Should be fun to follow how the NBA's rookies do this year.
Early days, obviously, so not much to say that is definitive. Still....
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Who cares if it’s early in the season, I’m in the winter of my life. Celebrate every chance you can get.
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"bulky agile perimeter bone crunch pick setting draymond green" WizD
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Be a while before we know how any of these guys really work out.
So far, fdor example, Reed Sheppard has been absolutely awful. Gettig a big 10 minutes/game & can't get anything done. If Will had drafted him, this Board would be having a fit!
So far, fdor example, Reed Sheppard has been absolutely awful. Gettig a big 10 minutes/game & can't get anything done. If Will had drafted him, this Board would be having a fit!
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payitforward wrote:Be a while before we know how any of these guys really work out.
So far, fdor example, Reed Sheppard has been absolutely awful. Gettig a big 10 minutes/game & can't get anything done. If Will had drafted him, this Board would be having a fit!
That’s not really fair. We don’t know what Sheppard’s #s would look like if he was drafted by the Zards and given the opportunity to play 30 mins per game (like Bub) as opposed to the 12 mins per game he plays for Houston.
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https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5914182/2024/11/14/nba-rookie-rankings-zach-edey-jaylen-wells-grizzlies-bronny-james/?source=freeweeklyemail&campaign=602288&userId=6095407
Nice little piece from theathletic from thursday's before Sarr's big game.
Has Bub #5, Sarr #9 and Kyshawn #11
"....Wizards have some reason for excitement
It would be unfair to call the Wizards a particularly good basketball team right now. They were 2-7 entering Wednesday and had the worst point differential of any team in the Eastern Conference. And yet, I still think there’s plenty of reason to say the Wizards are a fun basketball team right now. Bilal Coulibaly’s early explosion is one reason for it, as he’s turning into the kind of two-way wing every team dreams of having.
However, the rookie class is another reason. Bub Carrington comes in at No. 5 on this list, and he’s been the most productive rookie outside of Edey. Over his last six games, he’s averaging 10 points, six assists and five rebounds while generally possessing a level of efficiency few rookies have posted this year. His 53.5 true shooting percentage isn’t above-average league-wide, but it’s one of the better marks among first-year guards — especially ones playing as big of a role as he is.
The big key for Carrington is his ability to play in ball screens while blending scoring and passing. His handle is terrific. He keeps the ball on a string, possessing the ability to play off a live dribble and threaten the defense. He’s smart at finding the pocket pass to his rolling big, and he seems to deal well with ball pressure from opposing guards. He doesn’t always go forward without a screen yet when he’s facing a stronger, older player. But he also doesn’t seem to get flustered, posting a 3-to-1 assist-to-turnover rate thus far. He plays at his own pace and does an excellent job at keeping the advantage on his defenders. He’s also making his pull-up jumpers at a very high clip, having hit 16 of 32 to this point with an even split between 3s and 2s.
Ultimately, the key for Carrington’s career will be him creating more easy shots for himself. He’s still only creating two shots per game at the rim, with only 1.5 of those being in half-court settings. A big issue is he’s just not that explosive. He has great shiftiness, and as he gets stronger, he should be able to further create advantages with his frame. But right now, he hasn’t exactly been consistent at getting the defense to collapse by starting lead guard standards in the NBA.
Carrington’s incredibly young, having just turned 19 in July. For him to even be at this level already is a positive sign that the Wizards probably got a steal. But his ceiling will be determined by that ability to create those advantages.
Alex Sarr and Kyshawn George have been a bit more up-and-down but still fun to watch. I ranked Sarr ahead of George because I think his defense has been better, but neither has been particularly efficient on offense. Sarr is at 34 percent from the field and 20 percent from 3, with George coming in at 37 percent from the field and 27 percent from 3. George has had a couple of flashy games recently, dropping 20 on Golden State while taking 17 3s and scoring 17 against Memphis.
George is firing with confidence from 3, which is the skill that felt most projectable, and his role right now is exactly what the Wizards hope it will be in the future. George is a little bit older than you think given that he was a one-and-done player at Miami (Fla.); he turns 21 next month. But he’s a late bloomer who grew significantly in his later teens. If the shot falls, he’ll probably be a solid rotation player into the future, as he’s also been active on the defensive end.
Sarr has probably had the most star flashes of the three, including a few incredible full-court grab-and-go drives turning defense into offense as a 7-footer.
He’s also had a number of impressive moments on defense that showcase serious upside, including this switch-and-swat against Orlando Magic wing Franz Wagner that showed his ability to move as well as his playmaking upside.
