Why Agent Zero Must Go...

[llcc25]

Its clear that Gil's time here in DC is up. His latest antics of not informing his coach and the team that he wasn't going to play in tonight's game and for the season, but rather the media informing the coach just before gametime is a joke. Clearly unprofessional, especially when you're talking about this being the playoffs in a do or die game. Quite frankly, I'm glad he didn's suit up b/c we probably would've lost. Its clear that the star of this team is Caron. This whole year has proven that we are a better TEAM without Gil in the lineup. Even in this playoff series, whenever Gil has been in the game, there hasn't been the same flow to the offense. The fact of the matter is Gil does not fit well into this Princeton offense. He doesn't get players like Songala, Mason, Daniels, and Stevenson involved like Caron does.

IF I were Ernie, I'd see what my alternatives are in trying to trade Arenas and possibly get a new pg...Lets cut our losses short on Arenas and avoid giving him the max money that he will be looking for. There's only one guy deserving of that on the Wiz and that's Caron

[queridiculo]

*crickets*

[tmz3000]

dude is totally right

when Arenas is around he gets the whole team out of whack... guy just thinks about himself...

fine Arenas is the best player in Wiz history... Iverson is the best in 76ers history... and he's out of the playoffs before Iguodala

As soon as I heard he was hurt, I knew the Wiz would win, sad but true

[miller31time]

dude is totally right

when Arenas is around he gets the whole team out of whack... guy just thinks about himself...

fine Arenas is the best player in Wiz history... Iverson is the best in 76ers history... and he's out of the playoffs before Iguodala

As soon as I heard he was hurt, I knew the Wiz would win, sad but true

I think you're confusing the current Arenas with a healthy Arenas.

Give the 06-07 Arenas the 07-08 Wizards squad and we win 50+ games and our division.

[RickRoll_inDC]

let's see.....a thread started by a scout with an approval of a ballboy (no offense, i'm sure you know your stuff, but you don't quite have credibility just yet)

Like Miller said, a healthy Arenas+the current team would be dominant, and frankly, this series may already be over.

I recall a thread about "Are the Wizards better off w/o Gil?"
I think we completely man-handled that theory by the end of the first page.

[newslowsad]

Under Eddie, we are better without Gil.
Under a coach that can harness and mold Gil into an even better player, we are better with him.

[tyrissius]

hinrich + gooden for senior 0

[miller31time]

hinrich + gooden for senior 0

Hinrich AND Gooden? You're too generous. Let us at least compensate with a 1st rounder.

[WizBiz]

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Hinrich AND Gooden? You're too generous. Let us at least compensate with a 1st rounder.

Wait, let's make it 3 first rounders...unprotected.

[Donkey McDonkerton]

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I think you're confusing the current Arenas with a healthy Arenas.

Give the 06-07 Arenas the 07-08 Wizards squad and we win 50+ games and our division.

QFT, end the thread.

[JWizmentality]

...and he cheats at Halo. The fuggin Bastard!!!!

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Under Eddie, we are better without Gil.
Under a coach that can harness and mold Gil into an even better player, we are better with him.

I believe this.

However, even with Gil when everyone was healthy in the 2006-2007 season the Wizards went 23-7 over 40% of the season. That's a 60-win pace.

I think a healthy Gil and a more structured, demanding coach would be the best mix.

As it is, EJ's a better coach when AD's running the offense.

[fishercob]

It's a good thing that Eddie Jordan is an adult, and not like all the "this is the last straw!" morons. Gil decided when he decided. What difference does it actually make how EJ finds out? Like everything else presented to him this year, Eddie took it in stride and moved on and didn't get his panties in a bunch.

[Spence]

I think you're confusing the current Arenas with a healthy Arenas.

Give the 06-07 Arenas the 07-08 Wizards squad and we win 50+ games and our division.

This is so obviously correct. Why in the world is it so difficult for people to understand? We haven't seen a healthy Gil since more than 1 calendar year ago. When we see that guy again, the Bullets are going to be rough.

[hands11]

Under Eddie, we are better without Gil.
Under a coach that can harness and mold Gil into an even better player, we are better with him.

It kind of comes down to that doesn't it.

EJ has shown and admitted that it's not his style to lead the players. He thinks they need to figure it out themselves.

EJ needs players like CB, AJ, AD, RM

But while CB is the clear leader of this team and has been all year, there is still a chance that we can get it done with GA also. I just depends on GA. Can he change enough to make it work with CB being the main man.

1 and 1B

GA doesn't have to be CBs bitch, but this team does need to be lead by CB

If we can get GA to stay in his contract or just get him a new one starting at the same money he would make next year, then I would start the season with him and see how it goes. You could always move him before the trade deadline or the next offseason. We have to get him to play out this contract or sign him if we are going to get anything for him.

As bad as things look with GA fitting in right now, it's not the time to go our separate ways.

