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NatP4 wrote:I like Kuzma+Barton+Todd for Simmons. Let him come back whenever he’s ready. He’s an impact player and a great fit with this roster. You pretty much just don’t play him too much with guys like Gafford and Avdija. Play him in lineups with 4 shooters and let him do his thing.

Collins is good, but probably would cost future picks. Simmons could be had for just a salary dump I bet and is a better fit.

I don't understand the motivation of Brooklyn trying to dump Simmons right now.

There are 3 options for Brooklyn:

1. Trade Durant and Kyrie for picks/prospect and rebuild. In that scenario, they would keep Simmons as part of the rebuild, or at least take the time to try and rehab his value. There's no value in selling low on him.

2. Trade Durant and Kyrie for win now stars in an effort to stay relevant, since tanking doesn't help them all that much because their picks are all gone. In this scenario, they would keep Simmons and rehab his value.

3. Ignore Durant's trade request. Keep Kyrie and try and win. This is really the only scenario where they might trade Simmons for more reliable but less talented role players. But this is by far the least likely scenario at the moment. If anything, the Durant trade request just nuked the opportunity to acquire Simmons on the cheap.

nate33 wrote:

NatP4 wrote:I like Kuzma+Barton+Todd for Simmons. Let him come back whenever he’s ready. He’s an impact player and a great fit with this roster. You pretty much just don’t play him too much with guys like Gafford and Avdija. Play him in lineups with 4 shooters and let him do his thing.

Collins is good, but probably would cost future picks. Simmons could be had for just a salary dump I bet and is a better fit.

I don't understand the motivation of Brooklyn trying to dump Simmons right now.

There are 3 options for Brooklyn:

1. Trade Durant and Kyrie for picks/prospect and rebuild. In that scenario, they would keep Simmons as part of the rebuild, or at least take the time to try and rehab his value. There's no value in selling low on him.

2. Trade Durant and Kyrie for win now stars in an effort to stay relevant, since tanking doesn't help them all that much because their picks are all gone. In this scenario, they would keep Simmons and rehab his value.

3. Ignore Durant's trade request. Keep Kyrie and try and win. This is really the only scenario where they might trade Simmons for more reliable but less talented role players. But this is by far the least likely scenario at the moment. If anything, the Durant trade request just nuked the opportunity to acquire Simmons on the cheap.

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Not a trade but I'd definitely look into signing Roby and cutting Todd.

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It's really not surprising that Durant would tie his future to a flake like Irving.

Posted this on the trade board as a consolidation trade. Don't know if Turd would trade away his marketing ace in Japan, but this allows for more PT for Kispert & Davis while getting a great shooter and solid scorer in Bojan. Assuming the FO wants to resign Kuzma, there is no future with Rui.

Simple trade:

Wizards trade Rui+Barton (expiring) for Bojan

Why for the Wizards?
1). Ownership has mandated to never tank and always try to "win". With Deni & Kuzma (and even Porzingis), there is a PF glut. Rui is due an extension soon and the Wizards need to decide on his future. This trade does some consolidation while allowing for more PT for Kispert (and potentially Johnny Davis). Also saves roughly 1 million in cash (always a consideration for ownership).

Why for the Jazz?
1). They aren't resigning Bojan after this year as they are clearly rebuilding. They get Rui and play him as much PT as possible to see what he has.

mhd wrote:Posted this on the trade board as a consolidation trade. Don't know if Turd would trade away his marketing ace in Japan, but this allows for more PT for Kispert & Davis while getting a great shooter and solid scorer in Bojan. Assuming the FO wants to resign Kuzma, there is no future with Rui.

Simple trade:

Wizards trade Rui+Barton (expiring) for Bojan

Why for the Wizards?
1). Ownership has mandated to never tank and always try to "win". With Deni & Kuzma (and even Porzingis), there is a PF glut. Rui is due an extension soon and the Wizards need to decide on his future. This trade does some consolidation while allowing for more PT for Kispert (and potentially Johnny Davis). Also saves roughly 1 million in cash (always a consideration for ownership).

