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Frichuela wrote:Very exciting. Let’s hope that for once we hit on an undrafted prospect.
BearlyBallin wrote:Goodwin is on a two way contract so he can’t be poached by another team, but he is limited to 50 days with the Wizards. Around that time maybe the team will have an open roster available for him.
I read somewhere his current salary is half of the rookie min, so around $ 509,000 ?
BearlyBallin wrote:Goodwin is on a two way contract so he can’t be poached by another team, but he is limited to 50 days with the Wizards. Around that time maybe the team will have an open roster available for him.
I read somewhere his current salary is half of the rookie min, so around $ 509,000 ?
closg00 wrote:Don't think other teams are not watching, he could be pinched like Matthews
closg00 wrote:BearlyBallin wrote:Goodwin is on a two way contract so he can’t be poached by another team, but he is limited to 50 days with the Wizards. Around that time maybe the team will have an open roster available for him.
I read somewhere his current salary is half of the rookie min, so around $ 509,000 ?
Understood, but either he signs again on a two-way (unlikely), or the Wiz have to offer a contract. Given that we already have JD in the wings, the exact same set of circumstances that led to Matthews being pinched exists.
payitforward wrote:closg00 wrote:BearlyBallin wrote:Goodwin is on a two way contract so he can’t be poached by another team, but he is limited to 50 days with the Wizards. Around that time maybe the team will have an open roster available for him.
I read somewhere his current salary is half of the rookie min, so around $ 509,000 ?
Understood, but either he signs again on a two-way (unlikely), or the Wiz have to offer a contract. Given that we already have JD in the wings, the exact same set of circumstances that led to Matthews being pinched exists.
Hey, we all want to keep Jordan Goodwin! Who wouldn't? But, no, the circumstances don't remotely resemble those around Mathews. I just posted a reminder of how that went down. The current situation is not similar.
We cannot convert Jordan Goodwin to a regular contract right now -- & it's hard to see how we'll be able to do it before the trade deadline.
Right now we have 15 guaranteed contracts. I.e., if we were to waive, say, Isaiah Todd to create a roster spot for Goodwin, we'd still have to pay Todd's full salary this year.
That alone probably wouldn't stand in the way of making the move, but... we are @$90K under the luxury tax line right now. Cutting Todd & signing Jordan would take us over that line. Thus, we'd be paying a high premium to add Goodwin.
Unless there's a big move at this year's trade deadline, it's not going to be possible to add him this year. & for that matter it won't get any easier for next year either! Here's why:
As it stands, we have just over $145m in guaranteed contracts to 11 players next year: Beal, KP, Kuzma, Morris, Wright, Deni, Davis, Kispert, Gafford, Gill & Todd.
In addition, we have a cheap team option on Vernon Carey at $2m, & assuming we don't make the playoffs (& have to give up our 2023 R1 pick) we'll add at least 1 rookie at @$4.5-5m & -- plus at least 1 player out of R2 (unless we keep mismanaging the draft, that is!).
That would give us 14 players at almost $152m -- i.e. over this year's luxury tax line.
According to https://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington_wizards/ we have the right to give Goodwin a qualifying offer for next year. That means we have some control over him. & we would have the roster spot to give him a multi-year contract. But how much room we'll have under next year's tax line will affect what kind of deal we can make.
Plus, I assume you've noticed that none of the preceding includes Rui. Of course, we don't have to pick up Carey's $2m option, in which case there'll be a roster spot for him. But, unless he signs for that same low $2m price, it's hard to see how we can wrap up Goodwin & still remain below the tax line. Unless, of course, it takes a pretty big jump!
You've probably also noticed that I included Todd for next year. That's b/c he has a fully guaranteed contract for next year too! Why did we give him 3 guaranteed years, you're wondering...? Beats me!
Thus, it should be obvious that we'll need to make some significant moves at this season's trade deadline if we are going to keep Goodwin.
payitforward wrote:closg00 wrote:Don't think other teams are not watching, he could be pinched like Matthews
To be sure, only... Mathews wasn't "pinched." We simply let him go! We didn't give Garrison a qualifying offer, so he became an unrestricted FA.
The point isn't that Garrison Mathews is a tremendous player -- he isn't. The point is that he was an asset with value, & we simply gave him away. We didn't get another player for him. We didn't get a R2 pick for him. Nothing.
That's amateur-level management. In the NBA or any business whatever.
GoneShammGone wrote:Agree with all this, and just wanted to note that its even worse really, because Kyle has a player option for next year, and I think it's safe to say that he will opt out, and cost even more money. Tommy needs to work some magic before the deadline.
doclinkin wrote:GoneShammGone wrote:Agree with all this, and just wanted to note that its even worse really, because Kyle has a player option for next year, and I think it's safe to say that he will opt out, and cost even more money. Tommy needs to work some magic before the deadline.
Kuzma is auditioning for another team right now. Pretty sure he doesn't necessarily want to be #3 behind the Quarter Billion dollar man. And it is not lost on him or the rest of the NBA that the team is winning without Beal, with Kuz playing a starring role.
payitforward wrote:closg00 wrote:BearlyBallin wrote:Goodwin is on a two way contract so he can’t be poached by another team, but he is limited to 50 days with the Wizards. Around that time maybe the team will have an open roster available for him.