[Brenice]

How soon we forget! Be careful what you wish for, you might get it. So-called fans and media seem to say the opposite of what the team say. The fact is, there are times where players HAVE to take over games. Arenas will and is capable. Butler seems reluctant. (Why did Butler wait til the Wiz were facing elimination to attack the defense instead of settling for jumpers. Don't blame Gil, the first 2 games Daniels was starting and he wasn't doing it when Gil was on the bench. Don't blame Gil, for people getting WIDE WIDE open jumpers in the last 5 minutes of game 1 I think, and missing. Gil was doing the same thing LeBron does, penetrate, draw the defense, and dish to the open man, but Delonte West made his shots, and 2 years ago, Damon Jones shot a dagger. The funny thing is, Stevenson, Jamison, Butler, and whoever else were soooo wide open that they could lick there finger and check the wind before shooting, and missed pretty much all of them in that game. And, they did not have to settle for 3's. They had driving lanes that were set up by gil's penetration on 1 leg. That of course is Gil's fault.

[Ced67]

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I think you're confusing the current Arenas with a healthy Arenas.

Give the 06-07 Arenas the 07-08 Wizards squad and we win 50+ games and our division.

i disagree, I think the identity of this team has completly changed and if Gil is our best player again it will change back, Eddie Jordan said something a while back, maybe lest year some time. He said a team takes on the personality of its best player and with Caron as our best player we have become a team that executes offensively scraps defensivly and stays focused all game fo the most part. With Gil as our best player we become a team that can lose its focus, get out of rythm offensively and that doesnt play a lot of defense. I like the team with Caron as a leader because although we may not score as many points, we will also pretty much be in every game. I havent gone back and checked, but how many times where we completely blown out in a game with Gil out?

[Wizardspride]

How soon we forget! Be careful what you wish for, you might get it. So-called fans and media seem to say the opposite of what the team say. The fact is, there are times where players HAVE to take over games. Arenas will and is capable. Butler seems reluctant. (Why did Butler wait til the Wiz were facing elimination to attack the defense instead of settling for jumpers. Don't blame Gil, the first 2 games Daniels was starting and he wasn't doing it when Gil was on the bench. Don't blame Gil, for people getting WIDE WIDE open jumpers in the last 5 minutes of game 1 I think, and missing. Gil was doing the same thing LeBron does, penetrate, draw the defense, and dish to the open man, but Delonte West made his shots, and 2 years ago, Damon Jones shot a dagger. The funny thing is, Stevenson, Jamison, Butler, and whoever else were soooo wide open that they could lick there finger and check the wind before shooting, and missed pretty much all of them in that game. And, they did not have to settle for 3's. They had driving lanes that were set up by gil's penetration on 1 leg. That of course is Gil's fault.

I couldn't have said it better myself.

This is the rationale I've been using with many
Gilbert-bashers as well.

[Ced67]

How soon we forget! Be careful what you wish for, you might get it. So-called fans and media seem to say the opposite of what the team say. The fact is, there are times where players HAVE to take over games. Arenas will and is capable. Butler seems reluctant. .

Butler seemed reluctant because Gil was on the floor at times. Did you see how much confidence he had in his shot to start the game. He got into a rythm. IF Gil was out there he wouldn't have had those shots. The fact it that for 69 games with Gil out he played a certain way, he seemed comfortable. Will Gil in he seemed uncomfortable about what his role actually was. I am not blaming Gil, but its obvious to see that Butler was better when he was the guy than when he wasn't. Its a completely legitimate argument to say that Gil was a big reason why Butler's play changed so drastically. 69 regualr season games and a playoff game is a pretty good test sample to come to a conclusion. And its not just Caron, Roger Mason had a career year as well as Haywood. This is norma, look what happened when either Caron or Jamison was out? Andray Blatche started and averaged like 14 and 7. The only difference with Caron is I think this team is better when he's the guy.

[Dat2U]

How soon we forget! Be careful what you wish for, you might get it. So-called fans and media seem to say the opposite of what the team say. The fact is, there are times where players HAVE to take over games. Arenas will and is capable. Butler seems reluctant. (Why did Butler wait til the Wiz were facing elimination to attack the defense instead of settling for jumpers. Don't blame Gil, the first 2 games Daniels was starting and he wasn't doing it when Gil was on the bench. Don't blame Gil, for people getting WIDE WIDE open jumpers in the last 5 minutes of game 1 I think, and missing. Gil was doing the same thing LeBron does, penetrate, draw the defense, and dish to the open man, but Delonte West made his shots, and 2 years ago, Damon Jones shot a dagger. The funny thing is, Stevenson, Jamison, Butler, and whoever else were soooo wide open that they could lick there finger and check the wind before shooting, and missed pretty much all of them in that game. And, they did not have to settle for 3's. They had driving lanes that were set up by gil's penetration on 1 leg. That of course is Gil's fault.

Best post in the entire thread, by far....