Why for the Jazz?
1). They aren't resigning Bojan after this year as they are clearly rebuilding. They get Rui and play him as much PT as possible to see what he has.

This is awful. Why would we trade anything of value for a 33 year old on an expiring contract? You are just giving away assets for no reason.

nate33 wrote:

mhd wrote:Posted this on the trade board as a consolidation trade. Don't know if Turd would trade away his marketing ace in Japan, but this allows for more PT for Kispert & Davis while getting a great shooter and solid scorer in Bojan. Assuming the FO wants to resign Kuzma, there is no future with Rui.

Simple trade:

Wizards trade Rui+Barton (expiring) for Bojan

Why for the Wizards?
1). Ownership has mandated to never tank and always try to "win". With Deni & Kuzma (and even Porzingis), there is a PF glut. Rui is due an extension soon and the Wizards need to decide on his future. This trade does some consolidation while allowing for more PT for Kispert (and potentially Johnny Davis). Also saves roughly 1 million in cash (always a consideration for ownership).

Why for the Jazz?
1). They aren't resigning Bojan after this year as they are clearly rebuilding. They get Rui and play him as much PT as possible to see what he has.

This is awful. Why would we trade anything of value for a 33 year old on an expiring contract? You are just giving away assets for no reason.

Agreed. Though I’d be more open if the Jazz included the 2023 first round draft pick from Brooklyn, Houston or Philadelphia (least favorable).

This is likely to be a 20-30 first rounder (probably via PHI), which could be adequate compensation for the trade.

In any case, I am convinced Terd will not agree, he needs to sell more Rui merchandise in Japan

nate33 wrote:

mhd wrote:Posted this on the trade board as a consolidation trade. Don't know if Turd would trade away his marketing ace in Japan, but this allows for more PT for Kispert & Davis while getting a great shooter and solid scorer in Bojan. Assuming the FO wants to resign Kuzma, there is no future with Rui.

Simple trade:

Wizards trade Rui+Barton (expiring) for Bojan

Why for the Wizards?
1). Ownership has mandated to never tank and always try to "win". With Deni & Kuzma (and even Porzingis), there is a PF glut. Rui is due an extension soon and the Wizards need to decide on his future. This trade does some consolidation while allowing for more PT for Kispert (and potentially Johnny Davis). Also saves roughly 1 million in cash (always a consideration for ownership).

Why for the Jazz?
1). They aren't resigning Bojan after this year as they are clearly rebuilding. They get Rui and play him as much PT as possible to see what he has.

This is awful. Why would we trade anything of value for a 33 year old on an expiring contract? You are just giving away assets for no reason.

Yeah, you're probably right. Utah fans are for it obviously. I was just searching for any consolidation trades. We have the same issue we had last year (too many vets). Someone will be squeezed out. Davis will be fine with it initially as a rookie (like Kispert was), but we need to play Rui & Deni to see what they have. Wes will want to play Kuzma b/c he's solid, reliable, and can play small-ball 5.

PG: Morris (24); Wright (18); Beal (6)
SG: Beal (30), Barton (10), Kispert (8)
SF: Deni (24), Kispert (12), Rui (6), Barton (6)
PF: Kuz (30), Rui (18)
C: KP (32), Gaff (16)

I'd like to ramp up those minutes for Deni & Rui, but can't find any. Plus, there isn't any PT for Davis.

mhd wrote:Posted this on the trade board as a consolidation trade. Don't know if Turd would trade away his marketing ace in Japan, but this allows for more PT for Kispert & Davis while getting a great shooter and solid scorer in Bojan. Assuming the FO wants to resign Kuzma, there is no future with Rui.

Simple trade:

Wizards trade Rui+Barton (expiring) for Bojan

Why for the Wizards?
1). Ownership has mandated to never tank and always try to "win". With Deni & Kuzma (and even Porzingis), there is a PF glut. Rui is due an extension soon and the Wizards need to decide on his future. This trade does some consolidation while allowing for more PT for Kispert (and potentially Johnny Davis). Also saves roughly 1 million in cash (always a consideration for ownership).

