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I just checked NBAdraft.net which i haven't followed much the last few years. The thing that stood out with their mock was the center rankings:

8 Sorber
10 Queen
23 Maluach

I'm not sure where to put this but since he would have been in the 2026 draft but:

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Tre's off ball scoring is similar to Klay. He can make movement 3s moving either direction. He can also score off the dribble. He can score on post ups (actually shot 60% on these).

A freshman who leads the strongest conference in history in scoring wont translate?

There were multiple telecasts that mentioned the coaching staff had to monitor his practice to keep him from working too hard.

You clearly didn't watch any of his games.

This is why I love the draft. We'll be able to come back to this. The 'strongest conference in history." So amazing. Derik Queen put up 27 against Florida and was 8/17. In his last 4 games SEC tourney and NCAA tourney Tre Johnson was 6-19, 8/21, 3/8 and 6/14. Big moments got to have it games. The next great NBA guard was super inefficient. But that doesn't even do it justice. Because in those same games Tre Johnsons shot well from 3. From 2 Tre Johnson was 2/7, 2/5, 4/12 and 3/9. It's not even a question about Tre Johnson working hard. With how bad Tre Johnson is inside the paint, I think you have to wonder why any team would even give him the opportunity to dominate the ball. It's only going to get harder in the NBA. He lead the league in scoring because he dominated the ball and bombed 3's. Not because he's a good 3-level scorer. Please take off the rose colored glasses. 6'6 190 is big in college. It's average in the NBA. Maybe he can become Klay Thompson but does he want to be a #2 or does he want to be a #1? Like I said I'd pass. You might see star upside but he has a very long way to go. I would draft him over Kasparas but everyone else in that range it's a no for me. And if I were to draft him I'd explain that to start he's only going to be 3 and D and he will need to earn shot attempts outside of that. No one in the NBA will put up with ball dominant inefficiency like he was doing at Texas.

On a good college team, his 2 point shots would be divided by 3 or 4. And then you'd see him for who he is. A 3-point shooter who needs to drastically improve the rest of his offensive game.

prime1time wrote:

Tre's off ball scoring is similar to Klay. He can make movement 3s moving either direction. He can also score off the dribble. He can score on post ups (actually shot 60% on these).

A freshman who leads the strongest conference in history in scoring wont translate?

There were multiple telecasts that mentioned the coaching staff had to monitor his practice to keep him from working too hard.

You clearly didn't watch any of his games.

This is why I love the draft. We'll be able to come back to this. The 'strongest conference in history." So amazing. Derik Queen put up 27 against Florida and was 8/17. In his last 4 games SEC tourney and NCAA tourney Tre Johnson was 6-19, 8/21, 3/8 and 6/14. Big moments got to have it games. The next great NBA guard was super inefficient. But that doesn't even do it justice. Because in those same games Tre Johnsons shot well from 3. From 2 Tre Johnson was 2/7, 2/5, 4/12 and 3/9. It's not even a question about Tre Johnson working hard. With how bad Tre Johnson is inside the paint, I think you have to wonder why any team would even give him the opportunity to dominate the ball. It's only going to get harder in the NBA. He lead the league in scoring because he dominated the ball and bombed 3's. Not because he's a good 3-level scorer. Please take off the rose colored glasses. 6'6 190 is big in college. It's average in the NBA. Maybe he can become Klay Thompson but does he want to be a #2 or does he want to be a #1? Like I said I'd pass. You might see star upside but he has a very long way to go. I would draft him over Kasparas but everyone else in that range it's a no for me. And if I were to draft him I'd explain that to start he's only going to be 3 and D and he will need to earn shot attempts outside of that. No one in the NBA will put up with ball dominant inefficiency like he was doing at Texas.

On a good college team, his 2 point shots would be divided by 3 or 4. And then you'd see him for who he is. A 3-point shooter who needs to drastically improve the rest of his offensive game.

It is hilarious about you pointing to Tre's struggles inside when Bub is one of the worst guards Ive ever seen at scoring inside. Bub averaged only one FTA per game this year.