And yet, the flaws are apparent. He’s still going through growing pains defensively as a rebounder and physical interior presence at the center position. His rotations are sometimes a step late, an expected outcome for a rookie but one that will require improvement.
But that pales in comparison to the overall offensive experience for Sarr right now, which has not been positive despite the flashes. He’s making under 35 percent from the field for two reasons. First, his finishing isn’t that great on touch opportunities (he’s made just 33 percent of his layups, per Synergy). But more importantly, he tends to live out on the perimeter. It’s hard to tell someone who is making only 33 percent of his layups that he needs to be on the interior more, but it would help Washington if he could provide a more consistent rolling presence to the rim as opposed to his typical slip and pop out to the perimeter or midrange.
The Wizards drafted Sarr knowing he was a project and that this was going to take some time. And the flashes are probably enough when he’s also going out there and blocking nearly three shots per game. But how the team shapes his long-term offensive approach is going to be key to getting the most out of him. In large part, that’ll depend as much on how Sarr develops his skill level and touch as it does on them...."
Nice little piece from theathletic from thursday's before Sarr's big game.
Has Bub #5, Sarr #9 and Kyshawn #11
"....Wizards have some reason for excitement
It would be unfair to call the Wizards a particularly good basketball team right now. They were 2-7 entering Wednesday and had the worst point differential of any team in the Eastern Conference. And yet, I still think there’s plenty of reason to say the Wizards are a fun basketball team right now. Bilal Coulibaly’s early explosion is one reason for it, as he’s turning into the kind of two-way wing every team dreams of having.
However, the rookie class is another reason. Bub Carrington comes in at No. 5 on this list, and he’s been the most productive rookie outside of Edey. Over his last six games, he’s averaging 10 points, six assists and five rebounds while generally possessing a level of efficiency few rookies have posted this year. His 53.5 true shooting percentage isn’t above-average league-wide, but it’s one of the better marks among first-year guards — especially ones playing as big of a role as he is.
The big key for Carrington is his ability to play in ball screens while blending scoring and passing. His handle is terrific. He keeps the ball on a string, possessing the ability to play off a live dribble and threaten the defense. He’s smart at finding the pocket pass to his rolling big, and he seems to deal well with ball pressure from opposing guards. He doesn’t always go forward without a screen yet when he’s facing a stronger, older player. But he also doesn’t seem to get flustered, posting a 3-to-1 assist-to-turnover rate thus far. He plays at his own pace and does an excellent job at keeping the advantage on his defenders. He’s also making his pull-up jumpers at a very high clip, having hit 16 of 32 to this point with an even split between 3s and 2s.
Ultimately, the key for Carrington’s career will be him creating more easy shots for himself. He’s still only creating two shots per game at the rim, with only 1.5 of those being in half-court settings. A big issue is he’s just not that explosive. He has great shiftiness, and as he gets stronger, he should be able to further create advantages with his frame. But right now, he hasn’t exactly been consistent at getting the defense to collapse by starting lead guard standards in the NBA.
Carrington’s incredibly young, having just turned 19 in July. For him to even be at this level already is a positive sign that the Wizards probably got a steal. But his ceiling will be determined by that ability to create those advantages.
Alex Sarr and Kyshawn George have been a bit more up-and-down but still fun to watch. I ranked Sarr ahead of George because I think his defense has been better, but neither has been particularly efficient on offense. Sarr is at 34 percent from the field and 20 percent from 3, with George coming in at 37 percent from the field and 27 percent from 3. George has had a couple of flashy games recently, dropping 20 on Golden State while taking 17 3s and scoring 17 against Memphis.
George is firing with confidence from 3, which is the skill that felt most projectable, and his role right now is exactly what the Wizards hope it will be in the future. George is a little bit older than you think given that he was a one-and-done player at Miami (Fla.); he turns 21 next month. But he’s a late bloomer who grew significantly in his later teens. If the shot falls, he’ll probably be a solid rotation player into the future, as he’s also been active on the defensive end.
Sarr has probably had the most star flashes of the three, including a few incredible full-court grab-and-go drives turning defense into offense as a 7-footer.
He’s also had a number of impressive moments on defense that showcase serious upside, including this switch-and-swat against Orlando Magic wing Franz Wagner that showed his ability to move as well as his playmaking upside.
And yet, the flaws are apparent. He’s still going through growing pains defensively as a rebounder and physical interior presence at the center position. His rotations are sometimes a step late, an expected outcome for a rookie but one that will require improvement.
