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AFM wrote:We need a separate Derik Queen thread....

Chocolate City Jordanaire wrote:...If he were a Euro named Queenovic, they would love him.

We've already given 120 pages to a guy who's not a Wizard. Why not have a thread to follow another guy who a contingent among us thinks absolutely should have been a Wizard.

Is it true? Should we have taken Queen?

He's had a helluva start to his NBA career -- that cannot be denied. & -- relevant to this thread -- a whole lot better than Tre Johnson!

Perfect timing for the SHOULDBEAWIZARD BOWL tonight -- DENI vs DERIK

You know, I've heard the "lazy" stuff before. Sometimes kids just don't kick it into high gear until they're being paid real money. It's just the way it is with some people. And watching him play, that vacant expression is his mind being in a place where he can visualize what he wants to have happen. It's not laziness. People try to get up in his face and throw him off and he's just in his own little world where he can't be touched. That's not lazy. That's a talent he has. People have to stop projecting their own excuses for not making it into the show on other people.

I'm on the Queen bus. Had no idea who he was a few weeks ago. FWIW, he looks amazing now.

Should add a poll: Who's going to be more insufferable in 2026?

- CntOutSmrtCrazy in the Deni thread
- CCJ in this thread

I can be more insufferable than both

I'm eating collard greens and black-eyed peas all up in this thread. To be served with a DQ Blizzard for desert from the ice box. I had hundreds of them frozen and saved by the draft.

One DQ Blizzard for each, "I told you so".

AFM had a trademark slogan and T-shirts.

We need to have repost of all the haters before draft on queen when I shouted out loud he should be picked 5th.

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Post#160 » Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:13 pm
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WizarDynasty wrote:

TGW wrote:
I don’t understand pthe Queen hate. If they’re going to go all offense/little to no defense, they should take Queen over Tre Johnson all day everyday. Queen is a supremely gifted player as a big man. I wouldn’t take him at 6, but in a trade down scenario absolutely.

Wizardynasty


I would absolutely take him at number 6. Offensive Bigmen like him are available once every 15 years. Guards are a dime a dozen, especially guards that don't play above the rim.

CCJ
I would also take Queen at 6. However, since I know the Wizards will not, I hope the Spurs draft him at 10.

It will work out much better for Derik to be a Spur

OKC is the best team in the league because they excel at defense and shooting, and we are supposed to draft a guy at 6 that does neither?

tontoz wrote:OKC is the best team in the league because they excel at defense and shooting, and we are supposed to draft a guy at 6 that does neither?

Who's the second best team?

AFM wrote:

tontoz wrote:OKC is the best team in the league because they excel at defense and shooting, and we are supposed to draft a guy at 6 that does neither?

Who's the second best team?

The team with a 7 foot center that can shoot well from everywhere. Queen isn't 7 feet and he cant shoot.

AFM wrote:I can be more insufferable than both

& I can be more insufferable than you -- way more!

But...

payitforward wrote:

AFM wrote:I can be more insufferable than both

& I can be more insufferable than you -- way more!

But...

Spoiler:

Doc can be more insufferable than the two of us put together! I mean... if he wants to be.

Zach Edey debate revisited coming soon.

tontoz wrote:

AFM wrote:

tontoz wrote:OKC is the best team in the league because they excel at defense and shooting, and we are supposed to draft a guy at 6 that does neither?

Who's the second best team?

The team with a 7 foot center that can shoot well from everywhere. Queen isn't 7 feet and he cant shoot.

Jokic also had a similar defensive reel to Queen even in 2018 though. So there is a good chance at improvement but Queen will have to put in the work much like the heavier guys have Lowry, Jokic, and Luka.

Kanyewest wrote:

tontoz wrote:

AFM wrote:
Who's the second best team?

The team with a 7 foot center that can shoot well from everywhere. Queen isn't 7 feet and he cant shoot.

Jokic also had a similar defensive reel to Queen even in 2018 though. So there is a good chance at improvement but Queen will have to put in the work much like the heavier guys have Lowry, Jokic, and Luka.

Joker has better length than Queen and is arguably the best offensive player of all time. Even with that they couldn't get to the finals until he got in shape, committed to defense and got Aaron Gordon next to him.

tontoz wrote:

Kanyewest wrote:

tontoz wrote:

The team with a 7 foot center that can shoot well from everywhere. Queen isn't 7 feet and he cant shoot.

Jokic also had a similar defensive reel to Queen even in 2018 though. So there is a good chance at improvement but Queen will have to put in the work much like the heavier guys have Lowry, Jokic, and Luka.

Joker has better length than Queen and is arguably the best offensive player of all time. Even with that they couldn't get to the finals until he got in shape, committed to defense and got Aaron Gordon next to him.

Yeah he got into shape. Still seemed like finals caliber player in the 2020 bubble though even without Gordon (they got to the conference finals). They did have Jerami Grant and Millsap.

Kanyewest wrote:

payitforward wrote:

AFM wrote:I can be more insufferable than both

& I can be more insufferable than you -- way more!

But...

Spoiler:

Doc can be more insufferable than the two of us put together! I mean... if he wants to be.

Zach Edey debate revisited coming soon.

What debate, there trade down discussions? Zach had many supporters here.

The process for getting Queen was terrible. They should have been able to pair Queen with an elite player in this draft. With that being said, Queen might end up being the best player in either draft. So it's irrelevant.



Queen could lead the league in assists. Even without a great jumper he's a menace. If the 3-point shot develops and you have to guard him out to the 3-point line, teams will find it very hard to stop him. Imo, the Sengun comparisons are not good because he's so slow.

Watching Queen play it's hard not to feel robbed as a Maryland fan. Queen should have been our pg last year. At the very least he should have ran pg for substantial parts of the season. If that happened he would have been drafted, at the very least, top 3 overall. I would have considered drafting him first. Queen generates too many easy looks by lifitng the opposing teams center away from the basket and then just making pass after pass for easy scores. Queen is a good enough passer to lead the league in assists. Look at Trey Murphy's numbers.
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Imo, this is a Derik Queen effect and you're going to see it through out his career. Queen will make his teammates better. Even the Jokic comparisons don't really work because Queen has a level of quickness and suddeness that Jokic simply doesn't have.

Imo, Queen is basically a hybrid of Magic and Jokic. Not as strong as Jokic and not as fast/quick as Magic but somewhere in between. Time will tell if he has the competitive desire to be great but it's silly to talk about the pick that was given up. I like players in 2026 as of today I'm taking Queen over all of them. And there isn't a player in 2025 I'd take over Queen. The last player I'd take over Queen is Wemby and there's not a player in NBA history that I'd take over Wemby. if New Orleans can get some talent and Queen, it's going to be special.