Why for the Jazz?
1). They aren't resigning Bojan after this year as they are clearly rebuilding. They get Rui and play him as much PT as possible to see what he has.

We are not going to resign Bojan so basically we trade Rui away for 1 million dollars. This seems very bizarre to me. I'd rather bet on Rui continuing to improve and eventually becoming a valuable assett.

Wonder if Miami would do a Kuzma or Barton for Caleb Martin sign and trade? I’m sure we could eat Duncan Robinson’s contract in a deal, but I’m not sure it’s worth it.

Martin became one of the best 3&D wings in the league last year.

Robinson+Martin for Kuzma+Rui is interesting to me. Turn two guys that have no future with the team into one of the better 3&D wings in the league, in his prime, with a chance to lock him up for 3-4 years, and a bad contract, but a guy that is still a useful role player and shooter.

NatP4 wrote:Wonder if Miami would do a Kuzma or Barton for Caleb Martin sign and trade? I’m sure we could eat Duncan Robinson’s contract in a deal, but I’m not sure it’s worth it.

Martin became one of the best 3&D wings in the league last year.

Robinson+Martin for Kuzma+Rui is interesting to me. Turn two guys that have no future with the team into one of the better 3&D wings in the league, in his prime, with a chance to lock him up for 3-4 years, and a bad contract, but a guy that is still a useful role player and shooter.

We just got rid of Bertans. Not sure I need to see Bertans jr in a Wiz uniform so soon after getting rid of his older brother.

9 and 20 wrote:

NatP4 wrote:Wonder if Miami would do a Kuzma or Barton for Caleb Martin sign and trade? I’m sure we could eat Duncan Robinson’s contract in a deal, but I’m not sure it’s worth it.

Martin became one of the best 3&D wings in the league last year.

Robinson+Martin for Kuzma+Rui is interesting to me. Turn two guys that have no future with the team into one of the better 3&D wings in the league, in his prime, with a chance to lock him up for 3-4 years, and a bad contract, but a guy that is still a useful role player and shooter.

We just got rid of Bertans. Not sure I need to see Bertans jr in a Wiz uniform so soon after getting rid of his older brother.

The way to get a player like Caleb Martin is not to wait until he's shown how good he is & then sign him at market value.

The way to get a player like Caleb Martin (or his identical twin brother Cody) is to do a good job of scouting & then pick him in R2 (as Charlotte did Cody) or sign him undrafted (as Charlotte did Caleb).

In any case, why would Miami want Kuzma or Barton over Martin? Oh, & Duncan Robinson has $65m in guaranteed salary coming his way. How would you go about absorbing that?

Find the next Caleb Martin instead. Or just the next exceptionally under-valued prospect. How about Quenton Jackson?

How about this?

Utah receives: Ben Simmons, Will Barton
Washington receives: Bam Adebayo
Miami receives: KD, Kuzma, Rudy Gay
Brooklyn receives: Donovan Mitchell, Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, Isaiah Todd

Most of the picks will probably head Utah's way, but I still don't know if this actually happens. I fail to see Miami getting KD and still being able to keep Bam.

mhd wrote:Posted this on the trade board as a consolidation trade. Don't know if Turd would trade away his marketing ace in Japan, but this allows for more PT for Kispert & Davis while getting a great shooter and solid scorer in Bojan. Assuming the FO wants to resign Kuzma, there is no future with Rui.

Simple trade:

Wizards trade Rui+Barton (expiring) for Bojan

Why for the Wizards?
1). Ownership has mandated to never tank and always try to "win". With Deni & Kuzma (and even Porzingis), there is a PF glut. Rui is due an extension soon and the Wizards need to decide on his future. This trade does some consolidation while allowing for more PT for Kispert (and potentially Johnny Davis). Also saves roughly 1 million in cash (always a consideration for ownership).

