantly better team is slim to none. And here's another truth. Tearing a team down doesn't guarantee that we get a superstar player. That's why we have been where we've been for the last 40+ years. Sheppard has done a GREAT job given what he was working with.


Nothing like Grunfeld inasmuch as every year and every offseason Sheppard has totally shuffled the deck on what we have. Overall we have gotten younger and picked up future assets. Grunfeld rode each roster until the wheels fell off. To fix it he brought in late career vets on expiring contracts, hoping to cash in on their motivation to cash in. He traded away 2nd round picks for a player named Cash Considerations who never made it off the bench.

The results may be similar but the methodology is different. Tommy has managed some insane deals that nobody else would even try (5 way team deals noted as one of the most complex ever). Ernie would just pull off some halfassed work and then go on vacation, only really trying anything significant when his own contract was expiring. Tommy's deals may not have come to anything (yet?) but long term they have a better chance of working eventually than Ernie's save-his-a55 moves. Both have to operate under Ted's "Never Tank, Ever" edict though, which means that yeah the team scrapes for the 9th seed every year. Which now that it is an actual thing, not merely an ironic witticism, means we fight for the 10th seed. Still, no one can say Tommy has folded his cards and done nothing. Even when it seemed like it was going to be impossible to do anything, Tommy has managed to wipe the whiteboard and re-ink the roster radically.

If it is going to work then a little bit of time to build chemistry might help. Plus: first year new coach. All of which is why fans are somewhat more willing to be patient.

Personally I like this team. The talent level might not be there, or maybe the experience is lacking, but the way the team plays is entertaining to watch. The ball moves crisply to the right player (even if he misses the shot). On defense nobody is standing around watching. On offense players make cuts to get open. Watching the squad, it seems like the team should be better than their record. But. They're not. The hell can you do.
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Re: GT #65: Bullets @ LA Lakers 10:30 PM (NBA TV / NBCSW / 980 AM) [3/11/22] 

Post#105 » by nate33 » Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:57 pm

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nate33 wrote:It's because the "8th seed or bust" philosophy comes from Ted, not Sheppard.


and you know this how? Again, the flunky is being afforded the benefit of the doubt, when he doesn't deserve it. At no point have I seen any report of this being true.

Because Ted has consistently reaffirmed his intent to make the playoffs every time he is asked, and he has reaffirmed his commitment to Beal every time he is asked.

We have real world evidence that Sheppard has behaved differently than EG because Sheppard has avoided traded away a future pick despite tremendous pressure to do so, (well, except for the Wall trade, but that was clearly at the behest of Ted for "character" reasons. And Sheppard got that pick back.) EG traded away 1st round picks for veterans seemingly every other year (for Jamison, for Miller, for Gortat, for Morris).
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Re: GT #65: Bullets @ LA Lakers 10:30 PM (NBA TV / NBCSW / 980 AM) [3/11/22] 

Post#106 » by Ruzious » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:18 pm

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Frichuela wrote:The most depressing thought is that we are set to pick in the 10-12 spot in the draft, where we know Tommy is gonna pick another uninspiring and unathletic good character kid…


100% This^, when draft time comes around, Tommy will take the most beta finesse player he can take.

Another bizarre take. Kispert and Rui looked great. So how does it make sense to utilize this as a game to criticize how Sheppard drafts? I know Rui sucks and eventually he will stop with the charade and come down to earth. Well until then, I will talk about how he's playing. This is the best season of his career. A per of 15.76. In his last 5 games he's shooting 55.6% from the field and 50% from 3. To show how lost this board is people are talking about Avdija not getting more minutes. How bizarre. If anyone should have a gripe about minutes it's Rui. He's playing the best season of his career, done precisely what the team asked him to do (improve his 3-point shooting) and seen his minutes fall from 31 minutes last year to 19.4 minutes this year.

Kispert and Rui both look like legit NBA players. The only knock you could possibly make on Sheppard is that he didn't draft an all-star lock. Which isn't even a real knock. You act like Sheppard drafted Jarret Culver or Killian Hayes. If our young players take another step forward next year and we can stay healthy. This time could be very respectable. Not to mention if we somehow strike gold and get a top 3 pick. So relax take a chill pill. The sky isn't falling.

Heck, Rui's shooting 50.8% from 3 for the season - with much higher attempts than he's ever shot in the past. This from a guy who made about 30% in his first 2 seasons. He's got his TS% up to 59.0. There's no doubt he can score in the NBA in several different ways. Kispert provides outside shooting and cuts to the hoop. Deni's established himself defensively; if we can just see progress offensively the rest of the season, we'll have something to build on - and can comfortably trade Kuzma - hopefully for a relatively young PG who can play with Beal instead of bitcoins.
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Re: GT #65: Bullets @ LA Lakers 10:30 PM (NBA TV / NBCSW / 980 AM) [3/11/22] 

Post#107 » by DCZards » Sat Mar 12, 2022 8:36 pm

nate33 wrote:Because Ted has consistently reaffirmed his intent to make the playoffs every time he is asked, and he has reaffirmed his commitment to Beal every time he is asked.

We have real world evidence that Sheppard has behaved differently than EG because Sheppard has avoided traded away a future pick despite tremendous pressure to do so, (well, except for the Wall trade, but that was clearly at the behest of Ted for "character" reasons. And Sheppard got that pick back.) EG traded away 1st round picks for veterans seemingly every other year (for Jamison, for Miller, for Gortat, for Morris).

What would you expect Ted to say? Of course he wants to make the playoffs...and so do many (if not most) Zards fans. What does not making the playoffs achieve...a 10th or 12th pick rather than the 15th or 16th pick?

You're either tanking for a top 3-5 pick or you're trying to win games and develop a winning culture—and make the playoffs and give your young guys a chance to play under the bright lights.

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