Tre was always the focus of the opposing team. His team had poor spacing so he didn't have much room to operate inside. You would know that if you had actually watched any games. I know you didn't even watch the vid on his playmaking which i posted not once but twice.

Not only did Tre lead the SEC in scoring but he also led the SEC in minutes played. Obviously by the end of the season fatigue was probably an issue, especially playing 3 games in 4 nights.

Tre's TS was higher than Bub's on higher volume against tougher competition. You just don't know what you are talking about.

prime1time wrote:This is why I love the draft. We'll be able to come back to this. The 'strongest conference in history." So amazing. Derik Queen put up 27 against Florida and was 8/17. In his last 4 games SEC tourney and NCAA tourney Tre Johnson was 6-19, 8/21, 3/8 and 6/14. Big moments got to have it games. The next great NBA guard was super inefficient. But that doesn't even do it justice. Because in those same games Tre Johnsons shot well from 3. From 2 Tre Johnson was 2/7, 2/5, 4/12 and 3/9. It's not even a question about Tre Johnson working hard. With how bad Tre Johnson is inside the paint, I think you have to wonder why any team would even give him the opportunity to dominate the ball. It's only going to get harder in the NBA. He lead the league in scoring because he dominated the ball and bombed 3's.

Johnson is not going to be allowed to dominate the ball in the NBA (at least not initially), which is exactly the point I was trying make in a previous post. That’s why his college efficiency numbers are meaningless, imo.

He’s also going to be surrounded by better players in the NBA than he was at Texas…which means that he’ll draw less defensive attention.

The place you start in evaluating a player is with his overall numbers. Tre Johnson's Freshman numbers weren't very good. Period.

Bub Carrington's numbers weren't anything special either, btw. Better than Johnson's overall, to be sure, but not great. Then again Bub didn't go at the top of the draft.

thoughts and prayers for Gil's son, was in a car accident and in an induced coma.

DCZards wrote:

prime1time wrote:This is why I love the draft. We'll be able to come back to this. The 'strongest conference in history." So amazing. Derik Queen put up 27 against Florida and was 8/17. In his last 4 games SEC tourney and NCAA tourney Tre Johnson was 6-19, 8/21, 3/8 and 6/14. Big moments got to have it games. The next great NBA guard was super inefficient. But that doesn't even do it justice. Because in those same games Tre Johnsons shot well from 3. From 2 Tre Johnson was 2/7, 2/5, 4/12 and 3/9. It's not even a question about Tre Johnson working hard. With how bad Tre Johnson is inside the paint, I think you have to wonder why any team would even give him the opportunity to dominate the ball. It's only going to get harder in the NBA. He lead the league in scoring because he dominated the ball and bombed 3's.

Johnson is not going to be allowed to dominate the ball in the NBA (at least not initially), which is exactly the point I was trying make in a previous post. That’s why his college efficiency numbers are meaningless, imo.

He’s also going to be surrounded by better players in the NBA than he was at Texas…which means that he’ll draw less defensive attention.

There are criticisms about Tre that are legit. His rebounding is weak and his defensive effort at times wasn't good.

But if you watched the games you can see what is going on with his scoring. He tried to play hero ball at times because they would definitely lose if he didn't. He wasn't going down quietly, and several times that hero ball paid off in wins.

His playmaking ability is actually pretty good but many times his teammates just didn't convert the easy opportunities he created.

But i don't expect him to play that way in the pros. I expect a mix of on/off ball, and i would say his off ball game is elite. He took all kinds of 3s and still shot 40%. Dribbling a lot ala Brunson isn't his game but he was basically forced to play that way at times.

payitforward wrote:Bub's ceiling bit from the prior thread.....

Just in addressing your statement a few pages back in the other thread about ceilings, my point talking about the guys on the roster going into the draft, w/regards to ceiling was simply "my opinion".