Why for the Jazz?
1). They aren't resigning Bojan after this year as they are clearly rebuilding. They get Rui and play him as much PT as possible to see what he has.

Dude! I’m the one who comes up with silly trade ideas. Don’t take my crown away!

prime1time wrote:

mhd wrote:Posted this on the trade board as a consolidation trade. Don't know if Turd would trade away his marketing ace in Japan, but this allows for more PT for Kispert & Davis while getting a great shooter and solid scorer in Bojan. Assuming the FO wants to resign Kuzma, there is no future with Rui.

Simple trade:

Wizards trade Rui+Barton (expiring) for Bojan

Why for the Wizards?
1). Ownership has mandated to never tank and always try to "win". With Deni & Kuzma (and even Porzingis), there is a PF glut. Rui is due an extension soon and the Wizards need to decide on his future. This trade does some consolidation while allowing for more PT for Kispert (and potentially Johnny Davis). Also saves roughly 1 million in cash (always a consideration for ownership).

Why for the Jazz?
1). They aren't resigning Bojan after this year as they are clearly rebuilding. They get Rui and play him as much PT as possible to see what he has.

We are not going to resign Bojan so basically we trade Rui away for 1 million dollars. This seems very bizarre to me. I'd rather bet on Rui continuing to improve and eventually becoming a valuable assett.

It's a horrible trade. Bojan is not a particularly good player & he's near the end of his career.

Rafael122 wrote:How about this?

Utah receives: Ben Simmons, Will Barton
Washington receives: Bam Adebayo
Miami receives: KD, Kuzma, Rudy Gay
Brooklyn receives: Donovan Mitchell, Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, Isaiah Todd

Most of the picks will probably head Utah's way, but I still don't know if this actually happens. I fail to see Miami getting KD and still being able to keep Bam.

LOL. You just managed to trade Barton and Kuzma for Bam Adebayo. Do you honestly think that's realistic?

nate33 wrote:

Rafael122 wrote:How about this?

Utah receives: Ben Simmons, Will Barton
Washington receives: Bam Adebayo
Miami receives: KD, Kuzma, Rudy Gay
Brooklyn receives: Donovan Mitchell, Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, Isaiah Todd

Most of the picks will probably head Utah's way, but I still don't know if this actually happens. I fail to see Miami getting KD and still being able to keep Bam.

LOL. You just managed to trade Barton and Kuzma for Bam Adebayo. Do you honestly think that's realistic?

I think the only way the Wiz get in on this is if they take Simmons on. Seems like KD can't get traded for most of the rumored players b/c of Ben's contract.

Rafael122 wrote:

nate33 wrote:

Rafael122 wrote:How about this?

Utah receives: Ben Simmons, Will Barton
Washington receives: Bam Adebayo
Miami receives: KD, Kuzma, Rudy Gay
Brooklyn receives: Donovan Mitchell, Tyler Herro, Duncan Robinson, Isaiah Todd

Most of the picks will probably head Utah's way, but I still don't know if this actually happens. I fail to see Miami getting KD and still being able to keep Bam.

LOL. You just managed to trade Barton and Kuzma for Bam Adebayo. Do you honestly think that's realistic?

I think the only way the Wiz get in on this is if they take Simmons on. Seems like KD can't get traded for most of the rumored players b/c of Ben's contract.

It might be feasible if we wait until December 15th and involve Beal in the transaction. KD to Miami, Adebayo to Brooklyn, Simmons to DC, Beal to Brooklyn. I'd only do it if Simmons proved in October/November that he was healthy.

Brooklyn turns KD and Simmons into Bam and Beal. Not a championship duo or anything, but they can win 50 games for a few years.

Miami turns Bam into KD and makes one last championship run with the aging Butler and Lowry.

The Wizards finally pick a strategy for the future. Nobody is older than 27. The lineup is actually kind of interesting with a whole bunch of do-everything players between 6-7 and 6-10 to play around Porzingis.