But that pales in comparison to the overall offensive experience for Sarr right now, which has not been positive despite the flashes. He’s making under 35 percent from the field for two reasons. First, his finishing isn’t that great on touch opportunities (he’s made just 33 percent of his layups, per Synergy). But more importantly, he tends to live out on the perimeter. It’s hard to tell someone who is making only 33 percent of his layups that he needs to be on the interior more, but it would help Washington if he could provide a more consistent rolling presence to the rim as opposed to his typical slip and pop out to the perimeter or midrange.
The Wizards drafted Sarr knowing he was a project and that this was going to take some time. And the flashes are probably enough when he’s also going out there and blocking nearly three shots per game. But how the team shapes his long-term offensive approach is going to be key to getting the most out of him. In large part, that’ll depend as much on how Sarr develops his skill level and touch as it does on them...."
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DCZards wrote:payitforward wrote:Be a while before we know how any of these guys really work out.
So far, fdor example, Reed Sheppard has been absolutely awful. Gettig a big 10 minutes/game & can't get anything done. If Will had drafted him, this Board would be having a fit!
That’s not really fair. We don’t know what Sheppard’s #s would look like if he was drafted by the Zards and given the opportunity to play 30 mins per game (like Bub) as opposed to the 12 mins per game he plays for Houston.
You're right of course....
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Kyshawn has been struggling with his shot lately. Hopefully he'll work it out.
Having Kuz around isn't helping except to make obvious that you can be pretty
bad and still get minutes, even at a much later stage of your career.
Having Kuz around isn't helping except to make obvious that you can be pretty
bad and still get minutes, even at a much later stage of your career.
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Early ROY candidate.
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Dillingham finally getting some minutes. Double figures the last two games.
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Staying solid with two in the top 10...
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-november-27-2024-edition
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-november-27-2024-edition
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Wow, Memphis knows how to draft/Identify talent
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Yeah... Cam Spencer was one reason I didn't want to give up the #51 pick....
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I succumbed to the group-think consensus that we had to take Starr if he was there, but my heart at gut said we should have taken Rob, Starr may pan out at a rotational player..maybe, but Rob is going to be an all-star eventually, he just isn’t getting the PT yet.
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Staying solid with two in the top 10.
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-december-4-2024-edition
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-december-4-2024-edition
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Gotta show some love for my guy Castle. Still convinced that he'll be one of the top 2-3 players to come out of the 2024 draft.
This is from the latest Kia Rookie Ladder report:
This is from the latest Kia Rookie Ladder report:
2. Stephon Castle, San Antonio Spurs
Season stats: 12.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.8 apg
Last Ladder: No. 2
Draft pick: No. 4
Castle could just as easily be ranked 1A on this week’s ladder after a week in which he averaged 16.3 points with five assists and two steals per game. He has scored in double figures in 15 of the past 16 games, during which his shooting bubbled up above 40% overall and 31% from the arc. Meanwhile, it’s his hard-nosed defensive work and growing connectivity with Wembanyama that has the Spurs excited. San Antonio is a nice 4.2 points per 100 possessions better when Castle is on the court, though not quite Wemby (+12.4) or Chris Paul (+10.3).
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-december-11-2024-edition?lid=v2cj5pxszaoj&cid=nba:dynpage:own:email:daily:link:eg:nl:eng:t-crm:US:en:20241212:DAILY_NEWSLETTER:THE_ZONE:&lctg=634db3000c6c780a645e36ed
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I watched a vid last night re what the redraft of 2024 might look like.
The guy had McLain and Castle at 1-2. Sarr barely made the top 10.
Kyshawn was not discussed. Bub got some love.
The guy had McLain and Castle at 1-2. Sarr barely made the top 10.
Kyshawn was not discussed. Bub got some love.
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dobrojim wrote:I watched a vid last night re what the redraft of 2024 might look like. The guy had McLain and Castle at 1-2. Sarr barely made the top 10. Kyshawn was not discussed. Bub got some love.
Yep, two in the top 10. Not bad - not good.
https://www.nba.com/news/kia-rookie-ladder-december-11-2024-edition
Of all the Cs on the list of Rookies - in order I still like Donovan Clingan then Zach Edey then Yves Missi then Sarr. Then again, if Sarr works out as a PF - it isn't relevant.
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dobrojim wrote:I watched a vid last night re what the redraft of 2024 might look like.
The guy had McLain and Castle at 1-2. Sarr barely made the top 10.
Kyshawn was not discussed. Bub got some love.
This video?