I read somewhere his current salary is half of the rookie min, so around $ 509,000 ?
Understood, but either he signs again on a two-way (unlikely), or the Wiz have to offer a contract. Given that we already have JD in the wings, the exact same set of circumstances that led to Matthews being pinched exists.
Hey, we all want to keep Jordan Goodwin! Who wouldn't? But, no, the circumstances don't remotely resemble those around Mathews. I just posted a reminder of how that went down. The current situation is not similar.
We cannot convert Jordan Goodwin to a regular contract right now -- & it's hard to see how we'll be able to do it before the trade deadline.
Right now we have 15 guaranteed contracts. I.e., if we were to waive, say, Isaiah Todd to create a roster spot for Goodwin, we'd still have to pay Todd's full salary this year.
That alone probably wouldn't stand in the way of making the move, but... we are @$90K under the luxury tax line right now. Cutting Todd & signing Jordan would take us over that line. Thus, we'd be paying a high premium to add Goodwin.
Unless there's a big move at this year's trade deadline, it's not going to be possible to add him this year. & for that matter it won't get any easier for next year either! Here's why:
As it stands, we have just over $145m in guaranteed contracts to 11 players next year: Beal, KP, Kuzma, Morris, Wright, Deni, Davis, Kispert, Gafford, Gill & Todd.
In addition, we have a cheap team option on Vernon Carey at $2m, & assuming we don't make the playoffs (& have to give up our 2023 R1 pick) we'll add at least 1 rookie at @$4.5-5m & -- plus at least 1 player out of R2 (unless we keep mismanaging the draft, that is!).
That would give us 14 players at almost $152m -- i.e. over this year's luxury tax line.
According to https://hoopshype.com/salaries/washington_wizards/ we have the right to give Goodwin a qualifying offer for next year. That means we have some control over him. & we would have the roster spot to give him a multi-year contract. But how much room we'll have under next year's tax line will affect what kind of deal we can make.
Plus, I assume you've noticed that none of the preceding includes Rui. Of course, we don't have to pick up Carey's $2m option, in which case there'll be a roster spot for him. But, unless he signs for that same low $2m price, it's hard to see how we can wrap up Goodwin & still remain below the tax line. Unless, of course, it takes a pretty big jump!
You've probably also noticed that I included Todd for next year. That's b/c he has a fully guaranteed contract for next year too! Why did we give him 3 guaranteed years, you're wondering...? Beats me!
Thus, it should be obvious that we'll need to make some significant moves at this season's trade deadline if we are going to keep Goodwin.
DCZards wrote:payitforward wrote:closg00 wrote:Don't think other teams are not watching, he could be pinched like Matthews
To be sure, only... Mathews wasn't "pinched." We simply let him go! We didn't give Garrison a qualifying offer, so he became an unrestricted FA.
The point isn't that Garrison Mathews is a tremendous player -- he isn't. The point is that he was an asset with value, & we simply gave him away. We didn't get another player for him. We didn't get a R2 pick for him. Nothing.
That's amateur-level management. In the NBA or any business whatever.
It takes two to tangle (or trade) and it could be that Garrison wasn't worth another player or a R2 pick to another team.
doclinkin wrote:GoneShammGone wrote:Agree with all this, and just wanted to note that its even worse really, because Kyle has a player option for next year, and I think it's safe to say that he will opt out, and cost even more money. Tommy needs to work some magic before the deadline.
Kuzma is auditioning for another team right now. Pretty sure he doesn't necessarily want to be #3 behind the Quarter Billion dollar man. And it is not lost on him or the rest of the NBA that the team is winning without Beal, with Kuz playing a starring role.
nate33 wrote:I disagree. I suspect Kuzma likes it here. The Wizards have accepted him as one of the 3 headliner stars whereas he was treated as a role player in LA. He led the team in total minutes last year until the late-season injury, and he is leading in total minutes again this year.
I really do think that Beal has tried to defer to his team more this year instead of demanding to be the headliner. His FGA's are down 30% from his peak 2 years ago. That's a heck of a lot. I don't really think there's a dynamic where guys like Porzingis and Kuzma are disgruntled because Beal is undeservedly jacking up a disproportionate amount of shots. Maybe the ball is still "sticking" too much when Beal is in the game, but it's not an issue of selfishness. It's more an issue of chemistry.
payitforward wrote:Add me to the chorus: Kuz looks like he's comfortable, & I'm sure he & Brad get along fine -- in fact, I don't think he has a rep for being "difficult." If anything it's the opposite. & for sure the team likes him as a marketing symbol -- in fact, this is one of the things that makes me think they might actually be willing to get rid of Rui despite his unique draw on a spendy market.
The only problem is that Kuz isn't a good NBA player. Hence, what does it tell you that the organization is more than willing to push him forward into a "face of the franchise" role?
What it tells me is that Monumental Sports doesn't think that winning is particularly important. Apparently, they have seen no indication that not winning has any negative effect on their numbers.
Frichuela wrote:Point, set and match my friend. It is what it is in Turd’s
fancy world…the bottom line is what matters and nothing else.
TED: "When developed correctly, a double-bottom line creates a happy and what I believe to be a more successful organization. A company should strive to make profits, but it also should be in pursuit of a high calling or some larger purpose. It also provides an outlet for employees to feel that they are helping to make a difference in their community or in support of a particular cause."