I have no idea what Bub can be, the biggest issue w/his game is related to his massive growth spurt between age 16 and 19 (grew around 9 or 10 inches between junior year in high school and last summer), and how it relates to his heavy reluctance to go inside. He played his entire life until around 2022 as the shortest or one of the shortest dudes on the court, so he habituated to "jumpers and the 3 ball". Now maybe it's so hard wired, it just is, but I see no reason why he couldn't simply priortize going inside the next two offseasons, to improve that piece of his game. If he signifigantly improves there without losing his 3 ball, he jumps a tier or two in upside.

But right here, right now, looking at his ceiling, I have to say what I expect, which is either no change, or minimal change, since this has never been a part of his game. I think I could be totally wrong, I'd give a 25-40% chance at that, but for now, I can see more easily how Sarr could become great, than Bub, because Sarr's issues, to me anyway, are more about practice, and reps, whereas Bub also has to change his mind set, and reframe how he saw the game from 2011 to 2021 or so. So for me anyway, Sarr jumping a bit higher is easier to imagine. But I totally think they both can, I'd just be more likely to bet that Bub nails his floor potential and improves it, while Sarr, if some good things happen, can grow significantly more. He's just more projectable in terms of ceiling for me, but again, it's just opinion, and I'm not married to it, I'm merely letting it remind me that I shouldn't let the presence of Bub, or even Sarr, dictate anything at all in this draft with our first, or in '26 (and probably not with 18 either).

tontoz wrote:I just checked NBAdraft.net which i haven't followed much the last few years. The thing that stood out with their mock was the center rankings:

8 Sorber
10 Queen
23 Maluach

I have often wondered who the hell runs this site, which is a major NBA draft site, but the mocks are wacky, and the draft order is not always up-to-date.

DP

closg00 wrote:

tontoz wrote:I just checked NBAdraft.net which i haven't followed much the last few years. The thing that stood out with their mock was the center rankings:

8 Sorber
10 Queen
23 Maluach

I have often wondered who the hell runs this site, which is a major NBA draft site, but the mocks are wacky, and the draft order is not always up-to-date.

Yeah that is why i stopped following it. Looks like there isn't much effort going into it most of the year but with the draft getting close i decided to check in.

Silvie Lysandra wrote:I'm not sure where to put this but since he would have been in the 2026 draft but:

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I made a thread of this. Mods can do away with it or include the links in this thread.

tontoz wrote:

closg00 wrote:

tontoz wrote:I just checked NBAdraft.net which i haven't followed much the last few years. The thing that stood out with their mock was the center rankings:

8 Sorber
10 Queen
23 Maluach

I have often wondered who the hell runs this site, which is a major NBA draft site, but the mocks are wacky, and the draft order is not always up-to-date.

Yeah that is why i stopped following it. Looks like there isn't much effort going into it most of the year but with the draft getting close i decided to check in.

I tend to look at these two consensus mock draft aggregators to get a sense of how the market evaluates the players.

https://nbadraftnetwork.com/consensus-big-board (5 mocks currently)
https://www.rookiescale.com/2025-consensus-board/ (14+ mocks currently)

Also The Ringer is interestingly quirky in how they rate players.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
They have Queen at 7 and Maluach at 8.

doclinkin wrote:
I tend to look at these two consensus mock draft aggregators to get a sense of how the market evaluates the players.

https://nbadraftnetwork.com/consensus-big-board (5 mocks currently)
https://www.rookiescale.com/2025-consensus-board/ (14+ mocks currently)

Also The Ringer is generally pretty close to how things shake out.
https://nbadraft.theringer.com/
They have Queen at 7 and Maluach at 8.

Both of those sites have the same guys in the top 5 that I have seen several other places, the same guys several here have posted including me.

Carter Bryant is all over the place, 6th at the ringer, 25 at tankathon.

Reminder the lottery is Monday May 12. Either a great day in Wizards history or a day that will live in infamy.

Watching Pistons vs Knicks battle it out. Playoff basketball is often physical, trench warfare, we need some grown-ass men, especially in the front court.

closg00 wrote:Watching Pistons vs Knicks battle it out. Playoff basketball is often physical, trench warfare, we need some grown-ass men, especially in the front court.

Yeah there should be some good options at 18 for a big forward or hopefully Sorber.

Flagg and Harper can certainly play bully ball even at such a young age.