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Political Roundtable Part XXXII

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXII 

Post#643 » by Zonkerbl » Wed May 24, 2023 12:49 pm

Banning books is ok. You won't find 50 Shades of Grey in an elementary school library and for good reason. But again, you can't allow a heckler's veto of any and all books. Then you get the crazy person where the voices in their head say Amanda Gorman is controlled by aliens and must be banned. You have to filter these decisions through a duly elected school board to filter out the crazies. If you don't like the school board's decision, vote in a new school board.

School boards definitely should not be rubber stamping every crazy book banning request, and the solution in this instance is to make a list of every book currently in the elementary school library, assign one book per democratic voter in the district, have each of them make up some crazy reason to have the book banned and have the school board consider every single request, and then take them to the Supreme Court when they only ban requests from Republican crazy people.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXII 

Post#644 » by Zonkerbl » Wed May 24, 2023 12:53 pm

I'm not going to comment on the debt ceiling stuff because of course it's a circus and it's outrageous the Republicans are threatening to behead the hostage AGAIN and Biden is negotiating with the terrorists AGAIN and it's all very, very stupid. If I were a big international bank the fact that Republicans are even willing to use default as a threat to get their stupid little budget concessions is a reason to downgrade US debt NOW. Maybe that would send a message to Republicans to cut it out.

I don't understand why big businesses are not ringing alarm bells and doing everything they can to get the Republicans to knock this ish off. Do they not like making money?
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXII 

Post#645 » by dobrojim » Wed May 24, 2023 1:00 pm

Today's GOP. Fierce defenders of artistic expression - NOT.

Their biggest priority: defeating modernity and putting it in its place.
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That’s pretty sad, but on the bright side, at least someone attempted a close misreading rather than throwing up hands and proclaiming, “I don’t get poetry”

When I was in elementary school, the only books I read from the library were C.B. Colby books on weapons and war, the only books with a subtext of drama. Our school had a huge collection of these books, and nobody complained about 3rd graders reading about killing machines. In junior high school, the library seemed stuffed with books filled with subtle or explicit propaganda, maintaining the status quo (like J Edgar Hoover’s “Masters of Deceit”), so I largely stuck with their slim collection of art, architecture and design books, although somehow “I Know Why the Caged Bird Sings” slipped in.

This pissy fight for control over school books is a continuation of the war against “woke” and “political correctness,” which is really just the same old battle, as old as the Constitution, pitting white male landowners and their minions against anyone who dares contradict them (also known as “woke”). They loved democracy, until other people started voting. Now they can’t wait to get rid of it.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXII 

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This pissy fight for control over school books is a continuation of the war against “woke” and “political correctness,” which is really just the same old battle, as old as the Constitution, pitting white male landowners and their minions against anyone who dares contradict them (also known as “woke”). They loved democracy, until other people started voting. Now they can’t wait to get rid of it.


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Post#648 » by montestewart » Wed May 24, 2023 5:08 pm

Nonstop extremist troll porn. Nobody tunes in to hear calm, reasoned analysis. He’s a pawn of those would-be rulers, hoping for his sinecure lotto ticket.

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Post#651 » by dobrojim » Thu May 25, 2023 1:26 pm

Why I love Jamie Raskin (kinda long)

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Post#652 » by dobrojim » Thu May 25, 2023 2:50 pm

I hate gun culture

Redick has a good point

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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXII 

Post#653 » by Zonkerbl » Thu May 25, 2023 3:14 pm

Ja Morant gets in trouble for not breaking the law. Brett Favre... ugh don't even get me started.
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Post#654 » by pancakes3 » Thu May 25, 2023 3:20 pm

dobrojim wrote:I hate gun culture

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I'm w Barkley on this - JJ is wrong. It's not about criminality. There's a whole spectrum of malfeasances from "bad" to "criminally bad"

He is:
- an employee at a workplace
- an asset that derives value, largely from his brand value
- a figurehead for the organization
- a figurehead for the league comprised of multiple organizations
- a role model (Barkley said, ironically enough; but out of context - Barkley meant it as doctors/lawyers/scientists are the true role models)
- a highly visible african american celebrity that is reinforcing negative stereotypes

So sure. He isn't a criminal. But he can be disciplined. And if he doesn't like it, he can go work somewhere else. And if he doesn't want to be a role model, or a model minority, he can do that too. But the rest of us get to criticize him for it. Nobody is taking his guns from him. That constitutional right is being protected. But social consequences are social consequences. Sorry you have to live in a society. $200,000,000 doesn't just pop out of nowhere.
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One thing for sure, Target has weak knees. Hard to figure nowadays. Crime has stayed steady, but murders are up, mass shootings are up, and Target literally has a target to help your aim. It's not too simplistic to imagine someone shooting up a Target store because they offer...whatever it was that made people yell "A witch!"

I see many LGBTQ+ shopping at the Targets in this area. A threatened LGBTQ+ boycott could push back. I see most right wing action as an extreme minority of loudmouths leading majority only superficially concerned with the particulars on the laundry list of complaints, just looking for a target for anger. They move on quickly, but an LGBTQ+ boycott, honored by others, could put a huge dent in Target's Target Wallet. I'm moving it to my "Last resort" category (not hard to do, I rarely go in there), and waiting to see who blinks.
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Re: Political Roundtable Part XXXII 

Post#660 » by dobrojim » Fri May 26, 2023 5:28 am

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I'm w Barkley on this - JJ is wrong. It's not about criminality. There's a whole spectrum of malfeasances from "bad" to "criminally bad"

He is:
- an employee at a workplace
- an asset that derives value, largely from his brand value
- a figurehead for the organization
- a figurehead for the league comprised of multiple organizations
- a role model (Barkley said, ironically enough; but out of context - Barkley meant it as doctors/lawyers/scientists are the true role models)
- a highly visible african american celebrity that is reinforcing negative stereotypes

So sure. He isn't a criminal. But he can be disciplined. And if he doesn't like it, he can go work somewhere else. And if he doesn't want to be a role model, or a model minority, he can do that too. But the rest of us get to criticize him for it. Nobody is taking his guns from him. That constitutional right is being protected. But social consequences are social consequences. Sorry you have to live in a society. $200,000,000 doesn't just pop out of nowhere.


You also make perfectly valid points. I'm probably being defensive by saying, JJ is talking about
culture in a broad sense.

You are focusing on legalities and his status as an employee, which for celebrities and pro athletes
also gets pretty broad and overlaps into culture. That said, your final bullet is pretty strictly a cultural one.
And one I am in complete agreement about. It's bad for any celebrity to flash guns as if it's just something cool to do.

I didn't see whatever Chuck had to say.
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